High School 'Sex Quiz' goes too far?

[davmat787]

Why, though? Why should the teacher have to use "other subject matter" or only things the parents won't have a problem with? Would those alternative subject matters have gotten the lesson through to the kids in the same way and piqued their interest/curiosity? The parents' concerns are ancillary. If they have that much of a problem with the class, the quiz, or the teacher hey.. guess what.. they can pull their kid out of the class or the school.

Because the quiz is clearly biased against those kids that don't talk like this or choose to not engage in sexual activity yet?

Seriously though, I don't think a parents ability to pull their kid out of school equals a teacher being able to use any kind of subject matter or language. Isn't that the same argument racist whites used in the south back in the civil rights era? If you don't like it, go somewhere else?

Sure you can say that kids hear talk like this all the time, but as an adult and teacher he should have done better and have a better standard, at least IMO.

 

[zsdersw]

Seriously though, I don't think a parents ability to pull their kid out of school equals a teacher being able to use any kind of subject matter or language.

Were it a quiz given in elementary or middle-school, you might have a point.

Isn't that the same argument racist whites used in the south back in the civil rights era? If you don't like it, go somewhere else?

Different situation entirely.

Sure you can say that kids hear talk like this all the time, but as an adult and teacher he should have done better and have a better standard, at least IMO.

The best teachers are the ones who hold their students' attention and, while they've got it, do something with it to instill the desire to constantly learn and to analyze what they learn by thinking critically. This quiz does that better than anything that's bland and bourgeois.

 

[davmat787]

Conservatives are jokes, though. You can't go around worrying about what they think and expect to get anything done.
I shudder to think what a conservative-approved science course would look like.

"In der beginning, der wuz Jeebus."

You are making a false assumption if you think only religious conservatives might have a problem with this. I don't get why you are trying to make this an ideological/partisan argument out of this either. Makes it harder to see your point when you do so, as it makes one wonder if you only feel this was due to partisan/ideological assumptions.

I am guessing you don't have children.

 

[ShawnD1]

You are making a false assumption if you think only religious conservatives might have a problem with this. I don't get why you are trying to make this an ideological/partisan argument out of this either. Makes it harder to see your point when you do so, as it makes one wonder if you only feel this was due to partisan/ideological assumptions.

I am guessing you don't have children.

He's probably making that assumption because it's often true. People who do things like cover up breasts or try to make porn illegal are usually affiliated with some hardcore religious cult.

 

[DominionSeraph]

You're completely disconnected from reality if you actually believe what you just wrote.

Holy shit. You've just shown that you've never been anywhere NEAR an AP class.

AP is full of nerds taking class VERY seriously. It is the nerd mindset to compete academically -- it is no laughing matter. (Not necessarily a competition against anyone else, but a competition with oneself to reach perfection of 100%.)

 

[davmat787]

He's probably making that assumption because it's often true. People who do things like cover up breasts or try to make porn illegal are usually affiliated with some hardcore religious cult.

Sure, but those aren't the same as an older teacher who is an adult talking to minors using this kind of terminology.

Again, I agree there is a valuable core lesson to the quiz, but I think the teacher should have used his psychology ninja skills to perhaps project how the parents might view this. The exact same lesson could have been taught using other examples, I know as I have seen the same type quiz before. Racking my brain trying to remember the questions, but that was probably 20 years ago anyway.

These kids won't forget, as the questions in the quiz are more memorable than the lesson perhaps.

 

[ericlp]

as long as the teacher passes out a a few condoms to each student I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[davmat787]

as long as the teacher passes out a a few condoms to each student I don't see anything wrong with it.

Ribbed or studded? What about dental dams?

 

[DominionSeraph]

I don't get why you are trying to make this an ideological/partisan argument out of this either. Makes it harder to see your point when you do so,

This is P&N. The quality of the posters here is so low that it is not worth it to put any work into things.

I've been on boards where I've put 8 hours straight into constructing a single paragraph. It is worth it to put such effort into things when it has been established that you're going to get a well thought out, deep reply.
Here all you get is a bunch of retards spouting their unsupported opinions. Their quality is SO low that there is no easy way to correct them -- they have gone wrong from a VERY early point and to bring them up to speed would require you to reteach them concepts starting from elementary school.

