Hey Deeds, how about 5,000 MB/s?

[Kaido]

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-PCI-Express-Interface-Performance-GP-ASM2NE6100TTTD/dp/B07TJWZGL9

https://www.aorus.com/AORUS-NVMe-Gen4-SSD-1TB

* $259
* 1 terabyte SSD
* 2280 M.2 NVME 1.3
* PCI Express 4.0 x4
* Sequential Read Speed : up to 5000 MB/s
* Sequential Write speed : up to 4400 MB/s
* Random read up to 750,000 IOPS

Absolutely bananas. Can't wait to load Chrome up even faster

 

[UsandThem]

In before someone comes along only to say that "You'll never notice the real-life difference between it and a SATA SSD".

It's amazing how much progress has made over the last couple of years with NVMe after we were stuck with SSD SATA III speeds for so many years, and living in the dark ages dealing with IDE HDDs.

 

[Kaido]

In before someone comes along only to say that "You'll never notice the real-life difference between it and a SATA SSD".

It's amazing how much progress has made over the last couple of years with NVMe after we were stuck with SSD SATA III speeds for so many years, and living in the dark ages dealing with IDE HDDs.

It's crazy. I paid almost $30k for a special card that could hit those speeds & IOPS on SQL server project for a client just a few years ago. Now it's cheaper than a Playstation. Go figure!

On the flip side, speaking of ribbon connectors, I just reinstalled XP on a PC with an IDE connector last week (I service a lot of small machine shops that buy computer-driven machine tools that aren't network-connected, and sometimes the software only plays nice on the OG operating system that it was designed to run on, sadly). It was...a painful experience, haha. Such a weird mix of hardware in the modern age. At home, I'm on my Chromebook 99% of the time lol. It gets almost frustrating to use even a modern computer because of how fast ChromeOS is on a simple cheapo turnkey laptop...

 

[VirtualLarry]

On the flip side, speaking of ribbon connectors, I just reinstalled XP on a PC with an IDE connector last week (I service a lot of small machine shops that buy computer-driven machine tools that aren't network-connected, and sometimes the software only plays nice on the OG operating system that it was designed to run on, sadly). It was...a painful experience, haha. Such a weird mix of hardware in the modern age. At home, I'm on my Chromebook 99% of the time lol. It gets almost frustrating to use even a modern computer because of how fast ChromeOS is on a simple cheapo turnkey laptop...

Hey, if you need small-ish (80-120GB) 3.5" IDE HDDs, LMK. Send me a PM if you need to buy any.

 

[Kaido]

Hey, if you need small-ish (80-120GB) 3.5" IDE HDDs, LMK. Send me a PM if you need to buy any.

Nice thanks! For the most part, I've actually switched to using IDE SSD's to maximize the speed for fresh installs/clones/restores. Not super fast due to the bus speed, but a lot zippier than a normal mechanical drive!

 

[rsutoratosu]

yup pretty insane... the corsair should be out also.. similar pricing..

in a few years we'll see pcie 5 ssd

 

[EXCellR8]

I'm hearing a lot of reports on NVMe drives getting really toasty on the new X570 chipsets... even with beefy heat spreaders.

 

[mopardude87]

In before someone comes along only to say that "You'll never notice the real-life difference between it and a SATA SSD".

It's amazing how much progress has made over the last couple of years with NVMe after we were stuck with SSD SATA III speeds for so many years, and living in the dark ages dealing with IDE HDDs.

I guess i got into pc gaming a bit late,my first gaming computer started off the bat with a 74gb Raptor back in 2006. I used Raptor drives right till my first ssd back in 2010. Only IDE drives i got to mess with were the Maxtor drives i would replace with used or new WD ones when my friends or neighbors would need them replaced. So much fun setting the master and slave jumpers!

Also given i keep hearing most people won't notice the difference between a ssd and a M.2 but dang i am kind of intrigued and well why not? All i would need a 500gb one and with my new modular power supply coming in i would love a hard drive that did not require a Sata connector. One less cord to plug into the psu and my build would be a bit more stream lined. I would only have one gpu power cord, the atx and cpu ones! Of course the performance aspect of a M.2 intrigues me as much as having the cleanest possible build.

