Hey Mormons, stop pestering me.

[shortylickens]

Havent we already had this discussion like 5 times in the last year?

 

[Bignate603]

Havent we already had this discussion like 5 times in the last year?

Apparently people like to whine about their inability to end a conversation.

 

[Artista]

Simple, just tell them straight out you are not interested.

I have never had a Mormon come by my house. That would be interesting. I talk with the Jehovah Witness and politely decline the literature. No reason to disrespect anyone of non-violent spiritual faith. They at least have conviction to believe and do something about it. That is more than most who believe nothing and that clearly is reflected in the disintegration of society, communities, neighbors and families.

Yet in regards to the Jehovah Witness, their strength is their weakness also and it reflects on their short sighted mission. They care more for converting a individual than just plain caring for a individual.

God can use all things, even a cult like faith: There was a Saturday right before Christmas in which I had just broke up with my finance the day before, was kind of down and frankly lonely. I prayed for comfort and someone to talk with and BAM! A couple of Jehovah witness was ringing my door bell. I gave them coffee and was polite, they left and I felt much better. I looked Heaven ward and laughed. In that day and forward I was a little more specific in my prayers.

 

[mmntech]

Havent we already had this discussion like 5 times in the last year?

Yes, now it's been six times. People just love to hate door-to-door preachers. :thumbsup:

 

[Cogman]

Honestly don't believe that it was mormons (every time).

At most, mormons will knock your doors every 6 weeks. That is the length of a transfer. After 6 weeks, it is possible that a completely new set of mormon missionaries come into the area (at which point all bets are off.)

It is possible that you live close to the missionary apartments, in which case you might get hit up more often than others do.

Mormons don't communicate with Jehova's witnesses, or other religions that may decide to proselyte. It is more likely that you got hit up by 3 different religions in a short amount of time.

Now, if you didn't answer the door and they didn't see you, there is a good chance they were coming back to make sure they got every house on the street.

 

[lxskllr]

Yes, now it's been six times. People just love to hate door-to-door preachers. :thumbsup:

Ya know what I miss? Delivered milk, and Fuller brushes. The last thing I want delivered to my house is the most likely to come :^D

 

[Eli]

LMAO. The parts that had an effect on him are second two sections where they contend that 9/11 was an illuminati inside job, and that money is bad and we are all economic slaves. Just because the second and third sections of the film are horseshit lunacy, does not make the first segment incorrect. Overall Zeitgeist is an abominable film and I could not agree with it's major thesis less. However it does provide a succint, if not oversimplified version of the evolution of modern religious ideas.

Umm.. How do you figure? lol

 

[rudeguy]

Yes, now it's been six times. People just love to hate door-to-door preachers. :thumbsup:

I'm a Christian and I don't like these people. But we are talking about Mormons which is a whole different story. They worship a false prophet and call it a variation of Christianity. Whenever they are confronted with facts, they hand you a pamphlet and run.

I appreciate their dedication but am saddened that they give real Christians a bad name.

 

[ShawnD1]

Most of the people that come knocking for different churches are well meaning and generally nice people. In their minds they're doing something important. I don't necessarily agree with them but I've never had trouble with them leaving when I say "I appreciate the effort, but we're not interested" then either walking away or closing the door.

I haven't been door to door hassled, but every once in a while I get bugged when I'm waiting for the bus to go to work. Honestly, Jehovah Witnesses drive around and give pamphlets to people at bus stops. They're generally friendly people. They give a quick 1 sentence description of what they're doing and they ask if I would be interested in some reading material for the bus ride. I just say yes, take 1, say thank you, and they go away. There's no need to be a dick to them.

