Hey Assange, All Your Source Are Belong to US!

[UNCjigga]

US Intelligence says they've identified go-betweens for Russia and Wikileaks.Now isn't that interesting...


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[FIVR]

Who would believe 17 "intelligence" agencies when they can believe in an Australian hacktivist trapped in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London? Assange is hero of American Union who would never lie. But nice try.

 

[TheVrolok]

These are the same people who told us there were WMDs in Iraq! Duh!

 

[IronWing]

These are the same people who told us there were WMDs in Iraq! Duh!

And that eggs were bad for us!

 

[Tequila]

So let me get this straight. The story says

Included in that new information were intercepted conversations of Russian officials expressing happiness at Trump's win. Another official described some of the messages as congratulatory.

But then says

Officials reiterated that there is no single intercepted communication that qualifies as a "smoking gun" on Russia's intention to benefit Trump's candidacy or to claim credit for doing so.

Uh ok, such solid proof.

 

[Jaskalas]

Name them and their connections.
After they are in custody.

If the claims are real, then it is our duty to see those responsible captured, charged, and tried while their actions are brought to light.

 

[Jhhnn]

These are the same people who told us there were WMDs in Iraq! Duh!

No, That's what the Bush Admin told us.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Ultra secret Moscow memo, "Soviet sleeper agent wins American Presidential ELECTION!" "Our Boy is Their Boy. OH BOSCH" Wikileaks has doubts of authenticity.
Trump tweets, "I STILL MAKE THE BESTEST PRESIDENT!!"

 

[Double Trouble]

So let me get this straight. The story says

Included in that new information were intercepted conversations of Russian officials expressing happiness at Trump's win. Another official described some of the messages as congratulatory.

But then says

Officials reiterated that there is no single intercepted communication that qualifies as a "smoking gun" on Russia's intention to benefit Trump's candidacy or to claim credit for doing so.

Uh ok, such solid proof.

Ouch.

We hear all the time about the intelligence community being certain about this and united in their assessment. I hope they provide something to back up the claims at some point, because to this point I've seen nothing even remotely compelling.

 

[agent00f]

Ouch.

We hear all the time about the intelligence community being certain about this and united in their assessment. I hope they provide something to back up the claims at some point, because to this point I've seen nothing even remotely compelling.

Let's not pretend people with a vested interest in not appearing russian stooges will ever admit they'll do anything for a trump win.

 

[TheVrolok]

No, That's what the Bush Admin told us.

 

[dank69]

Name them and their connections.
After they are in custody.

If the claims are real, then it is our duty to see those responsible captured, charged, and tried while their actions are brought to light.

IANAL but I don't think our laws apply to Russians or any other country.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So let me get this straight. The story says

Included in that new information were intercepted conversations of Russian officials expressing happiness at Trump's win. Another official described some of the messages as congratulatory.

But then says

Officials reiterated that there is no single intercepted communication that qualifies as a "smoking gun" on Russia's intention to benefit Trump's candidacy or to claim credit for doing so.

Uh ok, such solid proof.

Yes. What they are saying is we know they did it. We can show how they did it. We can even, in some cases, identify people directly involved. What they can't show with 100% proof is why they did it. But their role is to identify the method, not the reason.

It's pretty simple

 

[Jaskalas]

IANAL but I don't think our laws apply to Russians or any other country.

Yes, that would be interesting if there was zero American involvement, aside from the media promotion.
Still, international crimes are not a new concept. Surely there's a process in place to give us some form of response.
Even if it's as little as asking the host country to arrest the criminals. And economic action should they refuse.

 

[Tequila]

Yes. What they are saying is we know they did it. We can show how they did it. We can even, in some cases, identify people directly involved. What they can't show with 100% proof is why they did it. But their role is to identify the method, not the reason.

It's pretty simple

There's nothing simple about any of this. Some good quotes from http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/did-russia-tamper-with-the-2016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/

Sadly, the JAR, as the Joint Analysis Report is called, does little to end the debate. Instead of providing smoking guns that the Russian government was behind specific hacks, it largely restates previous private-sector claims without providing any support for their validity. Even worse, it provides an effective bait and switch by promising newly declassified intelligence into Russian hackers' "tradecraft and techniques" and instead delivering generic methods carried out by just about all state-sponsored hacking groups.

A lot of this based on claims that Russia-sponsored hackers relied on a sophisticated X-agent implant from the cyber-espionage group APT28, the same malware that was used to hack German and French TV stations. APT28 aka FancyBear, TsarTeam, Sednit, wtfelseyouwannacallit is a group that has been around since 2004.

Quoting from Ars again:

Proponents of this theory, including the CrowdStrike researchers who analyzed the Democratic National Committee's hacked network, argue that the pattern strongly implicates Russia because no other actor would have the combined motivation and resources to hack the same targets

But independent researchers ESET http://www.welivesecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/eset-sednit-part-2.pdf were able to obtain the same X-Agent hack source code.
In other words from Ars:

"If ESET could do it, so can others," Carr wrote. "It is both foolish and baseless to claim, as CrowdStrike does, that X-Agent is used solely by the Russian government when the source code is there for anyone to find and use at will."