 

[mopardude87]

Nice thanks! For the most part, I've actually switched to using IDE SSD's to maximize the speed for fresh installs/clones/restores. Not super fast due to the bus speed, but a lot zippier than a normal mechanical drive!

Do they plug n play and work like any other standard IDE? First time in my life i ever heard of this and i had to pull some up on google to see if you were joking. I thought anything for IDE has been dead for a decade. The more you know i guess. Very freaking cool

 

[Muadib]

I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!I DON'T NEED THIS!!!

 

[Kaido]

Do they plug n play and work like any other standard IDE? First time in my life i ever heard of this and i had to pull some up on google to see if you were joking. I thought anything for IDE has been dead for a decade. The more you know i guess. Very freaking cool

Yup. You can either get an IDE unit or an adapter bracket. I like to get these kits from OWC, that way if the SSD dies, you can just replace it with an off-the-shelf SATA model:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMXLE120/

Note that there are two standards employed for these older connectors: Desktop IDE & Laptop IDE. Desktop IDE have 40 pins, whereas Laptop IDE have 44 pins - the extra 4 pins carry power, to replace the Molex connector you'd find on a desktop power supply. So you'd need something like a Transcend or KingSpec 44-pin PATA SSD if you're going to replace a laptop or a slim desktop that has a 44-pin IDE connector. Regular desktops can just use an adapter bracket, which I prefer because unlike mechanical spinning drives, SSD's tend to just straight-up die instead of slowly degrading in performance, so it's nice to be able to quickly swap it out instead of having to get a special part.

You're still limited to the bus speed, but it's typically quite a bit zippier not just because it maxes out the bus with the SSD, but also because you remove the latency from a spinning drive. Plus they're a bit more reliable, especially in things like laptops, where a spinning drive tends to get damaged from all the moving around of the computer while in operation, especially as most of the older drives don't have any kind of free-fall sensors in them to park the spinning head the machine is dropped.

I do work for a lot of smaller shops like restaurants, healthcare facilities, and shops where they just don't have the budget to go out & buy new stuff, or else they're locked into using older hardware & need to keep it running on the exact system version & hardware interfaces that it was originally shipped with, so there's still a pretty good market for up-cycling old stuff!

 

[mopardude87]

Yup. You can either get an IDE unit or an adapter bracket. I like to get these kits from OWC, that way if the SSD dies, you can just replace it with an off-the-shelf SATA model:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMXLE120/

Pretty interesting.

 

[Igo69]

Wow, if they are starting to release these then regular SSDs with ~500mb read/write will begin drop prices significantly next year

 

[Igo69]

Another one slightly lower though...

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/corsair-mp600-pcie-4-nvme-ssd-review,1.html

 

[phillyman36]

Another one slightly lower though...

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/corsair-mp600-pcie-4-nvme-ssd-review,1.html

Thanks for that review link. Im passing on the pcie 4 ssds. A good amount of those tests the Evo plus wins. I dont think i have anything i use my pc for that will take advantage of the seq read and write speeds of these drives.

 

[sandorski]

In before someone comes along only to say that "You'll never notice the real-life difference between it and a SATA SSD".

It's amazing how much progress has made over the last couple of years with NVMe after we were stuck with SSD SATA III speeds for so many years, and living in the dark ages dealing with IDE HDDs.

My 960 EVO NVMe drive is stupid fast compared to the 820 EVO(?) SSD in my old system.

 

[Kaido]

My 960 EVO NVMe drive is stupid fast compared to the 820 EVO(?) SSD in my old system.

What's your old system specs vs. your new system specs?

 

[sandorski]

What's your old system specs vs. your new system specs?

Old system in sig, new system- r5 2600 stock/16gb G Skill 3466 ddr4/b450f Asus ROG Strix, I suppose that might make a difference, but I doubt it. On paper the NVMe drive is 5-6x faster than the SSD already.

