Hezbollah: 2 Israeli soldiers captured

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imported_Aelius

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This pretty much gives a green light for Israel to turn the area into a free fire zone.

My best guess is they don't want to provoke a war with Israel that they aren't sure they can win. Also I think they hope that if they stay out it will make Israel return home sooner and also make people think that perhaps the Arab nations are more responsible than recent history has suggested.
 

BrownTown

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Not so much more responsible as more intellegent, they already lost several wars with Isreal until they decided they didn't really give a crap about the Palestinians either.

Honestly, that place has been nothing but trouble for whoever owned it for thousands of years. Ever since the Jews, Christians, and Muslims all decided that it was an important anyone who owns it is just asking for trouble. Any intelligent leader wouldn't want to to take it even if they could.
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Isreal knows how to deal with these savages. The whole IDF is mobilized and reserves are called up because 2 soldiers are taken hostage. force is the only language these savages understand.

we have 2 soldiers kidnapped and mutilated in iraq not to mention the 2,000+ who have died and we still play the political war, we worry way too much about bad press. The only way we can win in Iraq is to show and keep overwhelming force like the IDF is doing.

If israel knows how to deal with them how come they haven't been successful in the last few decades.
 

james88

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Don't know much about history but I think middle east should get rid of the terrorists. Therefor Jordon, Egypt, Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc should join in and help Isreal fight the terrorist Hezbollahs.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: ThePresence
BREAKING NEWS: Unconfirmed report from Israel Channel 10 that Nasralla may have been killed in an Israeli strike. My brother in Israel just called me, he saw this on TV. It's from an Arab source in Lebanon, but it's completely unconfirmed.

too good to even hope to be true...

shens, it's not even on drudge

Yeah, it doesn't seem to be true. Hence, unconfirmed. Israel TV had a guy in Lebanon saying that, but apparently he was wrong.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Looks like Israelis are just as guilty of being civilian abducting terrorists: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275195,00.html
First of all, nobody confirmed that.
Secondly, one tiny group of wackos that the rest of Israel despises is hardly indicative of Israel as a whole. If it's true you can expect the perps to be quickly arrested and dealth with. OTOH, Hamas is elected among strong public support, and Hizbollah is a member of the Lebanese government.
 

BrownTown

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Looks like Israelis are just as guilty of being civilian abducting terrorists: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275195,00.html


LOL, yea, its always great when you oppose someone by doing the exact same thing they did. Yeah, Hezbollah kidnaps 2 people and its a horrible crime, but when we do the exact same thing its a great idea. Honesly, how messed up do you have to be for that to make sense in your mind?
 

linkgoron

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Looks like Israelis are just as guilty of being civilian abducting terrorists: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275195,00.html

I don't think it's true. If they would've kidnapped 2 Palestinians it would've been already widely known. They "kidnapped" them more than 8 hours ago. But even so, I believe that the Israeli Police will search and find the 2, if the story is actually true.
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Looks like Israelis are just as guilty of being civilian abducting terrorists: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275195,00.html

I don't think it's true. If they would've kidnapped 2 Palestinians it would've been already widely known. They "kidnapped" them more than 8 hours ago. But even so, I believe that the Israeli Police will search and find the 2, if the story is actually true.

Originally posted by: ThePresence

First of all, nobody confirmed that.
Secondly, one tiny group of wackos that the rest of Israel despises is hardly indicative of Israel as a whole. If it's true you can expect the perps to be quickly arrested and dealth with. OTOH, Hamas is elected among strong public support, and Hizbollah is a member of the Lebanese government.


Riiiiggght, just like the Israeli police cracked down on this group for the murders they commited in the past? :roll: Oh and linkgoron, it's already posted on drudge report.
 

linkgoron

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Looks like Israelis are just as guilty of being civilian abducting terrorists: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275195,00.html

I don't think it's true. If they would've kidnapped 2 Palestinians it would've been already widely known. They "kidnapped" them more than 8 hours ago. But even so, I believe that the Israeli Police will search and find the 2, if the story is actually true.