The last one they gave me was interesting. There was an article in it about why lotteries are evil but investing in stocks is not. It said for someone to win the lottery, many many people must lose. Then it gave a bible verse that explicitly stated you should work before you get anything. Then it quoted one of the ten commandments and stated that the idea of "luck" is sinful because luck is the idea that events are controlled by random shit like tapping wood or blowing on dice instead of having faith that god will do the right thing regardless of what you are doing. That argument seems logically consistent, and I can respect that. Praying for favors goes into that category as well because you're questioning god's ability to do the right thing. Then it said something about celebrate the lord for the sake of celebrating rather than celebrating with the expectation that you'll get some kind of favor from the lord. The J witnesses are right about that one; people who do favors just so you do them favors are such shitbags.

It said investing in the stock market doesn't count as gambling because stocks are not zero-sum. It's entirely possible for 10 people to buy stocks, the stock pays a dividend, and all 10 people win.

When I got to work, I ran the thing through the cross shredder instead of just throwing in recycling. I don't want people thinking I'm one of them :tinfoil:

 

[destrekor]

^^^ there ya go. Although I really wonder if I would stand there listening to someone talk at me for 5 minutes about something I don't care about.

Exploit their weakness - Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are kind and polite to a fault. If you just politely say you're not interested they probably won't bother you anymore. And you have to do that right away. Don't feel bad about interrupting them in the middle of their spiel, after all, they're the ones who are bothering you.

And hell, while they are polite and all, they understand time and effort. They also understand the concept of wasting time and effort.
They really don't want to give that 5 minute sermon if they know for sure you are going to daydream and ignore what they are saying. While it may seem rude, it really is in everyone's best interest to simply get the interruption out of the way as soon as one realizes they don't care about what the pitchman is pitching.

Sometimes this isn't as easy with salesman, who typically are not the perfect embodiment of politeness; see, they think everyone who isn't interest can be turned into a person who is interested... which is thus a higher chance of an actual sale at some point. Sometimes they get the point that you really aren't interested and everything they are going to say after that moment might as well be directed toward the nearest wall, but sometimes they think they didn't try hard enough at first and will simply commit to redoubling their efforts.

Marketing truly is the worst focus of intelligence in the history of the world. And sadly, intelligence and marketing isn't something you get to put a face to, as those intelligent faces are hidden behind an army of morons who are doing a terrible job translating the actual knowledge behind their profession into reality.

While that's really not at all related to door-to-door religious sects (aside from the door-to-door part, which, of course, is ultimately the same), I felt like rambling.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Umm.. How do you figure? lol

Not sure what you mean?

Do you mean that I am wrong about which part of that film is anti-government, and thus which segments were the most inspiring to him?

Do you mean that you think segment 1 is as much horseshit lunacy as the final two segments?

Do you mean that you think segments 2 and 3 are not horseshit lunacy?

Something else?

 

[Bignate603]

I haven't been door to door hassled, but every once in a while I get bugged when I'm waiting for the bus to go to work. Honestly, Jehovah Witnesses drive around and give pamphlets to people at bus stops. They're generally friendly people. They give a quick 1 sentence description of what they're doing and they ask if I would be interested in some reading material for the bus ride. I just say yes, take 1, say thank you, and they go away. There's no need to be a dick to them.

Personally, I respect religions that go out and try to share what they believe. Most religions believe that if you aren't a member that things aren't going to be so great for you after you die. The religions that believe that but don't try to share apparently are ok that everybody else is going to their version of hell, the jerks.

 

[lxskllr]

Personally, I respect religions that go out and try to share what they believe. Most religions believe that if you aren't a member that things aren't going to be so great for you after you die. The religions that believe that but don't try to share apparently are ok that everybody else is going to their version of hell, the jerks.

Really? I'm the opposite. That's why I like the Jews so much as far as traditional organized religions go. They do their thing, and STFU about it. They don't want any new people, and you have to be dedicated to convert. No Sunday car shows, and other bullshit to reel in the rubes and get fair weather converts.

 

[Bateluer]

While I think thats awesome, most HOAs will pitch a fit.

 

[ShawnD1]

While I think thats awesome, most HOAs will pitch a fit.

