Hezbollah: 2 Israeli soldiers captured

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: fallensight
Anyone who supports the gov's/factions at war pick thier side. Like I said, both sides are practiceing total war. The muslims just like calling the kettle black

Good to see someone here isn't completely irrational.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
That attitude is exactly why they want to get rid of Israel. If Israel could fathom the idea of peacefully and rationally existing on their stolen land, it really might not be much of a problem to the surrounding Arabs.

<--- Descendant of 1948 Palestinian refugees

As you post from Florida, home of how many displaced American Indian tribes. Fvcking hypocrite.

<--- Descendant of Osage Indian refugees

You're calling me the hypocrite? If Israel's actions are acceptable to you then mine should be too.

Israel just wants to be left alone. That is all.

Shalit's kidnappers took him after an Israeli airstrike "missed" and took out an entire family relaxing on a beach, leaving one badly injured girl screaming over her father's life.

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Also how many more innocent Palestinians need to be killed or injured in Israeli artillery raids, air strikes, and demolitions? Please, a Qassam rocket is like a pinprick compared to the military beast that is Israel, the damage Israel causes is infinitely greater than a couple of rockets that rarely hit their targets (look it up, most of them land on open fields).

Palestinian? Innocent? Surely you jest!
Maybe if their ELECTED government didnt openly call for attacks against Israel I might be inclined to think some of them are innocent.
The Arab cultures in the area are 300 years behind the times. They understand one thing, and thats power. The only way Israel will have peace is to kick the ever loving hell out of anyone who threatens them, so much so that no one will want to attack them again..
Kinda like they did with Egypt.

Maybe then, MAYBE, the terrorists in the region (And by that I mean the peoples of Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine) will think twice before poking Israel in the side.

Do you know anything about what little there is to know Palestinian politics? Fatah is a party surrounded by scandals; taking money meant for the Palestinian people (in terms of donations), and selling them out when possible. Its called chosing the lesser of two evils.

Then it looks like they've chosen war. I voted for Bush and now I must live with the consequences of that choice, be they good or bad.
Likewise to the people of Palestine.

Course, sending all those terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests to blow up bus stops, schools and coffee shops didnt help things much did it?

What suicide bombers? Last suicide bombing was more than a year ago. It'd been quiet in the area till Israel bombed Gaza (this is before any kidnappings).

Using selective memory will not help your position.
The Gaza incident was planned well before the beach incident. They had been building that tunnel long before.

The incident on the beach was disproved as being caused by the Naval shelling by both the the Palestinian and the UN Human Rights (which has been shown to be anti-Israel) as originally claimed by aAlestinian officials.

The Naval and artillery shelling were in response to the continued rocket launches (2-3/day) that was being launched from that area ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza.
Those rockets were not being launched against Southern Israel when Gaza was being controlled.

Hamas and Hebollah were responsbile for factions that are determined to disrupt the peace process. Until the incidents on the northern and southern borders, Israel did not move forces into Gaza or Lebanon. They did it in response to the abductions that were "an attempt to force a lobsided prisoner swap" Hezbollah was testing what Israel's response would be due to the publicity with Gaza. And Hebollah is guided by Syria and Iran.

Israel does not need to launch an attack in force against Syria; they have nothing to gain.
Syria will not attack Israel on it's own; they have everything to lose and know that they will not gain anything except embaressment.

Lebanon has no forces that are not under implicit control of Syria and act as willing pawns to Syria/Iran/Hebollah. The governemnt there is a proxy.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/fromthefield/220224/11527839198.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/14871468.htm Israeli airstrike "misses" 2 casualties, 13 wounded, all civilian. Course this airstrike came right after another airstrike which "missed", killing two small children, a teenager, and wounding 12+ bystanders, "as the targeted militants escaped". I'll believe it when a Qassam or a Katyusha misses, not something Israel's fired.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/...RT12-1/TPStory/TPInternational/Africa/ Five casualties, three of them being small children
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/s...j=154842020&p=y5484z6xx&n=154842629&x= Israel refuses a ceasefire, gee, sounds like Israel only understands power

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
That attitude is exactly why they want to get rid of Israel. If Israel could fathom the idea of peacefully and rationally existing on their stolen land, it really might not be much of a problem to the surrounding Arabs.

