Hezbollah: 2 Israeli soldiers captured

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: avi85

Originally posted by: mrCide
Specop, good to know you'd rather kill nearly 92 million people vs 6 million.

obviously you dont realize that these "92 million people" and many more of their kind would like nothing better than to see your american body hanging from a noose, even if you are a "humanitarian"

you know your original post is the only reason i responded to this thread and now that i see you're completely ignorant, i probably shouldn't have bothered.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: avi85

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: avi85
Israel is not the one terrorizing, Israel is defending, The arab TERRORISTS are the ones terrorizing, hence their name.

There both terrorist and they are both defending.

How exactly is kidnapping 2 soldiers in the north called defending?

Guerilla Warfare.

Also, saying, "x is a terrorist," doesn't imply that x is a terrorist.

I thought it odd that after weeks of shelling Gaza, Israel points to this incident and then declares it an act of war. pot meet kettle.

Do you have any theories on why Israel may have been shelling locations in Gaza?

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: mrCide
i dont understand why its 'kidnapping' when palestinians or lebanon does it, but when israel prisons hundreds if not thousands of palestinians and certainly some lebanese its okay. who's to decide its 'kidnapping' and not because theyre criminals? it's not as if israel is giving them a fair trial or a 'release date', its the same thing.

1 or 2 israeli lives are worth thousands of others, civilians or not. israel doesnt kidnap it 'arrests'? what a bias joke. israel is a bully who's had it's candy taken away

Rule of law, legitimate elected government, geneva conventions and criminal justice system versus "do what I say or I'll kill this random soldier I nabbed". Yah, there's no difference. :roll:

Well to them Israel isn't legitimate and never will be.

You should do some more reading on the history of the conflict as I can tell you and the other non-stop Israel apologists on this forum don't understand the underlying issue.


Read this when you get some time:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/07/11/gaza/

Interesting article....

 

[avi85]

Originally posted by: mrCide

Originally posted by: avi85

Originally posted by: mrCide
Specop, good to know you'd rather kill nearly 92 million people vs 6 million.

obviously you dont realize that these "92 million people" and many more of their kind would like nothing better than to see your american body hanging from a noose, even if you are a "humanitarian"

you know your original post is the only reason i responded to this thread and now that i see you're completely ignorant, i probably shouldn't have bothered.

please enlighten me, what am I ignorant about?
maybe your the ignoramous living 6000 miles away from the conflict thinking that they can pass judgement, try to imagine yourself in my situation just for a day.

 

[mrCide]

please enlighten me, what am I ignorant about?

pass judgement?

well my family is lebanese/syrian. my uncle just flew out to lebanon last month. i have family in lebanon syria egypt and dubai. i'm lebanese-american and i follow middle eastern politics. i try to look at things from both perspectives. my best friends are jews, one is israeli. i told him we should duke it out today.

you're ignorant because of your ridiculous assumptions.

 

[avi85]

Originally posted by: mrCide

please enlighten me, what am I ignorant about?

pass judgement?

well my family is lebanese/syrian. my uncle just flew out to lebanon last month. i have family in lebanon syria egypt and dubai. i'm lebanese-american and i follow middle eastern politics. i try to look at things from both perspectives. my best friends are jews, one is israeli. i told him we should duke it out today.

you're ignorant because of your ridiculous assumptions.

Israel is attacked daily, lebanon was attacked today for the first time in 6 years because of an act of war on their part, I don't see how you can compare having family there with living there

 

[tommywishbone]

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Disproportionate military response by Israel as always.

Ding-ding-ding. We have a winner. IMO.

 

[tommywishbone]

Originally posted by: mrCide
i dont understand why its 'kidnapping' when palestinians or lebanon does it, but when israel prisons hundreds if not thousands of palestinians and certainly some lebanese its okay. who's to decide its 'kidnapping' and not because theyre criminals? it's not as if israel is giving them a fair trial or a 'release date', its the same thing.

1 or 2 israeli lives are worth thousands of others, civilians or not. israel doesnt kidnap it 'arrests'? what a bias joke. israel is a bully who's had it's candy taken away

ding-ding-ding. We have another winner.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone

Originally posted by: mrCide
i dont understand why its 'kidnapping' when palestinians or lebanon does it, but when israel prisons hundreds if not thousands of palestinians and certainly some lebanese its okay. who's to decide its 'kidnapping' and not because theyre criminals? it's not as if israel is giving them a fair trial or a 'release date', its the same thing.

1 or 2 israeli lives are worth thousands of others, civilians or not. israel doesnt kidnap it 'arrests'? what a bias joke. israel is a bully who's had it's candy taken away

ding-ding-ding. We have another winner.

What do you feel would be a proportionate response to another country firing rockets at your civillians, and kidnapping your soldiers?

Serious question.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: asadasif
Interesting article....

