hey ... whisky.

DigDog

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so, guys.
whisky is a alcoholic drink made from fermented grains, mostly barley. it is primarily produced in Scotland.
other spirits are also made with grains, too. however, these spirits made with grains are not whisky.

note that - despite what the forum's spellchecker says - whisky is spelled without the final e. that's whiskey and it generally refers to other similar alcoholic drinks, mostly those made in the US and in Ireland.

for example; Talisker is a whisky. Jack Daniels is not.

now, cask strength and what it means.


whisky gets most of its flavor and color from the maturing process, where the alcohol is stored in wooden barrels; different barrels impart different taste and color, and more often than not separate barrels will make different tasting whisky.
also, when whisky comes out of the barrel, it tends to be much stronger than 80 proof.

what does this mean?

through a history of weird tax laws, and also companies trying to appease a broader market of drinkers, including women, whisky has been brought down to 40° / 80 proof.
also, because companies wish to have a standardized product, identical through the years and across all the barrels, whisky from different barrels (albeit from the same production year) is mixed together so to average them out and produce pretty much the same taste for every bottle.

the drink is also generally diluted with water from the same source as it was used to make it.

now, plain and simple, if you drink this diluted, averaged product and you think you are drinking something "good", you don't know whisky.

the current marketof whisky is divided in three parts;

cask whisky - bottling the drink as it comes out of the barrel; this gives nearly every bottle its own distinct flavor, and every bottling will have a slightly different alcohol gradation, generally marked it by hand on each bottle.

single malt - a stupid name to indicate most malts brewed by competent Scottish breweries, such as Talisker, Oban, Laphoraig, and so on. Again, you really want to avoid most of the 40°'s as they will have gone through the watering-down process.
Whisky which is brewed to a lower gradation is ironically tastier, as it needs less water added; for example, Ardbeg.

"stuff" - everything else which is not the above. From the truly poisonous Claymore, to Jack Daniels.

you are free to drink anything you want, but just like vodka is not whisky, bourbon is not whisky either.

And unless you manage to grab a hold of cask-strength Jack, you still fall under the same rule as above - you are drinking a watered down version of the drink which has been homogenized to remove any trace of individual character.


on a further note,

there are now many new brewers that have jumped on the hype train and put out even cask strength whisky, but are rubbish - i recommend you stay away from them, and instead go with one of the older breweries.
in addition, to make things worse, there's whisky out there that just isn't particularly good, such as Springbank; i myself threw a bunch of moneys at a Port Ellen bottling that turned out to be crap (they used to bottle the best whisky in the world)and i'm still crying about it.

unfortunately the market has changed considerably in these last 15 years, and prices have skyrocketed, but there are still some decent full cask you can try without going poor, such as Caol Ila, Laphroaig, Miltonduff. Also i recommend you stay away from the Aberlour cask, it's just not good.

i suggest you stay around 55-60°, above 60 it tends to taste too much of wood, and below 50 it doesn't have the stinging, medicinal characteristics which bring out the flavor.



that's the basics. there's many other elements which make a whisky great or horrible, and different bottlings can have very different taste. but please by all means do try a real, BS-free whisky as nature intended.
 
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smackababy

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The only thing I think of when someone says Scotland is what Mark Renton told me: "It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!"
 

MongGrel

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jack daniels is a whisky.

I think its a single grain or a single malt whisky.

Its whisky.

No it's not.

*Bonk*

"The mash for Jack Daniel's is made from corn, rye and malted barley."

I do think there are several Scotch makers buy up their old barrels these days for aging though.
 
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Bier isn't beer either, although they are pretty much the same, though different. Back the day, true geeks would have rolled their collective eyes over such arguments.



Appreciate each on its own merit. If not you fall into the same arrogant hole that French winemakers fell into in the 70s, and were subsequently embarrassed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine))
 
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bradly1101

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note that - despite what the forum's spellchecker says - whisky is spelled without the final e.

I was told that's why there's no 'e' in my first name, the Scottish spelling. As for the drink, my brother's an expert. He's well versed in the finer drinks.