<--- Descendant of 1948 Palestinian refugees

As you post from Florida, home of how many displaced American Indian tribes. Fvcking hypocrite.

<--- Descendant of Osage Indian refugees

You're calling me the hypocrite? If Israel's actions are acceptable to you then mine should be too.

Israel just wants to be left alone. That is all.

Shalit's kidnappers took him after an Israeli airstrike "missed" and took out an entire family relaxing on a beach, leaving one badly injured girl screaming over her father's life.

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Also how many more innocent Palestinians need to be killed or injured in Israeli artillery raids, air strikes, and demolitions? Please, a Qassam rocket is like a pinprick compared to the military beast that is Israel, the damage Israel causes is infinitely greater than a couple of rockets that rarely hit their targets (look it up, most of them land on open fields).

Palestinian? Innocent? Surely you jest!
Maybe if their ELECTED government didnt openly call for attacks against Israel I might be inclined to think some of them are innocent.
The Arab cultures in the area are 300 years behind the times. They understand one thing, and thats power. The only way Israel will have peace is to kick the ever loving hell out of anyone who threatens them, so much so that no one will want to attack them again..
Kinda like they did with Egypt.

Maybe then, MAYBE, the terrorists in the region (And by that I mean the peoples of Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine) will think twice before poking Israel in the side.

Do you know anything about what little there is to know Palestinian politics? Fatah is a party surrounded by scandals; taking money meant for the Palestinian people (in terms of donations), and selling them out when possible. Its called chosing the lesser of two evils.

Then it looks like they've chosen war. I voted for Bush and now I must live with the consequences of that choice, be they good or bad.
Likewise to the people of Palestine.

Course, sending all those terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests to blow up bus stops, schools and coffee shops didnt help things much did it?

What suicide bombers? Last suicide bombing was more than a year ago. It'd been quiet in the area till Israel bombed Gaza (this is before any kidnappings).

Using selective memory will not help your position.
The Gaza incident was planned well before the beach incident. They had been building that tunnel long before.

The Naval and artillery shelling were in response to the continued rocket launches (2-3/day) that was being launched from that area ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza.
Those rockets were not being launched against Southern Israel when Gaza was being controlled.

Hamas and Hebollah were responsbile for factions that are determined to disrupt the peace process. Until the incidents on the northern and southern borders, Israel did not move forces into Gaza or Lebanon. They did it in response to the abductions that were "an attempt to force a lobsided prisoner swap" Hezbollah was testing what Israel's response would be due to the publicity with Gaza. And Hebollah is guided by Syria and Iran.

Well, now the million and a half people (I'm not using the term civilian anymore since all of you seem to dismiss them as acceptable casualties, civilian or not) in Gaza are without power, medical supplies, or clean water; Israel can save its rockets.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: fallensight
Anyone who supports the gov's/factions at war pick thier side. Like I said, both sides are practiceing total war. The muslims just like calling the kettle black

Good to see someone here isn't completely irrational.

The only ones being irrational are the Arabic countries around Israel.

I think they're about to find out they've bitten off more then they can Jew.

Godspeed Israel. GET SOME.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: fallensight
Anyone who supports the gov's/factions at war pick thier side. Like I said, both sides are practiceing total war. The muslims just like calling the kettle black

Good to see someone here isn't completely irrational.

The only ones being irrational are the Arabic countries around Israel.

I think they're about to find out they've bitten off more then they can Jew.

Godspeed Israel. GET SOME.

:thumbsup:

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/fromthefield/220224/11527839198.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/14871468.htm Israeli airstrike "misses" 2 casualties, 13 wounded, all civilian. Course this airstrike came right after another airstrike which "missed", killing two small children, a teenager, and wounding 12+ bystanders, "as the targeted militants escaped". I'll believe it when a Qassam or a Katyusha misses, not something Israel's fired.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/...RT12-1/TPStory/TPInternational/Africa/ Five casualties, three of them being small children
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/s...j=154842020&p=y5484z6xx&n=154842629&x= Israel refuses a ceasefire, gee, sounds like Israel only understands power

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
That attitude is exactly why they want to get rid of Israel. If Israel could fathom the idea of peacefully and rationally existing on their stolen land, it really might not be much of a problem to the surrounding Arabs.