Interesting? I have never in my life seen such a hatchet job. This is called journalism?
Thankfully, I don't subscribe so I can only see the first paragraph.
First this:

As 1.5 million Gazans suffer for one Israeli

Wrong. They suffer because they knowingly elected known terrorists as their leaders who kidnap soldiers and fire rocket barrages at Israel. That's why.

Palestinians remember five July days in 1948 when they lost everything -- and the world didn't care.

They lost everything because they started a fvcking war and lost. They were offered peaceful coexistance, they rejected it out of hand and chose war, as they so often do. Why the hell should the world care?

Under the pretext of forcing the release of a single soldier "kidnapped by terrorists" (or, if you prefer, "captured by the resistance"), Israel has done the following: seized members of a democratically elected government;

If you democratically elect the unibomber as governer of your state, should he be allowed to stay in office? It's a silly argument. These people are knowingly and purposely murder innocent civillians, it doesn't matter how they got into office.

bombed its interior ministry,

Exactly. It's the place which coordinates the Palestinian security forces who are at war with Israel.

the prime minister's offices,

Who represnts Hamas who is at war with Israel,

and a school;

Obviously by mistake, there is no reason in the world for Israel to target a school. OTOH Hamas targets schools and schoolchildren all the time yet express outrage when a school gets hit my mistake.

threatened another sovereign state (Syria) with a menacing overflight;

Do me a fvcking favor. Syria shelters the leaders of Hamas. Syria should count their lucky stars that Israel exercised restraint and did not yet bomb Damascus.

dropped leaflets from the air, warning of harm to the civilian population if it does not "follow all orders of the IDF" (Israel Defense Forces);

Actually the leaflets said that anyone approaching Israeli positions will be fired at. Do not approach. That's actually pretty nice of a country to do when their attackers try to harm innocents. Yet it's looked at as a bad thing. Unreal.

loosed nocturnal "sound bombs" under orders from the Israeli prime minister to "make sure no one sleeps at night in Gaza";

OMFG they made noise! Cry me a river.

fired missiles into residential areas, killing children;

Hamas fighters surround themselves with children, they try to blend in with civillians. If they really gave a damn about the innocent Palestinians as they so often claim they would not do that. They know Israel will respond against them.

and demolished a power station that was the sole generator of electricity and running water for hundreds of thousands of Gazans.

Perhaps they shouldn't be attacking a country that was bending over backwards to make peace with them?

 

[bamacre]

To those hoping for an all-out war, shame on you. These two have been at war since we can all remember. What has it proven, what has it solved?

I just cannot see how one could find innocence anywhere in the region. This is a conflict of peoples who have for years chosen to live a life of fear, hatred, and vengeance. Unfortunately, it's just a glimmering reflection of the rest of the world.

This conflict is small in size when you compare it to the attrocities during WW2, or the genocides in Africa, yet this conflict has been such a thorn in the side of the entire world. It is a plague for all of us. A never-ending fight, for all to see. We all get so disgusted by the images of death, we have have taken a side, and we wish for the other to be destroyed. And in doing so, we are destroying ourselves. For neither side is innocent. Two peoples who left the God they claim to follow. They have traded Love for Fear, mercy for vengeance, compassion for hatred. It's as if they are not on separate sides at all. One in the same. One body, one mind, one soul, destroying itself.

 

[dahunan]

Does anyone know about the voting system in those "territories" or whatever it is.. is it even a whole state where everyone pays taxes or whatever etc..

Maybe they used Diebold machines? But honestly.. Saddam said everyone voted for him ... is that why we have killed 50,000+ Iraqi Citizens

 

[HBalzer]

Let?s say Venezuela fired missiles at the US and captured some border guards from the Mexican American Border and said if we don?t release terrorist prisoners they would kill them.

I am sure and would hope our response would also be disproportionate.

That said Israel has committed atrocities in the past but what country hasn?t?

You have family there i understand your concern but the country will get what it asked for.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: bamacre
To those hoping for an all-out war, shame on you. These two have been at war since we can all remember. What has it proven, what has it solved?

I just cannot see how one could find innocence anywhere in the region. This is a conflict of peoples who have for years chosen to live a life of fear, hatred, and vengeance. Unfortunately, it's just a glimmering reflection of the rest of the world.

This conflict is small in size when you compare it to the attrocities during WW2, or the genocides in Africa, yet this conflict has been such a thorn in the side of the entire world. It is a plague for all of us. A never-ending fight, for all to see. We all get so disgusted by the images of death, we have have taken a side, and we wish for the other to be destroyed. And in doing so, we are destroying ourselves. For neither side is innocent. Two peoples who left the God they claim to follow. They have traded Love for Fear, mercy for vengeance, compassion for hatred. It's as if they are not on separate sides at all. One in the same. One body, one mind, one soul, destroying itself.

