High School 'Sex Quiz' goes too far?

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The-Noid

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..... I was wrong you guys were right. This is exactly what kids need.
 
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HeXen

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i didnt see anything on there me and my friends weren't saying sometimes literally doing at age 14.
To me it looks obviously like similar stuff i took in psych course where the questions and options elude to very specific things, either emotions, desires or in this case biological instinct.
Their designed to force you to think outside of the box. At an immature level its amusing but certainly showed how many people can't really use their brains to see past a 6th grade perverse
 

The-Noid

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Your idea of what a teacher should do is quite... horrible. Teachers have at least an undergraduate degree, often two, and many have a master's as well. Some even have Ph.Ds - and this is at the high school level.

They spend their educational and professional careers studying how to teach. They learn how the teenage mind works, they learn about varying teaching methods, presentation methods, communication skills etc. You coming in and telling them what they should and shouldn't do is, well, ignorant.

I wouldn't walk into an engineering firm and tell them that their designs are all wrong. I wouldn't go to a doctor, get a diagnosis, tell him he was wrong, and then tell him what it should have been.

If you check out the curriculum of AP Psychology, you'll find the topics to be taught include:



There's also a whole bunch of stuff in there about societal influence on responses, societal conditioning etc.

An undergraduate degree is a dime a dozen, no? The teachers that get Master's degrees often get them so they can get a lane change and there is very little thought put into where they get them just that the necessary amount of credit is received for the lane change. I have seen some of the schools these master's degrees are from for the lane change, it is fairly pathetic. You may find a diamond in the rough story here and there but the vast majority of all issues simply relate to money and how the teachers aren't getting enough. This idea that they care about the students and their psychology, at least here is completely baseless.

Obviously, as I said research is on my side. The public education system in this country is shit and it starts with the administrative aspect and moves to the teachers.
 
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senseamp

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Teacher should be given a merit for creativity. Florida should be given a demerit for stupidity, what else is new?
 

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This is just another episode in Republican war on teachers. They won't rest until any self respecting person avoids the teaching profession like a plague, and we only have dumb regurgitating losers teaching our kids.
 

The-Noid

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This is just another episode in Republican war on teachers. They won't rest until any self respecting person avoids the teaching profession like a plague, and we only have dumb regurgitating losers teaching our kids.

..... I was wrong you guys were right. This is exactly what kids need.
 
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silverpig

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An undergraduate degree is a dime a dozen, no? The teachers that get Master's degrees often get them so they can get a lane change and there is very little thought put into where they get them just that the necessary amount of credit is received for the lane change. Having done consulting for the school board I can tell you the only thing that is important to the vast majority of teachers is money. You may find a diamond in the rough story here and there but the vast majority of all issues simply relate to money and how the teachers aren't getting enough. This idea that they care about the students and their psychology, at least here is completely baseless.

Obviously, as I said research is on my side. The public education system in this country is shit and it starts with the administrative aspect and moves to the teachers.

A lot of people are getting undergrad degrees yes. And a lot of people use them to go and do work. Try telling every programmer at Microsoft that their undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.

I have several friends who are teachers, and my wife is one too. They are all very highly trained. My wife in particular has authored a paper on asteroseismology while working in a lab which had its own space telescope. Now she teaches science to kids. The other physics teacher at her school graduated top of his class in undergrad physics and could have gone to any grad school he wanted to. He chose to teach. High school.

If anyone came up to her and told her that she should be teaching science by "reciting a textbook" and shouldn't do anything creative or out of the box, I'd ask them where their academic publications, B.Sc in physics, and B.Ed are.

Now, with this information, I can tell you that the most important thing to the vast majority of teachers is a fulfilling, enjoyable career (just like most people). That means money comes first to a point where the bills are paid, student outcomes come next. More money on top of that is just gravy.

Teachers are just like normal people in that they want to have job security, enough money to live comfortably, and to enjoy their work and see it make a difference.
 

silverpig

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To teach something that has been proven by science/math. A five year old joke e-mail forward with no discernible psychological basis now passes for teaching? That is obviously what is wrong.

You missed the point. The teacher gives it to the class despite knowing the answer himself because the students don't know the answer.

No discernible psychological basis? You got a psych degree or something? There are many things in the curriculum that it might apply to.
 

davmat787

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This is just another episode in Republican war on teachers. They won't rest until any self respecting person avoids the teaching profession like a plague, and we only have dumb regurgitating losers teaching our kids.

Why do you try to turn everything into some ideological argument? Funny you menion regurgitation, that is exactly what this teacher did. So which is it?

Are you saying a Democrat would not have a problem with this?
 

The-Noid

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A lot of people are getting undergrad degrees yes. And a lot of people use them to go and do work. Try telling every programmer at Microsoft that their undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.

I have several friends who are teachers, and my wife is one too. They are all very highly trained. My wife in particular has authored a paper on asteroseismology while working in a lab which had its own space telescope. Now she teaches science to kids. The other physics teacher at her school graduated top of his class in undergrad physics and could have gone to any grad school he wanted to. He chose to teach. High school.

If anyone came up to her and told her that she should be teaching science by "reciting a textbook" and shouldn't do anything creative or out of the box, I'd ask them where their academic publications, B.Sc in physics, and B.Ed are.

Now, with this information, I can tell you that the most important thing to the vast majority of teachers is a fulfilling, enjoyable career (just like most people). That means money comes first to a point where the bills are paid, student outcomes come next. More money on top of that is just gravy.

Teachers are just like normal people in that they want to have job security, enough money to live comfortably, and to enjoy their work and see it make a difference.