<--- Descendant of 1948 Palestinian refugees

As you post from Florida, home of how many displaced American Indian tribes. Fvcking hypocrite.

<--- Descendant of Osage Indian refugees

You're calling me the hypocrite? If Israel's actions are acceptable to you then mine should be too.

Israel just wants to be left alone. That is all.

Shalit's kidnappers took him after an Israeli airstrike "missed" and took out an entire family relaxing on a beach, leaving one badly injured girl screaming over her father's life.

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Also how many more innocent Palestinians need to be killed or injured in Israeli artillery raids, air strikes, and demolitions? Please, a Qassam rocket is like a pinprick compared to the military beast that is Israel, the damage Israel causes is infinitely greater than a couple of rockets that rarely hit their targets (look it up, most of them land on open fields).

Palestinian? Innocent? Surely you jest!
Maybe if their ELECTED government didnt openly call for attacks against Israel I might be inclined to think some of them are innocent.
The Arab cultures in the area are 300 years behind the times. They understand one thing, and thats power. The only way Israel will have peace is to kick the ever loving hell out of anyone who threatens them, so much so that no one will want to attack them again..
Kinda like they did with Egypt.

Maybe then, MAYBE, the terrorists in the region (And by that I mean the peoples of Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine) will think twice before poking Israel in the side.

Do you know anything about what little there is to know Palestinian politics? Fatah is a party surrounded by scandals; taking money meant for the Palestinian people (in terms of donations), and selling them out when possible. Its called chosing the lesser of two evils.

Then it looks like they've chosen war. I voted for Bush and now I must live with the consequences of that choice, be they good or bad.
Likewise to the people of Palestine.

Course, sending all those terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests to blow up bus stops, schools and coffee shops didnt help things much did it?

What suicide bombers? Last suicide bombing was more than a year ago. It'd been quiet in the area till Israel bombed Gaza (this is before any kidnappings).

Using selective memory will not help your position.
The Gaza incident was planned well before the beach incident. They had been building that tunnel long before.

The Naval and artillery shelling were in response to the continued rocket launches (2-3/day) that was being launched from that area ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza.
Those rockets were not being launched against Southern Israel when Gaza was being controlled.

Hamas and Hebollah were responsbile for factions that are determined to disrupt the peace process. Until the incidents on the northern and southern borders, Israel did not move forces into Gaza or Lebanon. They did it in response to the abductions that were "an attempt to force a lobsided prisoner swap" Hezbollah was testing what Israel's response would be due to the publicity with Gaza. And Hebollah is guided by Syria and Iran.

Well, now the million and a half people (I'm not using the term civilian anymore since all of you seem to dismiss them as acceptable casualties, civilian or not) in Gaza are without power, medical supplies, or clean water; Israel can save its rockets.

So the Palestinians should say, "OK take the soldier back we surrender", and they should stop the Qassams.

Oh, and when Pwned, change the subject...

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/fromthefield/220224/11527839198.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/14871468.htm Israeli airstrike "misses" 2 casualties, 13 wounded, all civilian. Course this airstrike came right after another airstrike which "missed", killing two small children, a teenager, and wounding 12+ bystanders, "as the targeted militants escaped". I'll believe it when a Qassam or a Katyusha misses, not something Israel's fired.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/...RT12-1/TPStory/TPInternational/Africa/ Five casualties, three of them being small children
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/s...j=154842020&p=y5484z6xx&n=154842629&x= Israel refuses a ceasefire, gee, sounds like Israel only understands power

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
That attitude is exactly why they want to get rid of Israel. If Israel could fathom the idea of peacefully and rationally existing on their stolen land, it really might not be much of a problem to the surrounding Arabs.

<--- Descendant of 1948 Palestinian refugees

As you post from Florida, home of how many displaced American Indian tribes. Fvcking hypocrite.

<--- Descendant of Osage Indian refugees

You're calling me the hypocrite? If Israel's actions are acceptable to you then mine should be too.

Israel just wants to be left alone. That is all.

