Hillary Clinton exclusively used personal emails at st dpt

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boomerang

Lifer
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Apparantly Clinton's spending twenty five years standing in front of the rightwing shit nozzle wasn't enough for you? I'd rather she not run as she is far too conservative for my taste but to claim the media has been handling her with gloves is ridiculous.
My reference was too obscure - something I'm too often guilty of. I was referring the powers that be that are slowly releasing the dirt they have on her attempting to keep her out of the race. They are working smarter than is typical. Instead of blowing their load all at once, they are dribbling it out just fast enough to keep her gasping for breath. At this point she's got to be wondering just how much they have on her.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I guess I have to re quote you and bold the part I was referring to.

Because that worked so well with Benghazi? Because there is no history of these people purposefully destroying email records and trying to prevent their recovery. Because Hillary didn't use her personal account because she forgot her work email password. This is a willful and deliberate attempt to obstruct justice and possibly destroy or withhold evidence.

Justice should not rely on Hillary's staff deciding which emails to turn over and/or her email not getting hacked and national secrets being leaked.

This is not much ado about nothing.



Your conspiracy isn't based on reality let alone facts.
 

Fern

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In the case of Powell and Rice email was just being accepted as part of everyday communication so I would give both of them a pass.

Rules were more explicitly defined by the time we got to Clinton

Ummm, just so you know - the Clinton Admin was BEFORE Powell and Rice served (in the Bush II admin).

Fern
 
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My reference was too obscure - something I'm too often guilty of. I was referring the powers that be that are slowly releasing the dirt they have on her attempting to keep her out of the race. They are working smarter than is typical. Instead of blowing their load all at once, they are dribbling it out just fast enough to keep her gasping for breath. At this point she's got to be wondering just how much they have on her.

Yep, 30 years under the microscope as Gov's wife, President's wife, US Senator, US Sec of State and, accusations of murder, drug dealing, financial and legal malfeasance, adultery, Chelsae's father is Vice Foster/Web Hubble, blah, blah, blah, have not been in vain. The *real* scandal is just about to be revealed. Any day now I tell ya. Any day now...
 

emperus

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Not a fan of Hilary. But I think people should wait for more reporting on this story. Hearing the Reporter who wrote the piece's interview on Morning Joe didn't inspire much confidence in what he wrote and why he wrote it.

A report by Michael Tomasky in The Daily Beast, however, cast a heavy dose of skepticism over the Times' reporting on the regulation that required officials to preserve email communications. A State Department official told Tomasky that employees were told in October 2014 that personal email should generally not be used for government business, but if it is, communications must be forwarded to a government account in order to be appropriately preserved. Clinton left the Department prior to that, in February of 2013, however.
"So if these new regulations went into effect after she left State, then what rule did she violate, exactly? And, if this is true, why did the Times not share this rather crucial piece of information with its readers? No one could possibly argue that this fact isn’t germane to the story. It’s absolutely central to it. Why would the Times leave it out?" wrote Tomasky.
Media Matters, a liberal watchdog group whose chairman David Brock is a top Clinton ally, echoed the sentiment by noting that President Barack Obama only amended the Presidential and Federal Records Act on November 26, 2014. "Among the 'major points' in the 2014 law highlighted by the National Archives was: 'Clarifying the responsibilities of Federal government officials when using non-government email systems,'" the group wrote. Bloomberg also followed up Tuesday, writing that the "measure wasn’t in effect when Clinton served in the administration."
Clinton's email account was hosted on a personalized domain, clintonemail.com, and was reportedly registered on the day of her confirmation hearing in January 2009. While former Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account to conduct some official business, current Secretary of State John Kerry is the first department chief to primarily use his government account.
 

Triumph

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I find it laughable that an entire organization such as the State Department would not have an email network set up and an account attached to everyone in the department, that would require them to use said network for official duties. The DOD has had this set up for years, at least 10, and they routinely deal with a similar level of sensitive but unclassified information. The idea that the SECRETARY, who has the most access to all of the sensitive information within the entire department, would be able to engage in government business from a private account, is just ludicrous.

Note that this is NOT the same network that is, or should be, used for classified distributions.
 

emperus

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I read she hosted the email account from her servers in her house? WTF? That is absolutely crazy at how insecure that is.
 

Zargon

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Not a fan of Hilary. But I think people should wait for more reporting on this story. Hearing the Reporter who wrote the piece's interview on Morning Joe didn't inspire much confidence in what he wrote and why he wrote it.


yeah it looks like the real scandal is that the state depts. rules are so lax and terrible
 

PokerGuy

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yeah it looks like the real scandal is that the state depts. rules are so lax and terrible

Yeah, they are lax and terrible, but it certainly doesn't explain why one would set up their own home email server to handle all activity outside of retention and review availability of official servers. Transparency my butt.
 

piasabird

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I think I remember when Bill Clinton had this session on TV or whatever when he was conversing with people on the Internet and it was revealed he had never used the Internet. You people have very limited memory.
 

chucky2

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Wasn't that Bush I who didn't know how to go through a grocery line, or had no clue what a gallon of milk cost, something like that?