Originally posted by: ThePresence

First of all, nobody confirmed that.
Secondly, one tiny group of wackos that the rest of Israel despises is hardly indicative of Israel as a whole. If it's true you can expect the perps to be quickly arrested and dealth with. OTOH, Hamas is elected among strong public support, and Hizbollah is a member of the Lebanese government.


Riiiiggght, just like the Israeli police cracked down on this group for the murders they commited in the past? :roll: Oh and linkgoron, it's already posted on drudge report.

but until now no proof has surfaced linking the group to the actual incidents

I can say I shot Palestinians, so I'd get some respect or something (from what they're thinking). It doesn't mean that i actually did it.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Looks like Israelis are just as guilty of being civilian abducting terrorists: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275195,00.html

I don't think it's true. If they would've kidnapped 2 Palestinians it would've been already widely known. They "kidnapped" them more than 8 hours ago. But even so, I believe that the Israeli Police will search and find the 2, if the story is actually true.

Originally posted by: ThePresence

First of all, nobody confirmed that.
Secondly, one tiny group of wackos that the rest of Israel despises is hardly indicative of Israel as a whole. If it's true you can expect the perps to be quickly arrested and dealth with. OTOH, Hamas is elected among strong public support, and Hizbollah is a member of the Lebanese government.


Riiiiggght, just like the Israeli police cracked down on this group for the murders they commited in the past? :roll: Oh and linkgoron, it's already posted on drudge report.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
These groups, and other such groups and others are under intense police scrutiny in Israel. You think these kinds of idiotic actions serve the interest of Israel? You think the police look the other way when they do these types of things? If so, you are severely out of touch with what goes on in Israel. As a matter of fact a relative of mine was detained numerous times just because one of his friends is affiliated with these kinds of groups. I say again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Looks like Israelis are just as guilty of being civilian abducting terrorists: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275195,00.html

I don't think it's true. If they would've kidnapped 2 Palestinians it would've been already widely known. They "kidnapped" them more than 8 hours ago. But even so, I believe that the Israeli Police will search and find the 2, if the story is actually true.

Originally posted by: ThePresence

First of all, nobody confirmed that.
Secondly, one tiny group of wackos that the rest of Israel despises is hardly indicative of Israel as a whole. If it's true you can expect the perps to be quickly arrested and dealth with. OTOH, Hamas is elected among strong public support, and Hizbollah is a member of the Lebanese government.


Riiiiggght, just like the Israeli police cracked down on this group for the murders they commited in the past? :roll: Oh and linkgoron, it's already posted on drudge report.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
These groups, and other such groups and others are under intense police scrutiny in Israel. You think these kinds of idiotic actions serve the interest of Israel? You think the police look the other way when they do these types of things? If so, you are severely out of touch with what goes on in Israel. As a matter of fact a relative of mine was detained numerous times just because one of his friends is affiliated with these kinds of groups. I say again, you have no idea what you're talking about.



Oh really?

The ?Shalhevet Gilad Brigades? is an extremist organization that has claimed responsibility for past shooting attacks in which Palestinians were murdered in the territories, but until now no proof has surfaced linking the group to the actual incidents, and no arrests have been made.

Of course no proof has surfaced, Israel wouldn't want it to because it would show the world they're just as bad if not worse than the terrorists they claim to be fighting against.

And of course:

Shin Bet head Avi Dichter told a Knesset committee that at least one Jewish terror cell was operating in the West Bank. In June, a Palestinian was killed in a drive-by shooting by unknown gunmen calling themselves the Shalhevet-Zar Brigade named for two Jewish settler victims of the intifada, the infant girl Shalhevet Pass and security officer Gilad Zar. At the time of Dichter?s warning, explosives were found in the car of the wife of Noam Federman, a Kach leader and Hebron settler arrested and convicted numerous times for hate crimes.

Yet while even moderate settlers say the guilt for the Tmeizi killings are confined to the gunmen who carried them out, the Israeli human rights organization B?tselem says that all told during the current intifada, eight Palestinians have been killed by Israeli civilians in what could be called murders. In some cases the killers were never found, in other cases the police arrested settlers but freed them for lack of evidence ? over the testimony of Palestinian who said they witnessed the killings. Beyond these killings, B?tselem points out, settler vigilantism is a continuous phenomenon, and has been especially grievous during this intifada.