Shalit's kidnappers took him after an Israeli airstrike "missed" and took out an entire family relaxing on a beach, leaving one badly injured girl screaming over her father's life.

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Also how many more innocent Palestinians need to be killed or injured in Israeli artillery raids, air strikes, and demolitions? Please, a Qassam rocket is like a pinprick compared to the military beast that is Israel, the damage Israel causes is infinitely greater than a couple of rockets that rarely hit their targets (look it up, most of them land on open fields).

Palestinian? Innocent? Surely you jest!
Maybe if their ELECTED government didnt openly call for attacks against Israel I might be inclined to think some of them are innocent.
The Arab cultures in the area are 300 years behind the times. They understand one thing, and thats power. The only way Israel will have peace is to kick the ever loving hell out of anyone who threatens them, so much so that no one will want to attack them again..
Kinda like they did with Egypt.

Maybe then, MAYBE, the terrorists in the region (And by that I mean the peoples of Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine) will think twice before poking Israel in the side.

Do you know anything about what little there is to know Palestinian politics? Fatah is a party surrounded by scandals; taking money meant for the Palestinian people (in terms of donations), and selling them out when possible. Its called chosing the lesser of two evils.

Then it looks like they've chosen war. I voted for Bush and now I must live with the consequences of that choice, be they good or bad.
Likewise to the people of Palestine.

Course, sending all those terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests to blow up bus stops, schools and coffee shops didnt help things much did it?

What suicide bombers? Last suicide bombing was more than a year ago. It'd been quiet in the area till Israel bombed Gaza (this is before any kidnappings).

Using selective memory will not help your position.
The Gaza incident was planned well before the beach incident. They had been building that tunnel long before.

The Naval and artillery shelling were in response to the continued rocket launches (2-3/day) that was being launched from that area ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza.
Those rockets were not being launched against Southern Israel when Gaza was being controlled.

Hamas and Hebollah were responsbile for factions that are determined to disrupt the peace process. Until the incidents on the northern and southern borders, Israel did not move forces into Gaza or Lebanon. They did it in response to the abductions that were "an attempt to force a lobsided prisoner swap" Hezbollah was testing what Israel's response would be due to the publicity with Gaza. And Hebollah is guided by Syria and Iran.

Well, now the million and a half people (I'm not using the term civilian anymore since all of you seem to dismiss them as acceptable casualties, civilian or not) in Gaza are without power, medical supplies, or clean water; Israel can save its rockets.

So the Palestinians should say, "OK take the soldier back we surrender", and they should stop the Qassams.

Oh, and when Pwned, change the subject...

I'm not acknowledging being pwned. My goal was to try and point out that Palestinian casualities were still the deaths of innocent civilians, but since the term only seems to apply to Israelis with this crowd, I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

Sorry, don't drink alcohol, got any :coke;?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Well, now the million and a half people (I'm not using the term civilian anymore since all of you seem to dismiss them as acceptable casualties, civilian or not) in Gaza are without power, medical supplies, or clean water; Israel can save its rockets.

The Palestinian goverment chose to challenge Israel, anticipating the Israel would roll over.
Israel did not and called the Hamas bluff. Hamas has refused to fold. They represent their government and are responsible for the welfare of the Palestinian people. The people chose Hamas knowing what type of government they were getting.

The same goes with Israel; the Israeli government is rsponsible for the safety of its people. They have made the decision to not negotiate and instead retaliate if such indicaents occur.

Both Hamas and Hezbollas (and their sponsors) thought Israel was bluffing. They were wrong, now the people that they represent are paying the price for the actions of their elected leaders.

 

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

Sorry, don't drink alcohol, got any :coke;?

Coke doesnt sit well with me.
I got a mini-fridge full of Mountain Dew though

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Well, now the million and a half people (I'm not using the term civilian anymore since all of you seem to dismiss them as acceptable casualties, civilian or not) in Gaza are without power, medical supplies, or clean water; Israel can save its rockets.

The Palestinian goverment chose to challenge Israel, anticipating the Israel would roll over.
Israel did not and called the Hamas bluff. Hamas has refused to fold. They represent their government and are responsible for the welfare of the Palestinian people. The people chose Hamas knowing what type of government they were getting.

