Hey IT Guys ... KNOCK IT OFF!!!!!

[Torn Mind]

Speaking of bad sites, it seems lot of major retail sites are horrible. So much heavy javascript. Canadian Tire's site is one of the worst. That site won't even run on my work PC, it uses too much resources. A site that it's sole purpose is to show a picture, specs, price, and ability to add to cart should not require such heavy javascript. It seems people forgot how to do normal coding these days and rely on huge frameworks. Try to google on how to do something in javascript and the first thing is "download this framework...". I'm not putting 20MB worth of scripts on my site so I can do 1 thing. But a lot of sites seem to do just that.

I suspect stores want aesthetics along with making the online store not too easy to shop so slickdealers don't have the time to look too deep.

 

[MtnMan]

Windows 11 is a perfect example of this stupidity.

For example who the fvck decided it was good design to bury frequently used drop-down menu selections like "delete" two or three clicks deep instead of one and WHY the hell would I want the "start" button in the center of the damn taskbar ?!?

What the fuck is the obsession with the operating system. An operating system is responsible for managing the system resources, and providing a platform for APPLICATIONS to run on. The only "Windows" thing I really use, and infrequently, is the file explorer. 99.9% of the time I'm running third party applications, and as long as the OS is stable (doesn't crash) and manages input and output from the application, what that OS is, is irrelevant.

Even considering apps/utilities that are part of the OS, there are far superior third party and open source alternatives. Searching for a file? Windows explorer takes forever... the "Everything" application displays results as fast as I can type in part of the file name. When running on remote computers, allows equally fast searches on the remote computer via a browser.

 

[dullard]

Eh, changing websites doesn't really bother me as long as the stuff I need is still there. What does bother me was the trend about 1 to 2 years ago for medium grey fonts on a light grey background. Just about every bank did that at about the same time. It was just an awful experience simply for the point of being awful.

 

[MtnMan]

I get the need for security for any website for financial information, or personal (no not facebook or twitter), but stuff like doctor's office portals. FB and twitter are a no-brainer, don't put personal stuff on there, cause no one gives a damn in the first place

I use long passwords that are total gibberish, generated by a password manager. Some use 2FA measures, some are simple enough, i.e. a code sent to my phone, which is great if I'm on a laptop/desktop, but makes zero sense if I'm on my phone.

Third party, such as Zenkey, requires an app on my phone... PIA, and relates only to a couple of sites. Then there is ID.me, DS Login, Login.gov, and likely many more I have not encountered. Each requiring you set up an account with these authentication services.

Some apps on my phone use my fingerprint, which is great in that's in simple, fast, and likely good security... combined with the fact the fingerprint reader on my Pixel phone is excellent. The wife's fingerprint reader on her Samsung phone, not so much.

 

[brianmanahan]

you know what really made me mad?

whenever ATOT got upgraded

 

[nakedfrog]

What the fuck is the obsession with the operating system. An operating system is responsible for managing the system resources, and providing a platform for APPLICATIONS to run on. The only "Windows" thing I really use, and infrequently, is the file explorer. 99.9% of the time I'm running third party applications, and as long as the OS is stable (doesn't crash) and manages input and output from the application, what that OS is, is irrelevant.

Even considering apps/utilities that are part of the OS, there are far superior third party and open source alternatives. Searching for a file? Windows explorer takes forever... the "Everything" application displays results as fast as I can type in part of the file name. When running on remote computers, allows equally fast searches on the remote computer via a browser.

The search USED to be better. What really sticks in my craw is that now sometimes in File Explorer, simply navigating to a new directory/folder sometimes provides the prompt "Working on it" before you can see the contents of the folder. Even if it's just a small directory with maybe 10 small files in it. And I'm still salty about them taking away the detail at the bottom of a File Explorer window that told you how much the files in that directory totaled, and how much drive space was free. Now instead you only get "99 items" or whatever, plenty of space there to still show the old details...

 

[Red Squirrel]

What the fuck is the obsession with the operating system. An operating system is responsible for managing the system resources, and providing a platform for APPLICATIONS to run on. The only "Windows" thing I really use, and infrequently, is the file explorer. 99.9% of the time I'm running third party applications, and as long as the OS is stable (doesn't crash) and manages input and output from the application, what that OS is, is irrelevant.

Even considering apps/utilities that are part of the OS, there are far superior third party and open source alternatives. Searching for a file? Windows explorer takes forever... the "Everything" application displays results as fast as I can type in part of the file name. When running on remote computers, allows equally fast searches on the remote computer via a browser.

The OS front end is the entire user experience of using the computer. A bad OS makes for a bad experience all around.

 

[lxskllr]

As well as care/feeding of the OS. It does more than sit there out of the way. It has to be regularly dealt with.

 

[MtnMan]

The OS front end is the entire user experience of using the computer. A bad OS makes for a bad experience all around.

What?

I launch an app, and unless the OS is so FUBAR that it takes more than a click or two, my entire user experience with the OS is done, and now I'm in the app.

2 seconds tops of the grand "user experience" to start a program, then spend hours in that app, how the fuck does the OS make that the "entire user experience", assuming of course the OS doesn't crash, or so mismanage the resources so that the app runs out of memory?

