I have a question now that you brought up digital vibrance. If the Geforce MX supports this feature, and it is simply a Geforce 2 gpu with two rendering pipelines disabled, isn't there some sort of hack to enable it for a regular Geforce 2?
3dfx 22bit filter looked good as their 32bit rendering.
As good whose 32 bit rendering? nVidia's or 3dfx's? Because it was not the case for either.
You wouldn't know this because you never owned voodoo 5.
I owned a Voodoo3 and I tested a Voodoo5 for a long time. 3dfx's 22 bit approximation was not as good as their 32 bit rendering and in fact that statement is technically impossible to be a fact.
You're not going to get full 32 bit precision from a 22 bit approximation no matter which way you look at it, compared to 3dfx, nVidia or any other vendor with true 32 bit support.
If the Geforce MX supports this feature, and it is simply a Geforce 2 gpu with two rendering pipelines disabled, isn't there some sort of hack to enable it for a regular Geforce 2?
AFAICT the drivers disable it if the card is not a GF2 MX or a GF3 based chipset. It's really stupid but it appears that even with tweakers it won't work.
As good whose 32 bit rendering? nVidia's or 3dfx's? Because it was not the case for either.
3dfx 22bit filter looked good as their 32bit rendering. I wouldn't know about other cards because I didn't do a side by side testing.
owned a Voodoo3 and I tested a Voodoo5 for a long time. 3dfx's 22 bit approximation was not as good as their 32 bit rendering and in fact that statement is technically impossible to be a fact.
Now BFG why do you got to lie. You never owned a voodoo 5, if you did test it for a long time you would know what I'm talking about.
You're not going to get full 32 bit precision from a 22 bit approximation no matter which way you look at it, compared to 3dfx, nVidia or any other vendor with true 32 bit support.
Yup, your correct on that statement but my eyes are telling me other wise with 3dfx 22bit filter. Only thing that you notice is fog and smoke trails. Other wise it looks same unless you took a screenshot and magnified it 10x and actually look for the difference with 3dfx 22bit filter.
There definately was a difference when you were looking at stuff like lens flares, fog, smoke, some lights, or very colorful textures.
Anyways, I can see a use for 64 bit color, with 32 bit color we have 256 shades of every color(RBG), which might not be enough if you have a shade, and some transparency involved.
I dont think it's as important as 32 vs 16 bit, but once the hardware is capable of doing it at acceptable speeds, as it is with 32 bit today, why not go for it?
I owned two Voodoo 5's and used the 22-bit filter setting. Before that I owned a generic Geforce 2 GTS 32MB. I could not tell the difference between 3dfx 22-bit and Nvidia 32-bit setting in this instance. However, I eventualy upgraded to a Inno3d Geforce Pro and a Gainward Geforce Pro 450. Both these cards at 32-bit had more vivid, better color saturation than my beloved Voodoo 5's. If not for that I would still be running a V5 today. Another observation I would like to mention is 2D image quality and overall image quality. The Voodoo 5 had 2D image quality superior to any Nvidia and at least equal to both Radeons I owned (LE and 64MB). But anyone that owns a Geforce MX, GTS, Pro, or 3 would benefit greatly from removing the capacitors for the low pass filter. I have two different Gainwards running in the house which in my opinion had amazing image quality to begin with. But after modding both of these as well as a PNY Geforce MX, I am absolutely blown away by the improvement. They are easily equal to the V5 now, maybe even better, but that is subjective since I don't have a V5 here anymore. I tested all three cards at a 1600 x 1200 x 32 desktop setting and the text was laser clear, and overall image/color is crisper and richer.
3dfx 22bit filter looked good as their 32bit rendering.
I'm sorry but that's just plain wrong and you must have been not looking in the right places or something.
3dfx's 22 bit approximation was better than everyone elses 16 bit mode (at the time) but it certainly didn't match their 32 bit output.
Now BFG why do you got to lie. You never owned a voodoo 5,
Where did I say I owned a Voodoo5? I didn't.
if you did test it for a long time you would know what I'm talking about.
I did test it and you're wrong. Unless you're trying to tell me that 3dfx's 32 bit colour was worse than nVidia's since I could easily see the difference between nVidia's 32 bit and 3dfx's 22 bit.
Of course you won't say that because that's clearly not the case. 3dfx's 32 bit was better than their 16 bit + 22 bit upsampling approximation. I suggest you go back and check in the right places this time.
Only thing that you notice is fog and smoke trails.
I'm getting sick of your little games. First you claimed that there was no difference and that I was lying about the Voodoo5 I tested. And now you turn around and say there is a difference?
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"There was no difference between the two."