The same goes with Israel; the Israeli government is rsponsible for the safety of its people. They have made the decision to not negotiate and instead retaliate if such indicaents occur.

Both Hamas and Hezbollas (and their sponsors) thought Israel was bluffing. They were wrong, now the people that they represent are paying the price for the actions of their elected leaders.

Remember how I said the Palestinian people chose the lesser of the two evils in their elections? Well now I'm thinking abolishing the corrupt PA and returning to Israeli control ala mid 90s would be better. At least then we had full freedom of movement.

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

Sorry, don't drink alcohol, got any :coke;?

Coke doesnt sit well with me.
I got a mini-fridge full of Mountain Dew though

That'll do

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Well, now the million and a half people (I'm not using the term civilian anymore since all of you seem to dismiss them as acceptable casualties, civilian or not) in Gaza are without power, medical supplies, or clean water; Israel can save its rockets.

The Palestinian goverment chose to challenge Israel, anticipating the Israel would roll over.
Israel did not and called the Hamas bluff. Hamas has refused to fold. They represent their government and are responsible for the welfare of the Palestinian people. The people chose Hamas knowing what type of government they were getting.

The same goes with Israel; the Israeli government is rsponsible for the safety of its people. They have made the decision to not negotiate and instead retaliate if such indicaents occur.

Both Hamas and Hezbollas (and their sponsors) thought Israel was bluffing. They were wrong, now the people that they represent are paying the price for the actions of their elected leaders.

Remember how I said the Palestinian people chose the lesser of the two evils in their elections? Well now I'm thinking abolishing the corrupt PA and returning to Israeli control ala mid 90s would be better. At least then we had full freedom of movement.

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

Sorry, don't drink alcohol, got any :coke;?

Coke doesnt sit well with me.
I got a mini-fridge full of Mountain Dew though

That'll do

No hard feelings mrSHEiK124. I love all my fellow Americans equally the same. And that is most important, that we are all human and even better, Americans.
soda for you.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

Sorry, don't drink alcohol, got any :coke;?

Coke doesnt sit well with me.
I got a mini-fridge full of Mountain Dew though

That'll do

No hard feelings mrSHEiK124. I love all my fellow Americans equally the same. And that is most important, that we are all human and even better, Americans.
soda for you.
[/quote]

I'll say this. I have sympathy for you mrSHEik insofar as you're going to have to watch your people die and your country lose a war.
That cant be easy for anyone to do, regardless of what others may say about those people.

Dr. Pepper for me please.

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I'll say this. I have sympathy for you mrSHEik insofar as you're going to have to watch your people die and your country lose a war.
That cant be easy for anyone to do, regardless of what others may say about those people.

Dr. Pepper for me please.

:thumbsup:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

Sorry, don't drink alcohol, got any :coke;?

Coke doesnt sit well with me.
I got a mini-fridge full of Mountain Dew though

That'll do

No hard feelings mrSHEiK124. I love all my fellow Americans equally the same. And that is most important, that we are all human and even better, Americans.
soda for you.

I'll say this. I have sympathy for you mrSHEik insofar as you're going to have to watch your people die and your country lose a war.
That cant be easy for anyone to do, regardless of what others may say about those people.

Dr. Pepper for me please.[/quote]

How pleasant...but might I ask you, what country? Technically, a PA ID card is nothing more than an Israeli ID with a green jacket to show I'm Palestinian (a la apartheid).

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

Sorry, don't drink alcohol, got any :coke;?

Coke doesnt sit well with me.
I got a mini-fridge full of Mountain Dew though

That'll do

No hard feelings mrSHEiK124. I love all my fellow Americans equally the same. And that is most important, that we are all human and even better, Americans.
soda for you.

I'll say this. I have sympathy for you mrSHEik insofar as you're going to have to watch your people die and your country lose a war.
That cant be easy for anyone to do, regardless of what others may say about those people.

Dr. Pepper for me please.

How pleasant...but might I ask you, what country? Technically, a PA ID card is nothing more than an Israeli ID with a green jacket to show I'm Palestinian (a la apartheid).[/quote]

I was under the belief you were Palestinian?

