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Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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This is why would should enhance laws against users as the violence increases. They are directly responsible for funding the madness in Mexico and around the world.

We need to seize their assests like the car they got busted in (even one joint) or set a minimum $10,000 fine to fund intradiction and enforcement of anti-doper laws. Maybe if we treat them like the criminal element they are they would start getting the message: People died so your mind could be fried.

I'll never talk again. Oh boy you've left me speechless. You've left me speechless, so speechless.

- Lady Gaga
 

MetalMat

Diamond Member
Jun 14, 2004
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You know how much crap we have to worry about. The oil we use comes from the middle east, the diamonds we buy come from war-torn parts of Africa and the various crap we buy comes from China. And thats just a few.

Just legalize it
 

joesmoke

Diamond Member
Nov 2, 2007
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first off nobody smokes messycan pot. its garbage, everone knows this.

second, its the fuckin country's own fault that those kinds of things happen. its a symptom of being a corrupt shithole, not the cause.
 

geno

Lifer
Dec 26, 1999
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Also, Felix, people have died so you can put that wonderful stuff called gas in your car. Do you feel guilty about that? People have passed so your car could be gassed
 

Eli

Super Moderator | Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Thank you. One sensible poster on ATOT. The thing is your typical drug user lives in "lala land". If they had half a brain cell they would be well aware that their destructive behavior directly leads to thousands of dead people. This is why would should enhance laws against users as the violence increases. They are directly responsible for funding the madness in Mexico and around the world.

We need to seize their assests like the car they got busted in (even one joint) or set a minimum $10,000 fine to fund intradiction and enforcement of anti-doper laws. Maybe if we treat them like the criminal element they are they would start getting the message: People died so your mind could be fried.

I cannot tell if this post is serious or not, but if it is, you are quite frankly absolutely insane. Yes, what we need are MORE drug laws that don't work. That will solve everything!

Pull your head out of your ass. The solution to drug use is not, has never been, and never will be prohibition. Didn't we learn anything from alcohol prohibition? The things we're talking about in this thread are the very reasons alcohol prohibition was repealed. It did nothing to keep alcohol out of peoples hands, and sent the activity underground, artificially inflating prices and lining criminals' pockets.

Really, you can't see this? If we make it harder to get by making laws more strict, the violence can only increase. It will be harder to get, and it will be more dangerous to deal with. This will only make prices go up.

At least in the case of marijuana, instead of spending billions trying to eradicate a weed from the face of the planet, we could be making hundreds of millions in taxes. It's ridiculous.

I would also be in support of legalizing cocaine. Things like meth and heroin are harder, but they should probably be legalized too. The point of legalization isn't so everyone can get high. It's to take the power away from criminals, since the people that want to get high are going to get high.

There are case studies of societies with legalized drugs. What happens when drugs are legal, and people are educated? Drug use goes down. Amazing!
 
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joesmoke

Diamond Member
Nov 2, 2007
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that begs the question though: wtf does all that shit go?

That shit's all bricked up and disgusting.

for what it goes for on the street i dont even see how its worth it to them... youd think theyd put all their resources into the more profitable drugs
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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for what it goes for on the street i dont even see how its worth it to them... youd think theyd put all their resources into the more profitable drugs

Pot is a High Volume product. So it's worth it for that alone. Despite its' relative cheapness, it's still way over priced in comparison to the Cost of Production/Distribution.
 

Gooberlx2

Lifer
May 4, 2001
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I cannot tell if this post is serious or not, but if it is, you are quite frankly absolutely insane. Yes, what we need are MORE drug laws that don't work. That will solve everything!

This is why I can't take anyone who uses the phrase "doper" seriously. If you look in P&N, the only people who use "doper" as a derogative are the hypocrites who patently argue against reforming drug laws that would actually have some sort of hurtful impact on the cartels, gangs and violence that they're complaining about.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Do you feel any guilt that your casual drug use funds Mexico's narco terrorists? If I was out there smoking, snorting, or shooting it up I would wonder if it came from the Zetas, a group that recently massacred 72 innocent people en masse who refused to particpate in the drug business. If I used drugs I would be shocked, embarrased and ashamed over this.

are you embarrassed about your own ignorance?
 