I myself am a complete lightweight. My tolerance is next to zero.
 

smackababy

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Whiskey isn't Whisky.

Actually, they are the same. Similar to 'color' is the same as 'colour'. However, it has become accustom to use 'whiskey' when referring to grain alcohol made in the US and 'whisky' when referring to grain alcohol made outside of the US. Additionally, it is customary to go with the spelling on the bottle, and most US brands go with whiskey. It would not be appropriate to call Jack Daniels a whisky, as it is marketed as whiskey and such with a Scottish whisky should not be referred to as a whiskey. Though, in our texting generation, I'm sure they are both wsky or some other stupid, abbreviated moniker.
 

lxskllr

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Fools trying to show off to their equally immature friends drink cask strength whisky without dilution. You aren't cool, you aren't tough, you're just a foolish dipshit.

Also whisky is typically blended from multiple years to get the desired flavor profile. It's marked with the youngest year in the blend. That's why some premium malts have an undisclosed age. People will balk at paying $80 for 5 year old whiskey, never mind the /average/ age is 18+
 

cbrunny

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so, guys.
whisky is a alcoholic drink made from fermented grains, mostly barley. it is primarily produced in Scotland.
other spirits are also made with grains, too. however, these spirits made with grains are not whisky.

note that - despite what the forum's spellchecker says - whisky is spelled without the final e. that's whiskey and it generally refers to other similar alcoholic drinks, mostly those made in the US and in Ireland.

for example; Talisker is a whisky. Jack Daniels is not.

now, cask strength and what it means.


whisky gets most of its flavor and color from the maturing process, where the alcohol is stored in wooden barrels; different barrels impart different taste and color, and more often than not separate barrels will make different tasting whisky.
also, when whisky comes out of the barrel, it tends to be much stronger than 80 proof.

what does this mean?

through a history of weird tax laws, and also companies trying to appease a broader market of drinkers, including women, whisky has been brought down to 40° / 80 proof.
also, because companies wish to have a standardized product, identical through the years and across all the barrels, whisky from different barrels (albeit from the same production year) is mixed together so to average them out and produce pretty much the same taste for every bottle.

the drink is also generally diluted with water from the same source as it was used to make it.

now, plain and simple, if you drink this diluted, averaged product and you think you are drinking something "good", you don't know whisky.

the current marketof whisky is divided in three parts;

cask whisky - bottling the drink as it comes out of the barrel; this gives nearly every bottle its own distinct flavor, and every bottling will have a slightly different alcohol gradation, generally marked it by hand on each bottle.

single malt - a stupid name to indicate most malts brewed by competent Scottish breweries, such as Talisker, Oban, Laphoraig, and so on. Again, you really want to avoid most of the 40°'s as they will have gone through the watering-down process.
Whisky which is brewed to a lower gradation is ironically tastier, as it needs less water added; for example, Ardbeg.

"stuff" - everything else which is not the above. From the truly poisonous Claymore, to Jack Daniels.

you are free to drink anything you want, but just like vodka is not whisky, bourbon is not whisky either.

And unless you manage to grab a hold of cask-strength Jack, you still fall under the same rule as above - you are drinking a watered down version of the drink which has been homogenized to remove any trace of individual character.


on a further note,

there are now many new brewers that have jumped on the hype train and put out even cask strength whisky, but are rubbish - i recommend you stay away from them, and instead go with one of the older breweries.
in addition, to make things worse, there's whisky out there that just isn't particularly good, such as Springbank; i myself threw a bunch of moneys at a Port Ellen bottling that turned out to be crap (they used to bottle the best whisky in the world)and i'm still crying about it.

unfortunately the market has changed considerably in these last 15 years, and prices have skyrocketed, but there are still some decent full cask you can try without going poor, such as Caol Ila, Laphroaig, Miltonduff. Also i recommend you stay away from the Aberlour cask, it's just not good.

i suggest you stay around 55-60°, above 60 it tends to taste too much of wood, and below 50 it doesn't have the stinging, medicinal characteristics which bring out the flavor.



that's the basics. there's many other elements which make a whisky great or horrible, and different bottlings can have very different taste. but please by all means do try a real, BS-free whisky as nature intended.