 

[BrownTown]

Thats not a country...

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BigCoolJesus

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

So in other words.........Pwned
:beer:

Sorry, don't drink alcohol, got any :coke;?

Coke doesnt sit well with me.
I got a mini-fridge full of Mountain Dew though

That'll do

No hard feelings mrSHEiK124. I love all my fellow Americans equally the same. And that is most important, that we are all human and even better, Americans.
soda for you.

I'll say this. I have sympathy for you mrSHEik insofar as you're going to have to watch your people die and your country lose a war.
That cant be easy for anyone to do, regardless of what others may say about those people.

Dr. Pepper for me please.

How pleasant...but might I ask you, what country? Technically, a PA ID card is nothing more than an Israeli ID with a green jacket to show I'm Palestinian (a la apartheid).

I was under the belief you were Palestinian?[/quote]

I am (PA = Palestinian Authority). Palestinian territory can hardly be called an independant country. Having just returned from there, the best way to put it would be under de facto occupation. At least during the 67-mid 90s occupation Palestinians had 1. Full freedom of movement and 2. No corrupt government of their own to worry about.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Also how many more innocent Palestinians need to be killed or injured in Israeli artillery raids, air strikes, and demolitions? Please, a Qassam rocket is like a pinprick compared to the military beast that is Israel, the damage Israel causes is infinitely greater than a couple of rockets that rarely hit their targets (look it up, most of them land on open fields).

Palestinian? Innocent? Surely you jest!
Maybe if their ELECTED government didnt openly call for attacks against Israel I might be inclined to think some of them are innocent.
The Arab cultures in the area are 300 years behind the times. They understand one thing, and thats power. The only way Israel will have peace is to kick the ever loving hell out of anyone who threatens them, so much so that no one will want to attack them again..
Kinda like they did with Egypt.

Maybe then, MAYBE, the terrorists in the region (And by that I mean the peoples of Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine) will think twice before poking Israel in the side.

Do you know anything about what little there is to know Palestinian politics? Fatah is a party surrounded by scandals; taking money meant for the Palestinian people (in terms of donations), and selling them out when possible. Its called chosing the lesser of two evils.

Actually this is true... Hamas was... to the Palestinians the lesser of two evils. Fatah has done less than nothing to help Palestinians, and Hamas at least from the civillian wing does a decent job caring for Palestinian civillians.

However... to the rest of the universe, and in the long run for the Palestinians Hamas is the greater of evils... because they are a blatant terrorist organization, and they are uncompromising, which is what has allowed things to unfold as they have. Under Arafat and Fatah, Arafat would at least catch and release the terrorists... and he had plausible deniability as far as terror involvement.

This succesfully created a stalemate, where Israel took a world opinion beating... the world could scream STOP!!! You must only attack those responsible, and those responsible are not representative of the Palestinian people. Now that stalemate is gone... and for the first time in the last 30 years, the world opinion is more supportive of Israel and their retaliation because Hamas IS representative of the people.

As a Palestinian... you should be very aware that the greatest enemy of the Palestinians are the Palestinians. Your powerstructure is, and always has been very mafia, in that the strongest, and most violent rise to the top. Until that changes... you have NO CHANCE of getting any reasonable situation.

I will NOT claim that Israel is good to the Palestinians... however... Palestinians have done nothing to advance their cause... or the condition of their people. And the rest of the Arab world has been even less accomodating than Israel.

-Max

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Also how many more innocent Palestinians need to be killed or injured in Israeli artillery raids, air strikes, and demolitions? Please, a Qassam rocket is like a pinprick compared to the military beast that is Israel, the damage Israel causes is infinitely greater than a couple of rockets that rarely hit their targets (look it up, most of them land on open fields).

Palestinian? Innocent? Surely you jest!
Maybe if their ELECTED government didnt openly call for attacks against Israel I might be inclined to think some of them are innocent.
The Arab cultures in the area are 300 years behind the times. They understand one thing, and thats power. The only way Israel will have peace is to kick the ever loving hell out of anyone who threatens them, so much so that no one will want to attack them again..
Kinda like they did with Egypt.