"In recent months, settlers have shot at Palestinians, stoned their cars, damaged property, uprooted trees, burned a mosque, harmed Palestinian medical teams, attacked journalists, prevented farmers from going to their fields and blocked Palestinian cars from traveling on roads. Although some of the shooting was in self-defense, the vast majority of violence was premeditated," B?tselem stated.

Source: http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=7228
 

Specop 007

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Sounds like some of the missiles fired were launched by Iranian military.

This could get very interesting, very quickly. Its one thing to tangle with Palestine, Lebanon and Syria.
Iran brings a whole new dimension to the mix.

Godspeed and good hunting Israel.
 

networkman

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Originally posted by: Shuxclams...When are we going to stop giving money to these people? Let the Isrealies do it without us.... Without our money, without our weapons, without our support. I am sure they will carve out a larger land and live happily for a few years.... SHUX

Regardless of what my government chooses to do, I will continue to send donations to Isreal just as I already have.



 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Looks like Israelis are just as guilty of being civilian abducting terrorists: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275195,00.html

I don't think it's true. If they would've kidnapped 2 Palestinians it would've been already widely known. They "kidnapped" them more than 8 hours ago. But even so, I believe that the Israeli Police will search and find the 2, if the story is actually true.

Originally posted by: ThePresence

First of all, nobody confirmed that.
Secondly, one tiny group of wackos that the rest of Israel despises is hardly indicative of Israel as a whole. If it's true you can expect the perps to be quickly arrested and dealth with. OTOH, Hamas is elected among strong public support, and Hizbollah is a member of the Lebanese government.


Riiiiggght, just like the Israeli police cracked down on this group for the murders they commited in the past? :roll: Oh and linkgoron, it's already posted on drudge report.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
These groups, and other such groups and others are under intense police scrutiny in Israel. You think these kinds of idiotic actions serve the interest of Israel? You think the police look the other way when they do these types of things? If so, you are severely out of touch with what goes on in Israel. As a matter of fact a relative of mine was detained numerous times just because one of his friends is affiliated with these kinds of groups. I say again, you have no idea what you're talking about.



Oh really?

The ?Shalhevet Gilad Brigades? is an extremist organization that has claimed responsibility for past shooting attacks in which Palestinians were murdered in the territories, but until now no proof has surfaced linking the group to the actual incidents, and no arrests have been made.

Of course no proof has surfaced, Israel wouldn't want it to because it would show the world they're just as bad if not worse than the terrorists they claim to be fighting against.

And of course:

Shin Bet head Avi Dichter told a Knesset committee that at least one Jewish terror cell was operating in the West Bank. In June, a Palestinian was killed in a drive-by shooting by unknown gunmen calling themselves the Shalhevet-Zar Brigade named for two Jewish settler victims of the intifada, the infant girl Shalhevet Pass and security officer Gilad Zar. At the time of Dichter?s warning, explosives were found in the car of the wife of Noam Federman, a Kach leader and Hebron settler arrested and convicted numerous times for hate crimes.

Yet while even moderate settlers say the guilt for the Tmeizi killings are confined to the gunmen who carried them out, the Israeli human rights organization B?tselem says that all told during the current intifada, eight Palestinians have been killed by Israeli civilians in what could be called murders. In some cases the killers were never found, in other cases the police arrested settlers but freed them for lack of evidence ? over the testimony of Palestinian who said they witnessed the killings. Beyond these killings, B?tselem points out, settler vigilantism is a continuous phenomenon, and has been especially grievous during this intifada.

"In recent months, settlers have shot at Palestinians, stoned their cars, damaged property, uprooted trees, burned a mosque, harmed Palestinian medical teams, attacked journalists, prevented farmers from going to their fields and blocked Palestinian cars from traveling on roads. Although some of the shooting was in self-defense, the vast majority of violence was premeditated," B?tselem stated.

Source: http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=7228
WTF is the point? That crime happens? Does it mean that all gang violence in the US is because the US government wants it to happen? :roll:
I'm sure if they were arrested without proof you'd support that, right?
Not only that, but the very article you provide as support for your argument says that Dichter was warning the Kenesset about it, and that Federman was arrested numerous times. Sure seems like a government that supports it.
This has to be one of the most idiotic things I've ever read on AnandTech.
You don't know what you're talking about.
 