:O My whole life is a lie!









JK. Who the fuck cares?
 

CurseTheSky

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Your post is completely flawed. Whiskey and whisky are two different spellings for the same thing - a distilled spirit made from fermented grains. That's ALL that whisk(e)y means.

Several regions (primarily Scotland, Ireland, USA, Canada, and Japan) have a special set of rules that define what can legally be called whiskey. Usually the they define a minimum proof, minimum age, and what percentage of what grains can be used to produce the spirit.

For example, scotch whisky must be:
- produced in Scotland
- made from malted barley (other grains may be added)
- at least 40% ABV when bottled
- aged 3 years minimum

Bourbon whiskey must be:
- produced in the United States
- made from at least 51% corn
- at least 40% ABV when bottled
- aged in new, charred oak barrels (no minimum age)

There are other requirements for each, but those are the big ones as far as the consumer is concerned.

As noted from others, there are examples of bourbon being spelled "whisky." There's nothing incorrect about that; it's all just preference.

The customary practices, climate, and other subtleties are what make various whiskeys so different. Scotch whisky is primarily aged in used bourbon, sherry, and other spirit barrels. The use of peat (due to the lack of trees for wood) in scotch distilleries kilns leads to the smokiness of many scotches. Bourbon tends to be sweeter due to it's high corn content and the use of new barrels.
 
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preslove

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Your post is completely flawed. Whiskey and whisky are two different spellings for the same thing - a distilled spirit made from fermented grains. That's ALL that whisk(e)y means.

Several regions (primarily Scotland, Ireland, USA, Canada, and Japan) have a special set of rules that define what can legally be called whiskey. Usually the they define a minimum proof, minimum age, and what percentage of what grains can be used to produce the spirit.

For example, scotch whisky must be:
- produced in Scotland
- made from malted barley (other grains may be added)
- at least 40% ABV when bottled
- aged 3 years minimum

Bourbon whiskey must be:
- produced in the United States
- made from at least 51% corn
- at least 40% ABV when bottled
- aged in new, charred oak barrels (no minimum age)

There are other requirements for each, but those are the big ones as far as the consumer is concerned.

As noted from others, there are examples of bourbon being spelled "whisky." There's nothing incorrect about that; it's all just preference.

The customary practices, climate, and other subtleties are what make various whiskeys so different. Scotch whisky is primarily aged in used bourbon, sherry, and other spirit barrels. The use of peat (due to the lack of trees for wood) in scotch distilleries kilns leads to the smokiness of many scotches. Bourbon tends to be sweeter due to it's high corn content and the use of new barrels.

Small correction. Bourbon legally has to be aged 2 years. Also, whisk(e)y has to be barrel aged at least a little to be whisk(e)y.
 

dullard

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now, plain and simple, if you drink this diluted, averaged product and you think you are drinking something "good", you don't know whisky...
Again, you really want to avoid most of the 40°'s as they will have gone through the watering-down process...you are drinking a watered down version of the drink which has been homogenized to remove any trace of individual character...
to make things worse, there's whisky out there that just isn't particularly good, such as Springbank; i myself threw a bunch of moneys at a Port Ellen bottling that turned out to be crap (they used to bottle the best whisky in the world)and i'm still crying about it...Also i recommend you stay away from the Aberlour cask, it's just not good.
So, what you are saying is if we drink "averaged" stuff, it is crap (first quote). But if we follow your recommendations, it is crap too (second quote)?

I think you have it all mixed up. Just because you can have individual character doesn't make it good. Just because it is "averaged" doesn't make it bad either.

The real key is to try a bunch, and if you find a bottle you like, drink it up since you may never find it exactly the same again.
 

DigDog

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between 1999 and 2002 i lived by buying and selling spirits. my drink list is long enough that i'm willing to put it up against anyone else's here.

but that's not the point.

some will have read, and taken the advice. some not.

and yes dullard, even cask whisky can be bad.
 
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