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"There was a difference between the two but only when you looked in the right places."
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Answer the question: is there any difference between 3dfx's 22 bit and 32 bit colour? Answer "yes" or "no" and stop playing these games.
I know exactly what cards you had.
Just because I didn't own a card it doesn't mean I've never used it.
errr...can anyone point out to me what games even use the pixel and vertex shaders and t&l engine? it doesn't really seem that game developers have even implemented alot of the stuff that was introduced in the gf3...now gf4!
3dfx's '22 bit' colour was not quite as good as 32 bit.
I could certainly live with it, except that the Z-Buffer didn't seem to me to be quite as accurate as other cards (ie, ones running in 32 bit, not 16 bit, with a 32 bit Z-Buffer).
the fog did have some dithering with 3dfx's '22 bit' colour true..
anywho, one thing I noticed immediately is that 3dfx's 16 bit mode is clearly superior to ATi's 16 bit mode. It is now totally clear to me why ATi dropped 16 bit performance optimization and simply stuck with 32 bit.
as for nVidia, I can't say, I don't have any experience with their cards.
I'm sorry but that's just plain wrong and you must have been not looking in the right places or something.
I already told you fog and smoke trails were different. What places do I have to look?
I did test it and you're wrong. Unless you're trying to tell me that 3dfx's 32 bit colour was worse than nVidia's since I could easily see the difference between nVidia's 32 bit and 3dfx's 22 bit.
How did you easily see the difference between Nvidia's 32bit and 3dfx 22bit unless you did side by side testing? I'm sure 32bit is better but looking at the screen I couldn't tell the difference except for fog and smoke.
Of course you won't say that because that's clearly not the case. 3dfx's 32 bit was better than their 16 bit + 22 bit upsampling approximation. I suggest you go back and check in the right places this time.
I don't have the card anymore.
I'm getting sick of your little games. First you claimed that there was no difference and that I was lying about the Voodoo5 I tested. And now you turn around and say there is a difference?
What games am I playing? There's no difference in the colors that I see but effects were different. Why don't you stop playing games saying you tested voodoo 5 for a long time because you didn't. I had the card for 5 months and that is my opinion and probably lot of voodoo 5 owners feel the same way.
Just because I didn't own a card it doesn't mean I've never used it.
You can't get the feel for a card unless you used it long enough to find out.
::Stares at the card's stats blankly:: Is that it? Any idea how much that will cost? Surely it'll be near 500 bucks US, if not more. Geeze, 128MB of 325mhz DDR RAM. That'll be nearly twice the cost of the GF3 when it first came out.
adn look through their vid card selection, down a bit are visiontech GeForce 4's listed. 64mb of mem, for $120 I don't know if it is a typo, but it seem legit. kinda strange if you ask me
Even the current R200 should have 64bit color support once DX9 comes out as its the card that is the basis for features in DX9. The R300 will no doubt have it as well
Voodoo 3 was the best card for playing 16 bit color at the time and the critics panned it for not having 32 bit color when cards neither had horsepower for it nor the games were widespread.
Voodoo 5 is still the best card for playing those 16 bit games to me as you can apply very effective FSAA to them even at low resolutions.
As for 32 bit color: if the 16-22 bit postfilter worked such magic then why did every manufacturer not leap on it instead of turning to the demanding 32 bit.
Not that I am that bothered; I quite often run in 16 bit color as the occasional banding doesn't affect me as much as crawling effects with fsaa. I'm interested in what nvidia have chosen for Accuview fsaa. But doubting I'll ever make $400 use out of it I'll prefer the GF3 for a while.
anywho, one thing I noticed immediately is that 3dfx's 16 bit mode is clearly superior to ATi's 16 bit mode. It is now totally clear to me why ATi dropped 16 bit performance optimization and simply stuck with 32 bit.
LOL yeah, I agree with you 100%.
How did you easily see the difference between Nvidia's 32bit and 3dfx 22bit unless you did side by side testing?
You don't need side-by-side testing to see differences.
I'm sure 32bit is better but looking at the screen I couldn't tell the difference except for fog and smoke.
You just partially answered your own question.
What games am I playing? There's no difference in the colors that I see but effects were different.
This is what you said:
3dfx 22bit filter looked good as their 32bit rendering.
Why don't you stop playing games saying you tested voodoo 5 for a long time because you didn't.
I didn't say I tested it for a long time, just long enough to get familiar with it. Also after being so used to seeing a Voodoo3 and a nVidia GF2 MX I knew exactly what I was looking for and what I wanted to compare to the other cards.
You can't get the feel for a card unless you used it long enough to find out.
I had several days access to test the card as I pleased. And believe me, I tested it.
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