I would find the houses of every single board member of the HOA and pour road salt on their lawns. They'll be too busy replanting sod to notice my ball knocker.

 

[Cogman]

I'm a Christian and I don't like these people. But we are talking about Mormons which is a whole different story. They worship a false prophet and call it a variation of Christianity. Whenever they are confronted with facts, they hand you a pamphlet and run.

I appreciate their dedication but am saddened that they give real Christians a bad name.

Mormon missionaries are trained not to get into bible bashs. What you see as "running away" they see as "not wasting time". Which, quite honestly, is exactly what they should do.

If they gave you plausible answers for every one of your questions would you suddenly go "Oh, ok then, I guess I'll respect you and your relgion now." Absolutely not. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

I have talked with several people that have a mind of "Oh, I'm going to prove your church wrong etc..." They never go ANYWHERE. After you solve one concern it always "Well what about....". And whats worse, if you keep going eventually they will turn back to concerns that they have already talked about. It becomes an endless circle of "Well, you guys are sinners, your church is wrong, etc".

If you want to argue or actually have an issue resolve, I suggest going to some place like http://www.mormondialogue.org/ . and http://www.fairlds.org
There are very few "real" issues between mormonism and christianity when you get right down to it, and most of them stem not from the bible, but from the Nicaean creed.

BTW, I'm not going to debate this here. This thread is already too big.

 

[Miramonti]

Really? I'm the opposite. That's why I like the Jews so much as far as traditional organized religions go. They do their thing, and STFU about it. They don't want any new people, and you have to be dedicated to convert. No Sunday car shows, and other bullshit to reel in the rubes and get fair weather converts.

That's because they know you don't even qualify to be as close to God as they are because of your race, unless you jump thru hoops and get permission...in which case they socially might then [reluctantly] accept you in, if they aren't too conservative that is. Is this really better?

I used to pass Hacidic Jews many times in Chicago on the weekends while they were returning from services to their part of the neighborhood. Only twice did they ever say "hi"...once some nice kids, once a friendly elder.

Always ten or more at a time would storm down the sidewalk together and expect you to move...like they didn't see you until the last minute and then they'd suddenly slow go around if required.

But they hated dogs and wouldn't dare go close enough to touch one. As a result, when I saw them coming I would walk my lab retriever in the middle of the sidewalk. She'd part them like Moses and the Red Sea...and only God knew how much fun that was to see.

On the other hand, I never had a problem with Hacidic Jewish community in NY, and I went to 42nd St Photo often, lol. (which they ran.)

 

[Miramonti]

I don't have a problem specifically with Mormons, but in general, people of a religion too often have less respect for others outside their belief system, and can not see or respect that person as a peer due to the others' inferior beliefs/position.

However this is a common theme in many parts of society and not just specifically related to organized religion. That is what frequently makes societies in general a cult themselves to some extent imo (depending on one's strict or loose definition of 'cult'.)

 

[MotionMan]

That's because they know you don't even qualify to be as close to God as they are because of your race, unless you jump thru hoops and get permission...in which case they socially might then [reluctantly] accept you in, if they aren't too conservative that is. Is this really better?

I used to pass Hacidic Jews many times in Chicago on the weekends while they were returning from services to their part of the neighborhood. Only twice did they ever say "hi"...once some nice kids, once a friendly elder.

Always ten or more at a time would storm down the sidewalk together and expect you to move...like they didn't see you until the last minute and then they'd suddenly slow go around if required.

But they hated dogs and wouldn't dare go close enough to touch one. As a result, when I saw them coming I would walk my lab retriever in the middle of the sidewalk. She'd part them like Moses and the Red Sea...and only God knew how much fun that was to see.

On the other hand, I never had a problem with Hacidic Jewish community in NY, and I went to 42nd St Photo often, lol. (which they ran.)

Orthodox Jews are as bad as the orthodox of any religion.

However, I despise the religions that are basically based on being evangelical and trying to convert everyone.

At least Judaism leaves non-members alone.

MotionMan