I could spend months of work on one poster, getting him up to the bare minimum of competence, but then what would that do? The people here don't have the IQ to actually think well. I would have to painstakingly lead them every step of the way through anything even remotely advanced.
Being someone's mental caretaker is not my idea of fun, so instead I just throw insults from my exceedingly lofty position at the monkeys mucking about in ignorance below. At least that's has some mild degree of entertainment value now and again.

 

[davmat787]

This is P&N. The quality of the posters here is so low that it is not worth it to put any work into things.

I've been on boards where I've put 8 hours straight into constructing a single paragraph. It is worth it to put such effort into things when it has been established that you're going to get a well thought out, deep reply.
Here all you get is a bunch of retards spouting their unsupported opinions. Their quality is SO low that there is no easy way to correct them -- they have gone wrong from a VERY early point and to bring them up to speed would require you to reteach them concepts starting from elementary school.

I could spend months of work on one poster, getting him up to the bare minimum of competence, but then what would that do? The people here don't have the IQ to actually think well. I would have to painstakingly lead them every step of the way through anything even remotely advanced.
Being someone's mental caretaker is not my idea of fun, so instead I just throw insults from my exceedingly lofty position at the monkeys mucking about in ignorance below. At least that's has some mild degree of entertainment value now and again.

Ones intelligence is relative, not absolute, and if you are truly as smart as you think, you would realize what this implies to your own intelligence and wouldn't have made this post.

See Hubris.

 

[boomerang]

Guys, know what you're dealing with here.

The most intelligent guy at the forums typically posts things like this.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31312220&postcount=1

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Guys, know what you're dealing with here.

The most intelligent guy at the forums typically posts things like this.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31312220&postcount=1

I wonder how many hours he put into that post? Finding the right ponies can be difficult ya know.

 

[boomerang]

I wonder how many hours he put into that post? Finding the right ponies can be difficult ya know.

LOL!

 

[davmat787]

I would also argue that the more intelligent one is, the more brevity one uses.

"Brevity is the soul of wit definition

Intelligent speech and writing should aim at using few words. This proverb comes from the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Brevity+is+the+soul+of+wit

 

[davmat787]

Guys, know what you're dealing with here.

The most intelligent guy at the forums typically posts things like this.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31312220&postcount=1

Wait, DS is behind the pony thing?!?

I guess that makes sense actually, nevermind.

 

[boomerang]

Wait, DS is behind the pony thing?!?

I guess that makes sense actually, nevermind.

Be careful - seriously. The ban stick follows in his wake.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Ones intelligence is relative, not absolute, and if you are truly as smart as you think, you would realize what this implies to your own intelligence and wouldn't have made this post.

Wrong. Intelligence is an absolute. My mental capacity doesn't change based on where I am or what I am measured against. Ranking may change, as may the measuring stick, but that ain't what you said.

You need to check yourself better if you want to play in my league.

See Hubris.

See: Boring.
Do better. Find an angle with some purchase. That one has nothing.
I can destroy the rabble here. That is a simple fact. I would prefer it if they were at my level, but they are not. Their models are marked Fisher-Price®, and such cannot stimulate me intellectually.

Just give up. While you may wish to test yourself against me, I'm not particularly interested in testing you, for there isn't much point in valuing you. Even if you were to be so high as to be my twin this is still P&N -- a place where the quality of discussion actually manages to be lower than /b/. We could accomplish nothing here. The soil is barren. No seed will ever take. This is not a place where you can be a big fish in a small pond, for the other posters aren't fish, they are simply pollution -- pollution that will choke off the oxygen to any functioning brain.

That's not a brush-off. If you wish to test, I will preen in the light and judge you by how expertly you wield your light of discovery. I'm just saying that I've already seen the other side. Whether or not you disappoint, there is nothing but blandness there. P&N is shit and as such is nothing but my occasional dumping ground. The particulars of how I perceive you will not change that.

 

[OCGuy]

Wow this country is rather sexually sheltered for a Western country.