Well then your wife is the diamond in the rough. Congrats. I wish we had more but frankly we don't.
 

The-Noid

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You missed the point. The teacher gives it to the class despite knowing the answer himself because the students don't know the answer.

No discernible psychological basis? You got a psych degree or something? There are many things in the curriculum that it might apply to.

..... I was wrong you guys were right. This is exactly what kids need.
 
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HamburgerBoy

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Except they'll see soft core porn on a football field in the form of cheerleaders. They'll scenes of extreme violence on TV, and likely throughout their own school. These are students that are almost adults, they can get driver's licenses, register to vote, etc. Some can even enlist in the Armed Forces. And you claim that a quiz with sexual innuendo is inappropriate for an Advanced Placement Psychology class?

I bet that 95% of them have seen a woman snowball Peter North's ejaculate out of another woman's mouth. If your point is that it's ok for adults in a stance of dominance to show their legally child-aged pupils anything they've already seen, it's an extreme one.
 

silverpig

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Well then your wife is the diamond in the rough. Congrats. I wish we had more but frankly we don't.

There are a lot of other teachers she works with who are similar. Maybe not all have published, but they all have two degrees - one in education, and one in their subject.

There are a few lazy asses, but they are definitely in the minority.
 

The-Noid

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Really? You think our education system is inundated with bad teachers? That's a little absurd, isn't it?

From 12/7/2010 re: The AP (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40544897/ns/us_news-life/)

Scores from the 2009 Programme for International Student Assessment released Tuesday show 15-year-old students in the U.S. performing about average in reading and science, and below average in math. Out of 34 countries, the U.S. ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science and 25th in math.

Whatever the teachers are doing is working great. Definitely great. Not to mention the last study I saw which is probably outdated at this point showed from K-12 we top the list in spending/student and spend approximately two times more than the next country per student.

Education like health care needs a complete reboot. It is not fixable in its current state.
 

silverpig

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That was a poor choice of terms by me. I was more looking for accredited papers, published articles by psychological faculty, any of the numerous tests written in psychological journals that are taken in PY100, etc.

I guess I am in the minority that thinks a five+ year old joke E-mail from an unpublished source provides worse teaching methods than many published methods that have been used in Introduction to Psychology for years.

My wife has used stuff that could be considered email forwards in her classes before. She'll take a popular email forward and do an experiment to show that the things in the forward are real or fake (kind of like mythbusters)...
 

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this is 16-18 year olds here...adolescents. I don't see any harm in that, plus it's critical thinking.
 

The-Noid

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My wife has used stuff that could be considered email forwards in her classes before. She'll take a popular email forward and do an experiment to show that the things in the forward are real or fake (kind of like mythbusters)...

Great if she gets enough students excited maybe we can move up to 16th in the OECD for science instead of 17th.

As I said I was completely off base. The way to teach kids is to bring e-mail forwards into the classroom and not use books.

I truly mean this; I hope your wife does exceedingly well because I have no idea if it is the parents, students or faculty but something needs to change as we are losing our competitiveness on a global scale. Many will argue it is a spending problem but the numbers simply don't add up. There is another element involved and like any good citizen I have now paid and voted yes for three school levies in the last five years, as an attempt at change that doesn't appear to be coming. The last levy went for defined health care obligations of retirees so further cuts weren't required. I suspect we will continue to see levies that attempt to stop cutting and none that actually entail more money going into the system where the argument is it is needed.
 
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AznAnarchy99

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Teacher should be fired. Lets get back to teaching state standards.

"Class today we're learning about standard 32.3.4 - Reading"
 

The-Noid

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Teacher should be fired. Lets get back to teaching state standards.

"Class today we're learning about standard 32.3.4 - Reading"
From the AP Article Earlier Posted:

The gap between the highest performing countries and the United States is stark — students in Shanghai, for example, had an average score of 556 points in reading, 56 points higher than the 500-point average reached by United States students. Shanghai students also posted the highest score in math, with an average of 600 points, 113 points higher than the 487 point U.S. average.

OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurria cited ongoing evaluations, an emphasis on the importance of education, and a curriculum that is relevant to everyday life as reasons for the Chinese success.

"They don't only produce children who know the matters by heart," Gurria said. "They're educated to understand and face the challenges of real life."

He noted that the Chinese scores were strong in all three subject areas.

"That speaks about who is going to be leading tomorrow," Gurria said.

This leads me to believe you guys are onto something. If we could teach everything based on sex this country would be on fire. They would need a new benchmark.
 
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shangshang

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let's break down the hypocrisy outrage:

- Sarah Palin's (your holy broad) daughter is a whore. She is a wedlock girl. (Hmm maybe the slut wouldn't have been one had she taken an AP psych class? lol)

- 70% of US high school kids have had sex by the time they graduate (90% by the time they finish freshman year in college).

- Porn industry is the biggest in the US and it's growing at a healthy rate. (Though personally I don't like American porn because vaginas bigger than my fist is too loose for my taste).

Conclusion, yes some poster got it right. Americans are quite sexually repressed given that this is a country in which men are quite ready to pay $$$ to see whores on video.
 

The-Noid

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I had no idea this was a Republican vs. Democrat debate, why are you turning it into one?

It may come as a shock but there are people that care about issues and not parties.
 

boomerang

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The bigger question here is, who sets the standards for what's acceptable in the classroom? The parents complained and it appears that the school system agreed. Now I know that many here know with certainty that they were wrong.

So who within a community makes these decisions? Who sets the standards for a given school system?
 
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