 

[Kaido]

Thanks for that review link. Im passing on the pcie 4 ssds. A good amount of those tests the Evo plus wins. I dont think i have anything i use my pc for that will take advantage of the seq read and write speeds of these drives.

I use Evo's almost exclusively in my work. They're pretty dang reliable & the pricing has gotten super cheap. I've had mixed luck with other brands. Evo's aren't perfect, but they have the highest reliability ime.

For me, the base of a 2ghz+ quad-core, 8GB RAM, and an SSD gives you a pretty solid base for high-performance computing. You can do decent on a dual-core laptop if you have enough RAM & a boot SSD, but things start getting kinda flaky when you get a cheapie sub-2ghz chip, or 4 gigs of RAM (especially with modern browsers), or a boot mechanical hard drive.

Most of the computers I'm putting in now use NVMe drives, which are crazy-fast, but tbh, you don't really notice it over a regular 2.5" EVO or an mSATA EVO for normal computing, despite it being like 3,000 MB/s vs. 500 MB/s. When everything more or less launches instantly on a standard SATA-III solid-state drive, it's not like you can do a lot better at that point, lol.

 

[Kaido]

Old system in sig, new system- r5 2600 stock/16gb G Skill 3466 ddr4/b450f Asus ROG Strix, I suppose that might make a difference, but I doubt it. On paper the NVMe drive is 5-6x faster than the SSD already.

Yeah, even your old one was pretty high-performance. What do you do a lot of, in terms of where you'd see the NVMe performance improvement, stuff like gaming-level loading? I put in a mixed bag of 2.5" SATA, mSATA, and M.2 NVMe drives for my work clients. As long as the systems are relatively decent to begin with (quad-core + 8 or 16 gigs of RAM), I don't notice much difference, but most users are kind of basic Windows/Chrome/Office users, so all they do is boot up Windows & launch programs, and use smaller-sized files off network drives rather than local drives.

 

[sandorski]

Yeah, even your old one was pretty high-performance. What do you do a lot of, in terms of where you'd see the NVMe performance improvement, stuff like gaming-level loading? I put in a mixed bag of 2.5" SATA, mSATA, and M.2 NVMe drives for my work clients. As long as the systems are relatively decent to begin with (quad-core + 8 or 16 gigs of RAM), I don't notice much difference, but most users are kind of basic Windows/Chrome/Office users, so all they do is boot up Windows & launch programs, and use smaller-sized files off network drives rather than local drives.

Just basic stuff. I notice it most with Bootups. Going from hdd to SSD was more dramatic, but NVMe is noticably faster to me. Granted, I might be having some placebo affect. Someone needs to science this.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

EDIT: nm

 

[mopardude87]

I was thinking about the original op and the posted ssd. I guess i could look but is there even any benefit of tossing one of these into a pcie-3 setup? One review said it was faster then a 970 Pro in pcie-3 and wouldn't it be nice to max out a pci-e 3 set up? 970 Pro or this Gigabyte deal may be the end to pcie-3 anyways as it is.

 

[Furious_Styles]

Just basic stuff. I notice it most with Bootups. Going from hdd to SSD was more dramatic, but NVMe is noticably faster to me. Granted, I might be having some placebo affect. Someone needs to science this.

I'd say that's placebo at work. All the videos I've watched says windows might boot 1s faster and similar game loading times.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I'd say that's placebo at work. All the videos I've watched says windows might boot 1s faster and similar game loading times.

It doesn't have to be placebo. NVMe is seen as performance. So manufacturers would just put the latest advancements for NVMe SSDs. They'll use lower performing ones for SATA ones.

It probably is faster, and some might notice it. Small file 4K random read goes from 9K IOPS on an SATA SSD to 14K, so that's a 40-50% improvement. NVMe offers 10us or so latency reduction for reads.

Our senses are much more sensitive than people give credit for. Especially if you are comfortable and used to something. So if you've used SATA SSDs for 4-5 years, you would notice something faster than that. Even just 10% better.