Actually, I take that back. We pretend to be sheltered. These parents are pretending their kids arent coming home and looking at Asian squirt porn on the family Gateway in the living room, crusting up dirty tube-socks.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I would also argue that the more intelligent one is, the more brevity one uses.

^...more brief one is.

"...use more brevity," is pretty awkward. "Use greater (less) [(words) (in sentence)]."

Intelligent speech and writing should aim at using few words.

It doesn't serve to define a concept, though. The fewer words you use, the more you have left to assumption.
A complex concept can be symbolized by a single word, but that doesn't mean one uttering the word has grasped the full concept or that one hearing the word has grasped its meaning.

I'm a philosopher. I will continue to stretch my mind without artificial boundaries. Narrowness doesn't serve me -- dogma hinders recalculation of the component parts. I'll leave the reconstruction to the linguists.

Try again, niblet. "Sayings" aren't gonna cut it.
I have delved into the heart of reality. You haven't yet touched the surface. You have a loooong dive ahead of you if you wish to reach to where I sit.
So dive. But with more care this time. Feel out your position. Know your surroundings -- trace them out. You cannot progress if you do not know where you are and how you are oriented.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

For boomerang and the rest of you idiots out there, lets make a one word riddle, take a bunch of 16-18 year olds and ask them what they think about when they hear the word "penetration".

Now realise that all of them are going to admit that the first thought was sexual or they'd be lying.

Should all teacher refrain from using the word because of that? Put it in a context and it can be sexual or not...

THAT is what this test was about, it's about how we think, thats psychology and for an AP class you can't use a better example for instinctual vs socialised thinking than the one he used.

Was that edgy? Not as edgy as "penetration", the very description of the sexual act or perhaps not...

BAN THE WORDS! THEY MAKE OUR CHILDREN THINK ABOUT SEX!

 

[JS80]

I got 5/14 on the quiz. 2, 7, 8, 13, and 14.

lol @ how this turned into an anti-conservative hate on Christians thread

 

[JS80]

Really? You think our education system is inundated with bad teachers? That's a little absurd, isn't it?

Not absurd at all considering only 82% of schools are considered failing http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gPmjfDMN5nHOpeSIZYLwkVfKAHGQ

 

[TheDoc9]

You're not terribly qualified to determine what does and doesn't have educational value, as evidenced by you thinking this quiz does nothing but make them "giggle about penises and vaginas". These aren't 6th-graders that took the quiz. It's 16-18yo's who took an AP class. AP classes, especially in psychology, aren't generally populated by those who "giggle about penises and vaginas".



Hyperbole, it's what's for dinner.

These aren't 6th graders true, but there needs to be limits. And there's a reason, without limits people fall apart. This is why good parents set limits and have some discipline. I'm not talking about spanking or dominating children, I'm talking about telling them and showing them the consequences.

Yes they were 16-18, and yes, they can see 1000x worse on the internet. This is about public and human decency - that's how I see it. Treating these people with respect and not delving into the lewd sexual fantasies of adolescents high on hormones - this is what the op is really about. I know this sounds old fashioned to some people, but it's the right thing.

For example: these young people are free to go home and have a gang bang. In the public domain, around others, you're respecting your peers enough not to bring that up.

 

[Kadarin]

With these kinds of articles, they always find the uptight parent who thinks the professor went too far; they never find the rational one who thinks the story is ridiculous and that those same uptight people need to lighten up and get laid more.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

These aren't 6th graders true, but there needs to be limits. And there's a reason, without limits people fall apart. This is why good parents set limits and have some discipline. I'm not talking about spanking or dominating children, I'm talking about telling them and showing them the consequences.

Yes they were 16-18, and yes, they can see 1000x worse on the internet. This is about public and human decency - that's how I see it. Treating these people with respect and not delving into the lewd sexual fantasies of adolescents high on hormones - this is what the op is really about. I know this sounds old fashioned to some people, but it's the right thing.

For example: these young people are free to go home and have a gang bang. In the public domain, around others, you're respecting your peers enough not to bring that up.

Again "penetration" should be a forbidden word to use?

Ask any 16-18 year old what they think of when they hear the word...

This isn't about lewd sexual fantasies, this is how the mind works, how strange that they should make a test about how the mind works in an AP psychology class, eh?