BrownTown

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Sounds like some of the missiles fired were launched by Iranian military.

This could get very interesting, very quickly. Its one thing to tangle with Palestine, Lebanon and Syria.
Iran brings a whole new dimension to the mix.

Godspeed and good hunting Israel.


So far there has been no indication that any missiles were fired by Iran, there was one report that believed that the missiles which hit Haifa could ahve come from Iran becasue the reockets in question didnt have the range to hit from Lebannon. But Isreal believes it was jsut a differnet type of missile, and even if come dumbo in Iran took a pot shot that doesnt mean that hte Iranian military had anything to do with it, there are tosn of people in Iran who hate Isreal.

Also, that "good hunting" remark is completly peurile, especially when you undserstand that for ever 1 person who desevers to be killed 10 more innocents will die, and for every 10 innocent that die 1 of there family member will grow up to be a terrorist. ITs the ultimate Catch-22, kill the terrorist, but in so doing create the next generation of terrorists.
 

mrSHEiK124

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*grabs lawn chair, popcorn, DS lite, laptop, and generator*

Anybody else think that its highly unreasonable for 50 civilian Lebanese casualties to result from the kidnapping of 2 soldiers, and for everyone else to think its unreasonable for the Lebanese to retaliate? Israel has no business bombing Lebanon's main airport, if all you dipsticks want to run around claiming the wacko anti-Palestinian groups in Israel do not represent the majority of Israelis, then I'll run around claiming that Hezbollah does not represent the majority of Lebanese people, which they do not. There are no *victims* in war other than civilians, both sides are the aggressors, deal with it.

EDIT: And these events REALLY should not take away from the humanitarian crisis in Gaza right now. One soldier in one of the world's most powerful armies who was kidnapped is NOT worth the lives of over 100 civilians; an eye for an eye, not an eye for a fvcking face. I'm not going to deny that Israel isn't targeting militants in Gaza, but to consider 100 civilians "collateral damage" is highly unethical.
 

railer

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I'm sure it has already been explained previously....but could someone humor me and explain what is meant by "terrorist" again?

Is it the group that conducts military operations vs an oponents military?, or, the group that indiscriminantly bombs public infrastructure and innocent civilians, for the sole purpose of causing terror amongst the general population?

Just curious.....
 

mrSHEiK124

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Originally posted by: railer
I'm sure it has already been explained previously....but could someone humor me and explain what is meant by "terrorist" again?

Is it the group that conducts military operations vs an oponents military?, or, the group that indiscriminantly bombs public infrastructure and innocent civilians, for the sole purpose of causing terror amongst the general population?

Just curious.....

Its the latter, and Israel definitely fits the job description. Hezbollah targeted Israeli soldiers, Israel targeted the Lebanese populace.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Sounds like some of the missiles fired were launched by Iranian military.

This could get very interesting, very quickly. Its one thing to tangle with Palestine, Lebanon and Syria.
Iran brings a whole new dimension to the mix.

Godspeed and good hunting Israel.


So far there has been no indication that any missiles were fired by Iran, there was one report that believed that the missiles which hit Haifa could ahve come from Iran becasue the reockets in question didnt have the range to hit from Lebannon. But Isreal believes it was jsut a differnet type of missile, and even if come dumbo in Iran took a pot shot that doesnt mean that hte Iranian military had anything to do with it, there are tosn of people in Iran who hate Isreal.

Also, that "good hunting" remark is completly peurile, especially when you undserstand that for ever 1 person who desevers to be killed 10 more innocents will die, and for every 10 innocent that die 1 of there family member will grow up to be a terrorist. ITs the ultimate Catch-22, kill the terrorist, but in so doing create the next generation of terrorists.

You're right on the missiles. I'm not sure if the missiles are Iranian, or fired by Iranians. Obviously that makes one hell of a big difference.