You responded using a browser, can you really tell what the underlying OS is while you are doing that? Be it W10, W11, Apple, Linux, Chrome OS, it would take a sharp eye to discern the difference.

 

[Red Squirrel]

What?

I launch an app, and unless the OS is so FUBAR that it takes more than a click or two, my entire user experience with the OS is done, and now I'm in the app.

2 seconds tops of the grand "user experience" to start a program, then spend hours in that app, how the fuck does the OS make that the "entire user experience", assuming of course the OS doesn't crash, or so mismanage the resources so that the app runs out of memory?

You responded using a browser, can you really tell what the underlying OS is while you are doing that? Be it W10, W11, Apple, Linux, Chrome OS, it would take a sharp eye to discern the difference.

There is more to using the computer than just launching an app. You've obviously never actually worked in IT or did IT for family members or did anything that involves installing, setting up, configuring etc the computer or even making basic config changes.

 

[brianmanahan]

You responded using a browser, can you really tell what the underlying OS is while you are doing that? Be it W10, W11, Apple, Linux, Chrome OS, it would take a sharp eye to discern the difference.

filesystem behavior is massively better in linux though

a file contents search in ext is like 50 times faster than ntfs

file copying and deletion is way better too

 

[MtnMan]

There is more to using the computer than just launching an app. You've obviously never actually worked in IT or did IT for family members or did anything that involves installing, setting up, configuring etc the computer or even making basic config changes.

Oh so wrong, my career was in IT. Started in mainframes, and ended up as a network specialist, with Cisco, Bay Networks (Nortel), Novell, and MS Server certifications. The OSs were my job, but had nothing to do with the "user experience" when I sat down to create a document, spreadsheet, etc. This was pre-office, when it was Word Perfect (blows groceries) and Lotus 123.

 

[sdifox]

filesystem behavior is massively better in linux though

a file contents search in ext is like 50 times faster than ntfs

file copying and deletion is way better too

chmod -R 777 would like a word with you.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Yuppified manufactured 'words' like this should be outlawed and anyone that uses them should be fired and barred from all future employment everywhere.

'onboarding'


It ain't a ship or plane or train, or even a bus.

 

[sdifox]

Yuppified manufactured 'words' like this should be outlawed and anyone that uses them should be fired and barred from all future employment everywhere.

'onboarding'


It ain't a ship or plane or train, or even a bus.

except Agile methodology uses train metaphors so onboarding is used.

 

[kage69]

Generally, I advise people not to direct their wailing and gnashing of teeth at IT.

Send that to who IT answers to. Try to understand that they get orders too, and just because a change is being implemented that doesn't automatically mean they are cool with it. Like most departments they tend to follow the direction of owners/management.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Blahblah poppycock.


See, I can use stupid words too?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I remember people saying 'I was only following orders.' It didn't work out well for them.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

To err is human.


To really foul things up requires a computer.


To cause the loss of all hope of future function involves IT and stupid words.

 

[sdifox]

stop posting drunk

 

[Captante]

stop posting drunk

We'll never hear from him again!

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

TSP.gov

Thrift Savings Plan .... it's a sort of 401K type thing for current and former federal employees and military.

Something over 5 years ago, the site was fine. No problems. Easy access to information about your account. Well sorted out.

Then they started tampering. Added that infernal code to phone or email every single time you wanted to log in. Not just for registering a device, but every bloomin' time. Then they disallowed the email and mandated a phone.



Then they went way out into deep space. Shut down all access for over a week. Killed everything that wasn't already committed to moviing funds in or out and even delayed some of those. Mandated a full re-registration of all members ... likely millions of people. Everyone must create a new account ID.

Except it doesn't work. You go through the whole process and are met with a blank screen. The new ID and PW you just created and was accepted by the system doesn't allow you to log in.

They got this new schmacny virtual assistant gizmo chat tool where you can request a live chat with an agent. Except you have to be logged in, which you can't do.

They post an 800 type number but caution about excess volume due to the new registration problems.

So, you call and deal with the equally infernal phone master that hates to let people through. You finally figure out how to get transferred to a person and the message says your expected wait time is 108 minutes.

What kind of IT moron crashes an entire working system, forces millions of people to create new IDs and then doesn't have enough support people on hand to deal with the mess?

 

[nakedfrog]

Oh so wrong, my career was in IT. Started in mainframes, and ended up as a network specialist, with Cisco, Bay Networks (Nortel), Novell, and MS Server certifications. The OSs were my job, but had nothing to do with the "user experience" when I sat down to create a document, spreadsheet, etc. This was pre-office, when it was Word Perfect (blows groceries) and Lotus 123.

WordPerfect 5.1 was amazing if you knew how to use it... but it wasn't exactly intuitive.

 

[kage69]

I remember people saying 'I was only following orders.' It didn't work out well for them.

LAN management and application upgrades.... ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity.... Yeah it's a pretty fine line, I can see how you might be confused.

 

[MtnMan]

WordPerfect 5.1 was amazing if you knew how to use it... but it wasn't exactly intuitive.

It was, but a blank blue screen with a blinking cursor is nowhere near intuitive.