Maybe then, MAYBE, the terrorists in the region (And by that I mean the peoples of Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine) will think twice before poking Israel in the side.

Do you know anything about what little there is to know Palestinian politics? Fatah is a party surrounded by scandals; taking money meant for the Palestinian people (in terms of donations), and selling them out when possible. Its called chosing the lesser of two evils.

Actually this is true... Hamas was... to the Palestinians the lesser of two evils. Fatah has done less than nothing to help Palestinians, and Hamas at least from the civillian wing does a decent job caring for Palestinian civillians.

However... to the rest of the universe, and in the long run for the Palestinians Hamas is the greater of evils... because they are a blatant terrorist organization, and they are uncompromising, which is what has allowed things to unfold as they have. Under Arafat and Fatah, Arafat would at least catch and release the terrorists... and he had plausible deniability as far as terror involvement.

This succesfully created a stalemate, where Israel took a world opinion beating... the world could scream STOP!!! You must only attack those responsible, and those responsible are not representative of the Palestinian people. Now that stalemate is gone... and for the first time in the last 30 years, the world opinion is

more

supportive of Israel and their retaliation because Hamas IS representative of the people.

As a Palestinian... you should be very aware that the greatest enemy of the Palestinians are the Palestinians. Your powerstructure is, and always has been very mafia, in that the strongest, and most violent rise to the top. Until that changes... you have NO CHANCE of getting any reasonable situation.

I will NOT claim that Israel is good to the Palestinians... however... Palestinians have done nothing to advance their cause... or the condition of their people. And the rest of the Arab world has been even less accomodating than Israel.

-Max

I can very much agree with the bolded part, and most of your post.

 

[Doboji]

One more thing...

The latest mantra of the Palestinian PR is "Why are Palestinian lives not as valuable as Israeli?"...

You need only go so far as reading the crap Ramzy Baroud is publishing to see this mantra.

I put it to you like this... the recent events... terrorism... hamas being elected.. has done nothing for Palestinians but establish in the minds of the citzenry of the world... a link

Palestinian - Terrorist/Terrorist Supporter.

Pictures of old women cheering for hamas... children carrying ak47s and wearing Hamas garb...

Whose life do you value more... the life of a murderer... or an innocent child? The Palestinians have done nothing for themselves except establish themselves as being more like the murderer than the child. What effect can this have other than to devalue the cost of Palestinian lives?

-Max

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/fromthefield/220224/11527839198.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/14871468.htm Israeli airstrike "misses" 2 casualties, 13 wounded, all civilian. Course this airstrike came right after another airstrike which "missed", killing two small children, a teenager, and wounding 12+ bystanders, "as the targeted militants escaped". I'll believe it when a Qassam or a Katyusha misses, not something Israel's fired.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/...RT12-1/TPStory/TPInternational/Africa/ Five casualties, three of them being small children
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/s...j=154842020&p=y5484z6xx&n=154842629&x= Israel refuses a ceasefire, gee, sounds like Israel only understands power

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
That attitude is exactly why they want to get rid of Israel. If Israel could fathom the idea of peacefully and rationally existing on their stolen land, it really might not be much of a problem to the surrounding Arabs.

<--- Descendant of 1948 Palestinian refugees

As you post from Florida, home of how many displaced American Indian tribes. Fvcking hypocrite.

<--- Descendant of Osage Indian refugees

You're calling me the hypocrite? If Israel's actions are acceptable to you then mine should be too.

Israel just wants to be left alone. That is all.

Shalit's kidnappers took him after an Israeli airstrike "missed" and took out an entire family relaxing on a beach, leaving one badly injured girl screaming over her father's life.

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Also how many more innocent Palestinians need to be killed or injured in Israeli artillery raids, air strikes, and demolitions? Please, a Qassam rocket is like a pinprick compared to the military beast that is Israel, the damage Israel causes is infinitely greater than a couple of rockets that rarely hit their targets (look it up, most of them land on open fields).

Palestinian? Innocent? Surely you jest!
Maybe if their ELECTED government didnt openly call for attacks against Israel I might be inclined to think some of them are innocent.
The Arab cultures in the area are 300 years behind the times. They understand one thing, and thats power. The only way Israel will have peace is to kick the ever loving hell out of anyone who threatens them, so much so that no one will want to attack them again..
Kinda like they did with Egypt.

