High end video card competition over the past 6 years

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I think if big vega is 10% faster and is priced right it wouldn't necessarily be a failure. But I agree, they are a full cycle behind Nvidia at this point.

That's just dreaming though.
I mean, what price point does Big Vega have to be at where you'd be happy with it? I'll still get it probably, but I'll cry myself to sleep afterwards. Literally, I will cry myself to sleep, because I know Nvidia will have a card ready.

So what price does it make us happy? 10% faster for $600? Then when does it have to be out by? March? February? April? January?

It's an extremely hard question to answer given the time frame it can have until Nvidia will have a midrange competitor out again. What if Volta is out in April? June? GTX 1070 launched in June.
Even if it launches in January, that's 5 months of market superiority, until it's beat out buy a GTX 2070... While the GTX 1070/1080 stood UNCONTESTED for 7 months (under a January release scenario.... even worse as it gets longer)?

It's just hard....

One thing many of the AMD proponents miss is the time factor. They cite a card was a great choice, while ignoring time on market.
This is what makes Nvidia cards such an amazing choice at the high end. Time on market as the fastest card on the market with ZERO alternative. It's honestly amazing how much people trash talk Nvidia and those who pay the premium for such cards when there is a clear time value of owning the card (time value of money applied to time value of owning the card vs not owning a card and therefore not being able to game at that fidelity level(not sure if that's clear.)). That's the main reason I'm upset I didn't buy a GTX 980Ti. I wanted it at release when I saw the MSI GTX 980Ti card benched and didn't purchase and paid dearly for it in the TIME I could have enjoyed the card.

Purchasing Nvidia at the high end has a lot to do with Time, and those who are willing to spend that much also most likely put a higher value on the time of owning the card.

That's also what makes 2016 SO WEAK for High end gaming. There was no competition, Titan XP was at a really crazy price that even most high end gamers aren't willing to pay, and the GTX 1080Ti is pushed out so far that it may not even be released ( I do NOT believe this), and that even then, the time til Volta just will not be worth it. Aelease advantage of 2-3 weeks of the GTX 1080Ti over Big Vega will be VERY suspect of being a worthwhile purchase. Staggering a high end release like this is utterly insane. The GTX 1080Ti would need to me at least a month and a half at this point of a lead.

This post all assumes a Volta GTX 2070 will come in June though. If a GTX 2070 comes later that changes a whole lot of things. I just have faith Nvidia works like clockwork though.

 

[Thinker_145]

Well the 1070 is a midrange chip so don't really care =D. But I'm livid still I didn't get the GTX 980Ti Gaming X 980ti. If I had the 980Ti, I wouldn't have gone freesync probably.

Those who regret not buying the 980Ti can still save $250 and get a slightly better card. Certainly makes up for the lost time.

 

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You expect Volta 1070 in 7 months?

 

[Arachnotronic]

That's just dreaming though.
I mean, what price point does Big Vega have to be at where you'd be happy with it? I'll still get it probably, but I'll cry myself to sleep afterwards. Literally, I will cry myself to sleep, because I know Nvidia will have a card ready.

Why would you cry yourself to sleep? NVIDIA's job is to make sure it has competitive GPUs out at all times, just as it is AMD's. If your hardware ecosystem is AMD based, don't worry about what the competition is putting out -- just buy the best thing for your money that meets your needs and be happy with it.

I am in the GSync ecosystem, so I will probably continue to buy NVIDIA GPUs from here on out unless AMD just comes out with something that I can't ignore (or NVIDIA gives me reason to doubt that it will put competitive products out on a timely basis)

So what price does it make us happy? 10% faster for $600? Then when does it have to be out by? March? February? April? January?

Vega will be out in the first half of 2017, one AMD exec recently said mid-2017. So I'd count on Computex 2017, two years after Fury X.

It's an extremely hard question to answer given the time frame it can have until Nvidia will have a midrange competitor out again. What if Volta is out in April? June? GTX 1070 launched in June.
Even if it launches in January, that's 5 months of market superiority, until it's beat out buy a GTX 2070... While the GTX 1070/1080 stood UNCONTESTED for 7 months (under a January release scenario.... even worse as it gets longer)?

Volta will not be out until late 2017 at the earliest in consumer form. Early 2018 is looking likely. If they are going to launch a Pascal-based 1080 Ti at CES 2017, then expect Pascal to remain NVIDIA's lineup for at least a year.

One thing many of the AMD proponents miss is the time factor. They cite a card was a great choice, while ignoring time on market.
This is what makes Nvidia cards such an amazing choice at the high end. Time on market as the fastest card on the market with ZERO alternative. It's honestly amazing how much people trash talk Nvidia and those who pay the premium for such cards when there is a clear time value of owning the card (time value of money applied to time value of owning the card vs not owning a card and therefore not being able to game at that fidelity level(not sure if that's clear.)). That's the main reason I'm upset I didn't buy a GTX 980Ti. I wanted it at release when I saw the MSI GTX 980Ti card benched and didn't purchase and paid dearly for it in the TIME I could have enjoyed the card.

That's my thinking, too. NVIDIA is really the best choice right now for high end gaming, IMHO.

Purchasing Nvidia at the high end has a lot to do with Time, and those who are willing to spend that much also most likely put a higher value on the time of owning the card.

Yep, I bought a 1080 on day 1, then moved to a Titan X on day one. I feel bad for people who waited for Vega under the pretense that it would be out in October 2016 or even January 2017. The hype sites may have actually dissuaded people from buying cards they wanted because they reprinted every silly forum rumor/tweet/etc. on the internet and passed off as fact. To be clear, this is not AMD's fault, they never promised late 2016/early 2017. It's all on third parties.

That's also what makes 2016 SO WEAK for High end gaming. There was no competition, Titan XP was at a really crazy price that even most high end gamers aren't willing to pay, and the GTX 1080Ti is pushed out so far that it may not even be released ( I do NOT believe this), and that even then, the time til Volta just will not be worth it. Aelease advantage of 2-3 weeks of the GTX 1080Ti over Big Vega will be VERY suspect of being a worthwhile purchase. Staggering a high end release like this is utterly insane. The GTX 1080Ti would need to me at least a month and a half at this point of a lead.

I think 1080 Ti will launch at CES 2017 and it will be priced at a solid premium since NVIDIA will have about six months all to itself in this segment. It would be unwise for NVIDIA to sit on 1080 Ti for too much longer and launch it only to respond to AMD (i.e. launching it in a fiercer competitive environment), since it will ultimately get fewer sales (at potentially lower ASP) over the lifetime of the GPU at that point.

It would be smarter for NVIDIA to launch at CES, get all of the sales it can with the product without Vega out, and then if appropriate cut prices if need be.

This post all assumes a Volta GTX 2070 will come in June though. If a GTX 2070 comes later that changes a whole lot of things. I just have faith Nvidia works like clockwork though.

Yeah, I hear you, but I don't think Volta will be a 2017 consumer product. Pascal 10-series should carry 2017 with the addition of 1080 Ti and perhaps a fully-enabled GP102 Titan card, and that'll be it, IMO.