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Jhhnn

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Yeah that may be true but the choice should never, ever, be up to a politician to decide. Do you removed the lost email from the bush admin? Did you blow that off? There is no reason why someone who controls their emails couldn't "lose" important emails that at be embarrassing or detrimental to them. Why even tempt someone with that power?

I doubt clinton did anything wrong but if you excuse her behavior then you are excusing future behavior and the next time it happens it may not be someone on "your" team.

She played by the rules. So did the Bushistas. Neither committed any crime. Well, not wrt email, anyway.

And, remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
 

werepossum

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Issa a long, hot Summer ahead of us.
lol

The physical location of the server is unknown. It could be in Iceland, part of an array in a data center for all we know.
It says she hosted it from her home. If that doesn't mean the server is in her home, then it doesn't mean anything, since a server can be administered from literally anywhere with a link.
 

senseamp

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So we may actually have a progressive candidate in 2016? Sweet.
Brian Schweitzer, get in there
 

PokerGuy

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She played by the rules. So did the Bushistas. Neither committed any crime. Well, not wrt email, anyway.

Doing something wrong doesn't necessarily mean breaking the law. If you break the law you could be subject to criminal charges etc, but as a politician if you do bad things regardless of the legal status you can be held accountable by the public in other ways. Weiner didn't do anything illegal by sending pics of his weiner, but it cost him his career.

What Hillary did was just another example of lying deceitful behavior, trying to hide official government conduct from her employers (that would be us, the people). It was bad when the gop'ers did it, and it's bad when Hillary does it.

If the public held more politicians accountable for doing bad things regardless of legality and team (party), we'd have a much better set of leaders for sure.
 

boomerang

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This didn't work out so good for Patraeus. But punishment for mishandling of classified material should cross both political and gender boundaries. Will it?
 

boomerang

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If the public held more politicians accountable for doing bad things regardless of legality and team (party), we'd have a much better set of leaders for sure.
The public is pretty much powerless when it comes to these decisions. Politicians decide which politicians will be prosecuted and the extent of their punishment. IMO it's unrealistic to expect politicians to drain their own swamp to paraphrase madame Pelosi.
 

ultimatebob

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That said; yes, she should have used a government e-mail for government business.

If I knew that every e-mail I ever wrote was going to be scrutinized for wrongdoing by legions of Republicans rooting for me to fail, I would probably use a privately hosted mail server as well!

This is one of those "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situations.
 

ultimatebob

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Hillary Clinton set up an email server in her own home?

If Hillary was actually had enough IT savvy to set up and secure her own e-mail server, I'd vote for her in a second. It's about time we had a politician who understands the technology they are trying to regulate.

The real question is who set up the server for her, and did they follow the DOD security guidelines when they did so.
 

PokerGuy

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If I knew that every e-mail I ever wrote was going to be scrutinized for wrongdoing by legions of Republicans rooting for me to fail, I would probably use a privately hosted mail server as well!

If you are afraid of your actions being scrutinized, then don't take a job where your actions are going to be under a microscope and where there are regulations requiring the documents to be retained. Simple. Saying "yes, I'll do the job, but I'll hide all the emails of the stuff I don't want anyone to know I was engaged in while in my official capacity" is not acceptable -- for anyone, including Hillary.
 

rudeguy

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If you are afraid of your actions being scrutinized, then don't take a job where your actions are going to be under a microscope and where there are regulations requiring the documents to be retained. Simple. Saying "yes, I'll do the job, but I'll hide all the emails of the stuff I don't want anyone to know I was engaged in while in my official capacity" is not acceptable -- for anyone, including Hillary.

100% agree
 

cabri

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One should wonder about the incompetence of the people in the Obama administration to not notice that emails received/transmitted to her were not .gov

Unless they were encrypted; they had the ability to be exposed.
 

Jhhnn

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If you are afraid of your actions being scrutinized, then don't take a job where your actions are going to be under a microscope and where there are regulations requiring the documents to be retained. Simple. Saying "yes, I'll do the job, but I'll hide all the emails of the stuff I don't want anyone to know I was engaged in while in my official capacity" is not acceptable -- for anyone, including Hillary.

You begin from a false premise, that regulations required documents to be retained. That only applies after Hillary left office, not during her tenure. The same applies to the Bushistas.

I agree that new regs demanding records retention are desirable, but that doesn't mean you can change the past to conform to the present.
 

Jhhnn

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If Hillary was actually had enough IT savvy to set up and secure her own e-mail server, I'd vote for her in a second. It's about time we had a politician who understands the technology they are trying to regulate.

The real question is who set up the server for her, and did they follow the DOD security guidelines when they did so.

Looks like another Birther/Benghazi/IRS conspiracy theory rabbit hole to me. It no longer matters, given regs currently in place.
 

werepossum

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If you are afraid of your actions being scrutinized, then don't take a job where your actions are going to be under a microscope and where there are regulations requiring the documents to be retained. Simple. Saying "yes, I'll do the job, but I'll hide all the emails of the stuff I don't want anyone to know I was engaged in while in my official capacity" is not acceptable -- for anyone, including Hillary.
Well said, sir.

I can't even remember a time when VIPs did not do exactly those things about which they bitterly complained.

Probably more secure then GOV system, wasn't in the Snowden release was it?
Doesn't affect the legality or propriety, but that is a good point.
 

unokitty

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Hillary Clinton, 2007
Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps, the secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts....It’s a stunning record of secrecy and corruption, of cronyism run amok. It is everything our founders were afraid of, everything our Constitution was designed to prevent.

The nice thing about the Clintons is that you never have to disagree with them.

All you have to do is wait for the political situation to change.

And you'll discover that they are on both sides...

Uno
 

PokerGuy

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Hillary Clinton, 2007


The nice thing about the Clintons is that you never have to disagree with them.

All you have to do is wait for the political situation to change.

And you'll discover that they are on both sides...

Uno

Can't wait to see slick Willy... Hilly tapdance around that question. Why was it shredding the constitution in 2007 and then it was fine when you did it? I'm sure there will be some carefully crafted BS political reply, but the reality is she's a two faced liar like most other politicians.
 
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