Maybe then, MAYBE, the terrorists in the region (And by that I mean the peoples of Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine) will think twice before poking Israel in the side.

Do you know anything about what little there is to know Palestinian politics? Fatah is a party surrounded by scandals; taking money meant for the Palestinian people (in terms of donations), and selling them out when possible. Its called chosing the lesser of two evils.

Then it looks like they've chosen war. I voted for Bush and now I must live with the consequences of that choice, be they good or bad.
Likewise to the people of Palestine.

Course, sending all those terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests to blow up bus stops, schools and coffee shops didnt help things much did it?

What suicide bombers? Last suicide bombing was more than a year ago. It'd been quiet in the area till Israel bombed Gaza (this is before any kidnappings).

Using selective memory will not help your position.
The Gaza incident was planned well before the beach incident. They had been building that tunnel long before.

The Naval and artillery shelling were in response to the continued rocket launches (2-3/day) that was being launched from that area ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza.
Those rockets were not being launched against Southern Israel when Gaza was being controlled.

Hamas and Hebollah were responsbile for factions that are determined to disrupt the peace process. Until the incidents on the northern and southern borders, Israel did not move forces into Gaza or Lebanon. They did it in response to the abductions that were "an attempt to force a lobsided prisoner swap" Hezbollah was testing what Israel's response would be due to the publicity with Gaza. And Hebollah is guided by Syria and Iran.

Well, now the million and a half people (I'm not using the term civilian anymore since all of you seem to dismiss them as acceptable casualties, civilian or not) in Gaza are without power, medical supplies, or clean water; Israel can save its rockets.

So the Palestinians should say, "OK take the soldier back we surrender", and they should stop the Qassams.

Oh, and when Pwned, change the subject...

I'm not acknowledging being pwned. My goal was to try and point out that Palestinian casualities were still the deaths of innocent civilians, but since the term only seems to apply to Israelis with this crowd, I've nothing left to do. Go ahead, say what you please.

Nobody is going to deny that the Israelis have causes civilian deaths. What you are doing is acting like/claiming that these deaths were intentional. Note that the only country intentionally causing civilian deaths is Palestine. The deaths caused by Israel are when they are attacking one target and they miss (or they had bad targeting data, etc).

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Doboji
One more thing...

The latest mantra of the Palestinian PR is "Why are Palestinian lives not as valuable as Israeli?"...

You need only go so far as reading the crap Ramzy Baroud is publishing to see this mantra.

I put it to you like this... the recent events... terrorism... hamas being elected.. has done nothing for Palestinians but establish in the minds of the citzenry of the world... a link

Palestinian - Terrorist/Terrorist Supporter.

Pictures of old women cheering for hamas... children carrying ak47s and wearing Hamas garb...

Whose life do you value more... the life of a murderer... or an innocent child? The Palestinians have done nothing for themselves except establish themselves as being more like the murderer than the child. What effect can this have other than to devalue the cost of Palestinian lives?

-Max

to clarify... I am not saying Palestinian lives are less valuable than Israelis...

I'm saying that the effect of Palestinian PR as of late IS the devaluation of Palestinian losses...

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about , I'll clue you in: Israel has Jewish terrorist cells that carry out violence against Palestinians and the excuse used for not prosecuting them everytime is "not enough evidence". However evidence or not, Israel retaliates indiscriminately against anyone it views as an enemy (like it's doing right now to Lebanon) hence the hypocrisy of the nation and it's supporters like you.

Thanks so much for cluing me in. However, the difference between me and you is that I have actually lived in Israel. I know how they deal with these people because I've seen it myself, not from a few nice little links I found on Google. They arrest them. Unfortunately for you, Israel is a democracy. Although you'd really like them to, they don't arrest their citizens without proof. These kinds of crimes are the same kinds that gangs here in the US commit.
It's beyond ridiculous for you to say that Israel never arrests these people. I personally know people that have sat for assorted lengths of time in prison because of their affiliations with these kinds of terrorists. You don't know wtf you're talking about, but let me thank you again for cluing me in.