Gotta love it when all those organic weirdos hate on HFCS when they grab something that has a ton of sugar. But But But it's organic so it must be good for me!!!
That study shows that pre-existing cancer cells can metabolise fructose easily. You are conveniently missing two critical things when you cite this as evidence of HFCS increasing cancer risk:
1) The cancer cells must already exist in order for them to use the fructose for proliferation. In other words, you have to already have cancer before fructose can become a risk factor.
2) "Real" sugar is 50% fructose, so it's not as though there's even a significant reduction in fructose levels when consuming "real" sugar. This means that you are severely overstating what is, in actual fact, an infinitesimal risk delta between "real" sugar and HFCS.
ZV
ZV, I understand your intentions here and at first glance your logic is sound.
However, the problem is that everyone has cancer all the time. Just stepping outside into the sun damages untold numbers of cells. Normal metabolism damages cells. Background radiation damages cells. Your body's immune system is constantly taking care of these damaged cells by destroying them. It is only when this process breaks down, for any large number of reasons, that you "have cancer".
You're right, it may not cause cancer. But why would you even want to encourge it?
This. There is anything wrong with HFCS (which is basically just sugar made from corn instead of sugar cane). The problem is just consuming too much sweetener period.
Yeah it's pretty incredible if you look at the EROI for Brazil's cane sugar ethanol program. IIRC some studies suggest it's about 8:1, in that area, whereas the EROI for corn ethanol in the US is maybe just slightly above 1:1. It's a really cool thing they have going down there. Of course we also have tariffs on ethanol imported from Brazil as well, so US consumers can't benefit from their cheap and efficient production. More protectionist BS to help prop up the domestic corn and ag industries, same as with the tariffs on imported sugar.
How does hemp based ethanol fare compared to sugar and corn?
Maybe if Americans weren't quite so scared of the marijoowanna bogeyman we could replace some of the inefficient corn.
I completely agree with your sentiment, but I don't think hemp would produce much ethanol. Probably be better to press the seeds and make biodiesel. lol.
Hemp's real value is in it's fibers.
Nestle Quick chocolate syrup taste much better then heresys now. I look at the ingredient list and the only major difference was one used sugar and the other corn syrup.
Yeah hemp is a really good source for cellulosic ethanol. Switchgrass is another good candidate. But the cool thing about cellulosic is that you can use all kinds of plant material that is normally just considered trash. Yard clippings, sawdust, stuff like that. So a lot of it could be derived from waste products, and not necessarily require a lot of new crops to be planted. Unfortunately cellulosic ethanol still isn't really ready for prime time, just not economically viable yet, at least not with gas at reasonable prices.In my few minutes of in depth research since posting it appears that while hemp still isn't nearly as good as sugar cane, it's still far better than corn for cellulosic ethanol. But considering sugar cane won't grow in the corn belt, it still may be worth switching crops. If we can convince people that farmers aren't just out in the tractor getting baked, of course.
http://cannabistv.wordpress.com/200...aster-cellulosic-ethanol-from-hemp-stability/
If people would spend 5 extra minutes at the grocery store looking whats actually in the products they buy and choosing wisely about what they stuff in their mouth this would not be an issue.
THIS SO MUCH.
Sometimes I think companies add shit just to add it. Like sauerkraut having artificial preservatives?? Really? Sauerkraut doesn't need fucking artificial preservatives. Only one brand had the ingredients I was looking for. Namely Cabbage, Water, Salt.
Me and the wife have taken to making alot of our baked goods and canned goods simply to avoid HFCS and to avoid all the artificial preservatives. And when we shop we read labels first before we buy. So far without any other dietary change(besides avoiding HFCS and artificial preservatives) I've lost 10 pounds she's lost 5. Just sayin....
How does hemp based ethanol fare compared to sugar and corn?
Maybe if Americans weren't quite so scared of the marijoowanna bogeyman we could replace some of the inefficient corn.
Ahh, the irrational fear of High Fructose Corn Syrup.
Read up (along with the references):
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4157
The important thing is for people to understand that just because its called high fructose, it does not mean its worse than sucrose, or rather that both are roughly equally bad in regards to fructose consumption.
I would hope they would, but I'm actually doubtful because they prefer to use HFCS as a scapegoat. Instead of actually really learning how to eat well, they'd rather blame it on whatever new boogeyman the health food industry can come up with (MSG is another good one). The worst part is this gets lumped in with legitimate stuff like limiting trans fats, so it ends up polarizing most people into either buying all into it or rejecting all of it.
There are legitimate reasons to be anti HFCS, or more specifically the corn industry, but that's no reason to let them mislead about other aspects.
Funny to witness all you babies trying to find easy way out of running everyday as body was made for.
PS I heard drinking semen is good for you...get after it.
Funny to witness all you babies trying to find easy way out of running everyday as body was made for.
PS I heard drinking semen is good for you...get after it.
404 ATOT crashed it?it's not irrational.
http://www.sportspineandwellness.com/blog/fructose-syrup/
when you look at the science, it's obvious that there's a difference and new research is showing that it is.
<Chris Carter>Come on Maaaan!</> This guy obviously knows nothing about gorillas. The gorilla does not get tired, it rips your limbs off and beats you to death with them.Success is like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you get tired, you quit when the gorilla gets tired.
that's actually not true. hfcs is worse than sucrose. just because "meh, it's about the same as far as composition" doesn't mean it's the same. the added fructose makes compounds the effects when ingested repeatedly over time. it's too easy to have it all the time, because it's in damn near everything unless you specifically get the food products that don't have it.
I took at class almost exactly like this at UCLA.
Physiological Science 5 with Dr. Christian Roberts. Good info =)
My teacher was also fucking ripped. I used to see him in the gym all the time. Here's him talking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYCPQz9nhQs&p=21CDC87B6B8D86CF&playnext=1&index=6