Ah yes the moral equivalency argument... it is of course utter bullshyt

-Max

 

[dahunan]

Death begets more death

Violence begets Violence

rinse and repeat as needed

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Death begets more death

Violence begets Violence

rinse and repeat as needed

And there is the cycle of violence argument... also bullshyt. There is no cycle.. one side kills innocents purposefully, as often as they possibly can... they are literally chomping at the bit to kill Israelis. The other side just wants to be left alone.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: dahunan
Death begets more death

Violence begets Violence

rinse and repeat as needed

And there is the cycle of violence argument... also bullshyt. There is no cycle.. one side kills innocents purposefully, as often as they possibly can... they are literally chomping at the bit to kill Israelis. The other side just wants to be left alone.

Right.. so when you commit a crime in America.. the police come over and bulldoze your parents home and any others attached to it :laugh:

 

[dahunan]

Really though.. Hezbollah = Everyone in that area

So, Neocons = Americans

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: bamacre
To those hoping for an all-out war, shame on you. These two have been at war since we can all remember. What has it proven, what has it solved?

I just cannot see how one could find innocence anywhere in the region. This is a conflict of peoples who have for years chosen to live a life of fear, hatred, and vengeance. Unfortunately, it's just a glimmering reflection of the rest of the world.

This conflict is small in size when you compare it to the attrocities during WW2, or the genocides in Africa, yet this conflict has been such a thorn in the side of the entire world. It is a plague for all of us. A never-ending fight, for all to see. We all get so disgusted by the images of death, we have have taken a side, and we wish for the other to be destroyed. And in doing so, we are destroying ourselves. For neither side is innocent. Two peoples who left the God they claim to follow. They have traded Love for Fear, mercy for vengeance, compassion for hatred. It's as if they are not on separate sides at all. One in the same. One body, one mind, one soul, destroying itself.

How sweet, unfortunately you are right this war has been going on too long we are all tired of it and it is time for it to end. Sadly, the only way that will happen is by total annihilation, may the best man win.

Go Israel!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: bamacre
To those hoping for an all-out war, shame on you. These two have been at war since we can all remember. What has it proven, what has it solved?

I just cannot see how one could find innocence anywhere in the region. This is a conflict of peoples who have for years chosen to live a life of fear, hatred, and vengeance. Unfortunately, it's just a glimmering reflection of the rest of the world.

This conflict is small in size when you compare it to the attrocities during WW2, or the genocides in Africa, yet this conflict has been such a thorn in the side of the entire world. It is a plague for all of us. A never-ending fight, for all to see. We all get so disgusted by the images of death, we have have taken a side, and we wish for the other to be destroyed. And in doing so, we are destroying ourselves. For neither side is innocent. Two peoples who left the God they claim to follow. They have traded Love for Fear, mercy for vengeance, compassion for hatred. It's as if they are not on separate sides at all. One in the same. One body, one mind, one soul, destroying itself.

How sweet, unfortunately you are right this war has been going on too long we are all tired of it and it is time for it to end. Sadly, the only way that will happen is by total annihilation, may the best man win.

Go Israel!

Go play some video games :roll:

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: dahunan
Death begets more death

Violence begets Violence

rinse and repeat as needed

And there is the cycle of violence argument... also bullshyt. There is no cycle.. one side kills innocents purposefully, as often as they possibly can... they are literally chomping at the bit to kill Israelis. The other side just wants to be left alone.

Right.. so when you commit a crime in America.. the police come over and bulldoze your parents home and any others attached to it :laugh:

Well in America... if your mommy and daddy encourage you to be a martyr and then you go and blow up some kids at a nearby school... you go to jail. In Gaza you get a check.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Really though.. Hezbollah = Everyone in that area

So, Neocons = Americans

When a sovereign country is attacked by another, they fight back. That's what happens. Nobody likes it and it's unpleasant and civillians die. It's called war.

 

[avi85]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Death begets more death

Violence begets Violence

rinse and repeat as needed

so your saying that after 2 soldiers were kidnapped today, if israel had not done anything then they wouldn't continue the cycle of violence. Ya right

 

[Moonbeam]

Looks like force is a really good way to deal with your enemy right up to the point where your enemy decides that force is the way to deal with you. Day by day the children of both sides will grow up more and more psychopathic. Of course the conflict will shift location as the land eventually becomes uninhabitable for thousands of years.

 

[skisteven1]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: dahunan
Death begets more death

Violence begets Violence

rinse and repeat as needed

And there is the cycle of violence argument... also bullshyt. There is no cycle.. one side kills innocents purposefully, as often as they possibly can... they are literally chomping at the bit to kill Israelis. The other side just wants to be left alone.

Right.. so when you commit a crime in America.. the police come over and bulldoze your parents home and any others attached to it :laugh:

More like: When you commit an act of terrorism (ex. 9-11), people come to your house, they arrest you, they question everyone you've ever been connected to, and they do everything in their power to prevent you and your colleagues from harming innocent civilians again.

That's not an Israel-specific policy -- It's what the US does, and I'd imagine that it's what any other country under a similar threat would do.