Israel has been under attack by damn near every Arab country in the region at one time or another since it became Israel. I wish them nothing but success, and fully mean "Godspeed and good hunting".
And I dont believe theres many innocent civilians in the Arab countries being targetted. I mean hell, some of tese countries have elected governments who are openly hostile to Israel. That shows the support of those "innocents".

So, just so theres no misunderstanding let me say it one more time.

"Godspeed and good hunting Israel."
 

MiniDoom

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Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
*grabs lawn chair, popcorn, DS lite, laptop, and generator*

Anybody else think that its highly unreasonable for 50 civilian Lebanese casualties to result from the kidnapping of 2 soldiers, and for everyone else to think its unreasonable for the Lebanese to retaliate? Israel has no business bombing Lebanon's main airport, if all you dipsticks want to run around claiming the wacko anti-Palestinian groups in Israel do not represent the majority of Israelis, then I'll run around claiming that Hezbollah does not represent the majority of Lebanese people, which they do not. There are no *victims* in war other than civilians, both sides are the aggressors, deal with it.

It?s not just about the two soldiers. I believe about 15 soldiers where murdered in the two unprovoked attacks and kidnappings. Also how many more innocent Israeli citizens need to be killed or injured in kazaam rocket attacks? Lebanon should have rid itself of this cancer called hezbollah long ago. They or hamas have no true interest in the Palestinian people.
 

mrSHEiK124

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Sounds like some of the missiles fired were launched by Iranian military.

This could get very interesting, very quickly. Its one thing to tangle with Palestine, Lebanon and Syria.
Iran brings a whole new dimension to the mix.

Godspeed and good hunting Israel.


So far there has been no indication that any missiles were fired by Iran, there was one report that believed that the missiles which hit Haifa could ahve come from Iran becasue the reockets in question didnt have the range to hit from Lebannon. But Isreal believes it was jsut a differnet type of missile, and even if come dumbo in Iran took a pot shot that doesnt mean that hte Iranian military had anything to do with it, there are tosn of people in Iran who hate Isreal.

Also, that "good hunting" remark is completly peurile, especially when you undserstand that for ever 1 person who desevers to be killed 10 more innocents will die, and for every 10 innocent that die 1 of there family member will grow up to be a terrorist. ITs the ultimate Catch-22, kill the terrorist, but in so doing create the next generation of terrorists.

Israel has been under attack by damn near every Arab country in the region at one time or another since it became Israel. I wish them nothing but success, and fully mean "Godspeed and good hunting".
And I dont believe theres many innocent civilians in the Arab countries being targetted. I mean hell, some of tese countries have elected governments who are openly hostile to Israel. That shows the support of those "innocents".

So, just so theres no misunderstanding let me say it one more time.

"Godspeed and good hunting Israel."

That attitude is exactly why they want to get rid of Israel. If Israel could fathom the idea of peacefully and rationally existing on their stolen land, it really might not be much of a problem to the surrounding Arabs.

<--- Descendant of 1948 Palestinian refugees
 

mrSHEiK124

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Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
*grabs lawn chair, popcorn, DS lite, laptop, and generator*

Anybody else think that its highly unreasonable for 50 civilian Lebanese casualties to result from the kidnapping of 2 soldiers, and for everyone else to think its unreasonable for the Lebanese to retaliate? Israel has no business bombing Lebanon's main airport, if all you dipsticks want to run around claiming the wacko anti-Palestinian groups in Israel do not represent the majority of Israelis, then I'll run around claiming that Hezbollah does not represent the majority of Lebanese people, which they do not. There are no *victims* in war other than civilians, both sides are the aggressors, deal with it.

It?s not just about the two soldiers. I believe about 15 soldiers where murdered in the two unprovoked attacks and kidnappings. Also how many more innocent Israeli citizens need to be killed or injured in kazaam rocket attacks? Lebanon should have rid itself of this cancer called hezbollah long ago. They or hamas have no true interest in the Palestinian people.

Also how many more innocent Palestinians need to be killed or injured in Israeli artillery raids, air strikes, and demolitions? Please, a Qassam rocket is like a pinprick compared to the military beast that is Israel, the damage Israel causes is infinitely greater than a couple of rockets that rarely hit their targets (look it up, most of them land on open fields).
 
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