Sure there is a chance it was Russia, I'm sure not putting it past them, however the IC isn't doing a very good job of convincing me that it was definitely Russia. Our IC has a long history of making mistakes and using smoke&mirrors to hide the real truth. There could easily be a 3rd party involved here but our IC doesn't want to admit the DNC got phished by a lone hacker so they turn to the convenient excuse "It has got to be Russia"

 

[agent00f]

There's nothing simple about any of this. Some good quotes from http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/did-russia-tamper-with-the-2016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/

Sadly, the JAR, as the Joint Analysis Report is called, does little to end the debate. Instead of providing smoking guns that the Russian government was behind specific hacks, it largely restates previous private-sector claims without providing any support for their validity. Even worse, it provides an effective bait and switch by promising newly declassified intelligence into Russian hackers' "tradecraft and techniques" and instead delivering generic methods carried out by just about all state-sponsored hacking groups.

A lot of this based on claims that Russia-sponsored hackers relied on a sophisticated X-agent implant from the cyber-espionage group APT28, the same malware that was used to hack German and French TV stations. APT28 aka FancyBear, TsarTeam, Sednit, wtfelseyouwannacallit is a group that has been around since 2004.

Quoting from Ars again:

Proponents of this theory, including the CrowdStrike researchers who analyzed the Democratic National Committee's hacked network, argue that the pattern strongly implicates Russia because no other actor would have the combined motivation and resources to hack the same targets

But independent researchers ESET http://www.welivesecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/eset-sednit-part-2.pdf were able to obtain the same X-Agent hack source code.
In other words from Ars:

"If ESET could do it, so can others," Carr wrote. "It is both foolish and baseless to claim, as CrowdStrike does, that X-Agent is used solely by the Russian government when the source code is there for anyone to find and use at will."

Sure there is a chance it was Russia, I'm sure not putting it past them, however the IC isn't doing a very good job of convincing me that it was definitely Russia. Our IC has a long history of making mistakes and using smoke&mirrors to hide the real truth. There could easily be a 3rd party involved here but our IC doesn't want to admit the DNC got phished by a lone hacker so they turn to the convenient excuse "It has got to be Russia"

It's really too bad your crowd will never understand how computers or anything works well enough to grasp FancyBear literally used the same redirect account for its phishing: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/ho...john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts

So either this was some enormously elaborate scheme to frame them planned years in advance, or it really was the russians that all signs point to.

 

[Roflmouth]

It's really too bad your crowd will never understand how computers or anything works well enough to grasp FancyBear literally used the same redirect account for its phishing: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/ho...john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts

So either this was some enormously elaborate scheme to frame them planned years in advance, or it really was the russians that all signs point to.

"All signs" don't point to Russians, despite your worst nightmares, liar. Better luck next time.

 

[agent00f]

"All signs" don't point to Russians, despite your worst nightmares, liar. Better luck next time.

Great job living up to the american conservative stereotype.

 

[alien42]

"All signs" don't point to Russians, despite your worst nightmares, liar. Better luck next time.

how does it feel to be a traitor to the United States of America.

 

[agent00f]

how does it feel to be a traitor to the United States of America.

In his defense, by his thinking the russians are mostly pretty white.

 

[Roflmouth]

how does it feel to be a traitor to the United States of America.

How does it feel to be a completely unironic McCarthyite?

 

[agent00f]

How does it feel to be a completely unironic McCarthyite?

If they had any moral principle your anti-commie friends would indict themselves, but no such luck.

 

[alien42]

How does it feel to be a completely unironic McCarthyite?

i truly hope that someday you will see reality through the fog of your own denial.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Let's assume that it was Russia (could have been, but we haven't been presented with anything laying out the fact that it definitely was), what now? Sanctions? War? Not invited to our birthday party? What should our next steps be?

Influencing our election is serious no question about it, but nothing that was leaked was false. They didn't insert stuff about passing questions to Hillary and rigging the primaries in her favor into otherwise mundane emails about staff meetings and pizza parties. What was leaked was true, and we the voting American public were better off being informed of the behind the scenes going ons. I'd have loved it if the RNC was hacked/leaked as well, but thus is life.

Again, the true source of all of this is Hillary, Podesta, DWS, and the like. And again I wish the media would be more clear on what hacks/leaks they are referring to. Saying it was Russia as a blanket statement for all of the hacks/leaks might be incorrect as there were multiple hacks/leaks that happened during the election season and they all tend to be lumped together but shouldn't be.

 

[agent00f]

i truly hope that someday you will see reality through the fog of your own denial.

People like that are proud of what they are.

Let's assume that it was Russia (could have been, but we haven't been presented with anything laying out the fact that it definitely was), what now? Sanctions? War? Not invited to our birthday party? What should our next steps be?

Influencing our election is serious no question about it, but nothing that was leaked was false. They didn't insert stuff about passing questions to Hillary and rigging the primaries in her favor into otherwise mundane emails about staff meetings and pizza parties. What was leaked was true, and we the voting American public were better off being informed of the behind the scenes going ons. I'd have loved it if the RNC was hacked/leaked as well, but thus is life.

Again, the true source of all of this is Hillary, Podesta, DWS, and the like. And again I wish the media would be more clear on what hacks/leaks they are referring to. Saying it was Russia as a blanket statement for all of the hacks/leaks might be incorrect as there were multiple hacks/leaks that happened during the election season and they all tend to be lumped together but shouldn't be.

Just because the GOP was complicit doesn't somehow absolve the misdeed. Don't worry though, trump will treat his bff accordingly and his lackey incl yourself will like it.