InflatableBuddha

Diamond Member
Jul 5, 2007
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The fault is on those who pulled the trigger. You can't blame dopers if some of the guys that grow the shit are scumbags.

Now, since people are going to use drugs no matter what, and outlawing it only forces it underground into an illegal black market, perhaps the solution is to legalize and offer better rehab solutions. Keep people off the shit not because it's "illegal", but because it'll fvck up their lives. Instead of the government "keeping them down", perhaps the government could "give them a helping hand" ...

This is the most logical solution, but because it would harm those who benefit from the War on Drugs (DEA, law enforcement, gangs, etc.), it's doubtful such a change would ever occur.
 

InflatableBuddha

Diamond Member
Jul 5, 2007
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I cannot tell if this post is serious or not, but if it is, you are quite frankly absolutely insane. Yes, what we need are MORE drug laws that don't work. That will solve everything!

Pull your head out of your ass. The solution to drug use is not, has never been, and never will be prohibition. Didn't we learn anything from alcohol prohibition? The things we're talking about in this thread are the very reasons alcohol prohibition was repealed. It did nothing to keep alcohol out of peoples hands, and sent the activity underground, artificially inflating prices and lining criminals' pockets.

Really, you can't see this? If we make it harder to get by making laws more strict, the violence can only increase. It will be harder to get, and it will be more dangerous to deal with. This will only make prices go up.

At least in the case of marijuana, instead of spending billions trying to eradicate a weed from the face of the planet, we could be making hundreds of millions in taxes. It's ridiculous.

I would also be in support of legalizing cocaine. Things like meth and heroin are harder, but they should probably be legalized too. The point of legalization isn't so everyone can get high. It's to take the power away from criminals, since the people that want to get high are going to get high.

There are case studies of societies with legalized drugs. What happens when drugs are legal, and people are educated? Drug use goes down. Amazing!

:thumbsup:

are you embarrassed about your own ignorance?

:thumbsup:
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Im just floored by the outrageous violence going on in Mexico and cant help but think its mostly the fault of demand from dopers here in USA.

this violence, specifically, was the result of Calderon openly declaring WAR against the drug lords when he took power, and actively sought to do so. The demand has always been there, the cartels have always been there, they have always been violent.

This particular violence is the direct result of something else, however.

stop being such a daft tool.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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No I don't feel bad about smoking medical marijuana that comes from private growers in the United States and does not go to Mexican drug cartels. Now I'm growing my own I don't even have to go buy that, I pay my electric bill and I'm good. Lets not forget that if it was completely legalized we would be paying a big corporation instead of these drug cartels, pumping our GDP and producing more jobs. Fuck that though, lets fund violent criminal organizations that's a much better idea.
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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I wouldn't smoke my dog out with mexican weed

LOL.

The premise of this thread is silly. It is the restriction of the product, not the demand that is causing this. Same went for organized crime during the prohibition. I find it funny that America still has not learned from such recent history.

Legalize it. Tax it. Shit, I'll finally have something to farm on the land that's going to be left to me.
 

Renob

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2000
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lol do the OP is a fucking tool!!!

I bet your parents feel guilt for the way they raised your sorry ASS.

Buy the way all the Green I see where I live was grown in the good old USA!
 

preslove

Lifer
Sep 10, 2003
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this violence, specifically, was the result of Calderon openly declaring WAR against the drug lords when he took power, and actively sought to do so. The demand has always been there, the cartels have always been there, they have always been violent.

This particular violence is the direct result of something else, however.

stop being such a daft tool.

And the Mexican Cartels only got as powerful as they are because the US helped Columbia crack down on their cartels. It's called the balloon effect and it prevents eradication efforts FROM EVER SUCCEEDING.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balloon_effect
 
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