Anyways, seems to me this is just an intentional leak to clear out something embarrassing for a POTUS run. Get it out there now, get it murky enough where it can't be used to drum up anything newly negative during debates. More political theater for the masses...
 

piasabird

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PokerGuy

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I think I remember when Bill Clinton had this session on TV or whatever when he was conversing with people on the Internet and it was revealed he had never used the Internet. You people have very limited memory.

Someone being out of touch or not using common modern technology is not the same as someone deliberately taking steps to avoid requirements that documents be available and retrievable. The bottom line is that she did just what some of the GOP'ers did before -- use 'private' email outside the government email to try and avoid any kind of document retention or paper trail of some of their activities.
 

ivwshane

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I read she hosted the email account from her servers in her house? WTF? That is absolutely crazy at how insecure that is.

Apparently it's rather common as jeb bush did the same thing. I don't understand it myself but whatever.

It looks like at most clinton violated archiving rules by not storing copies of her emails on government servers. Apparently until 2014 it was ok to use a non government email system so long as certain rules were followed.

This story appears to be fizzling.
 

emperus

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Apparently it's rather common as jeb bush did the same thing. I don't understand it myself but whatever.

It looks like at most clinton violated archiving rules by not storing copies of her emails on government servers. Apparently until 2014 it was ok to use a non government email system so long as certain rules were followed.

This story appears to be fizzling.

But it goes into why I like neither Hilary Clinton or Jeb Bush. Just follow the spirit of the law. Esp. when there are security issues involved.
 

werepossum

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Rumor has it that Hillary will announce her candidacy next month. Another month to release more dirt. It's all meaningless anyway. The public is too stupid to pay attention and will vote for her no matter what. Hell, in a recent street survey, when told that Obama was endorsing an "economic adviser to the Obama administration for many years" Karl Marx for president, the majority of respondents were all for it.
Yep. Hillary's supporters mostly want her to lie to them and break the law. Just as long as it's for their own good, of course.

Kudos to the NYT for reporting it. Kudos to Shane for not excusing it. Other than that, meh; we're largely beyond powerful public officials being in any way accountable to the public or to the law except for taking direct bribes. This will not change if and when the Pubbies get into the White House.
 

werepossum

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I read she hosted the email account from her servers in her house? WTF? That is absolutely crazy at how insecure that is.
I have a huge problem with what she did (and with State in general) but is this really that insecure? Surely Secret Service continually mans her house (to avoid someone slipping in to plant a command-detonated bomb) and also monitors the security of her phone and data lines. Physically this is probably more secure than at State, where many people would have physical access to the server.
 

Jhhnn

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Apparently it's rather common as jeb bush did the same thing. I don't understand it myself but whatever.

It looks like at most clinton violated archiving rules by not storing copies of her emails on government servers. Apparently until 2014 it was ok to use a non government email system so long as certain rules were followed.

This story appears to be fizzling.

As it should. She had a choice- to exercise total information control over her emails or leave them for every fringewhack Hillary hater in the country to later quote selectively & use for their own purposes. She chose wisely.

Security? Mission Accomplished!
 

Jhhnn

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I read she hosted the email account from her servers in her house? WTF? That is absolutely crazy at how insecure that is.

Yep. Hillary's supporters mostly want her to lie to them and break the law. Just as long as it's for their own good, of course.

Kudos to the NYT for reporting it. Kudos to Shane for not excusing it. Other than that, meh; we're largely beyond powerful public officials being in any way accountable to the public or to the law except for taking direct bribes. This will not change if and when the Pubbies get into the White House.

The physical location of the server is unknown. It could be in Iceland, part of an array in a data center for all we know.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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As it should. She had a choice- to exercise total information control over her emails or leave them for every fringewhack Hillary hater in the country to later quote selectively & use for their own purposes. She chose wisely.

Security? Mission Accomplished!

Yeah that may be true but the choice should never, ever, be up to a politician to decide. Do you removed the lost email from the bush admin? Did you blow that off? There is no reason why someone who controls their emails couldn't "lose" important emails that at be embarrassing or detrimental to them. Why even tempt someone with that power?

I doubt clinton did anything wrong but if you excuse her behavior then you are excusing future behavior and the next time it happens it may not be someone on "your" team.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Issa a long, hot Summer ahead of us.

Those who cry wolf tend to be ignored. The Clinton's have had so many "scandals" that never panned out that any political calculus she thought she was using to avoid yet another "scandal" has only leant to the credence of the wolf criers.
 

Slew Foot

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Bu...but...but...... Abraham Lincoln didnt use a government email either!!!!!!

The evil republicans were first!!!!
 
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