Hillary Clinton tells friends she's leaving 2020 door open

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realibrad

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Oh now we are talking about murder and not elections? I guess some elections aren't really elections now, according to you.

So let me see if I understand your quibble correctly here:

Hillary's election loss was different because it was a different election than past elections.
Petty crime doesn't equal murder therefore an election doesn't equal an election because they are different.


LOL! Seriously, fuck off. No, seriously.

You do realize that while all were elections, some had/have different impacts right? Just as both sealing a candy bar and murder are crimes, they are not equal crimes. Thus losing to Bush is different than losing to Trump.

Do you not understand that? Its very simple.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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You do realize that while all were elections, some had/have different impacts right? Just as both sealing a candy bar and murder are crimes, they are not equal crimes. Thus losing to Bush is different than losing to Trump.

Do you not understand that? Its very simple.

Hold the phones! Losing to Bush is different than losing to trump?! If I said, "no shit!", will you spend the next five pages quibbling over something no one said or implied?
 

realibrad

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Hold the phones! Losing to Bush is different than losing to trump?! If I said, "no shit!", will you spend the next five pages quibbling over something no one said or implied?

If you said that, then what are you disagreeing with me about? Why are you accusing me of quibbling when you are the one that disagreed with me?

Did you honestly forget what happened? You disagreed with me saying things were different. Remember?
 

Vic

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Right. But, there is disagreement as to why those on the left might be upset with her.
Well.. I, for one at least, am not really interested that the far right is hoping like crazy for the far left to prove Dark Helmet right again.
 

realibrad

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Well.. I, for one at least, am not really interested that the far right is hoping like crazy for the far left to prove Dark Helmet right again.

So, it was 2018 that I finally sat down and watched Spaceballs all the way through. I think up until that point I had watched maybe 20% of that movie.
 

Vic

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So, it was 2018 that I finally sat down and watched Spaceballs all the way through. I think up until that point I had watched maybe 20% of that movie.
I don't know why you waited so long, but I hope you got the reference.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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If you said that, then what are you disagreeing with me about? Why are you accusing me of quibbling when you are the one that disagreed with me?

Did you honestly forget what happened? You disagreed with me saying things were different. Remember?

You really are fucking stupid.

I remember the conversation just fine as it can still be accessed by all to see. Do you remember your claim, quibbles?

Eskimospy said no one told gore or Kerry to go away after their loss and you claimed it wasn't the same thing. I then pointed out how they were the similar and then you claimed they were different because reasons.

You don't have an argument other than to try and save face for, once again, saying something stupid and provably wrong. All the stupid analogies and quibbling won't change that fact.
 

realibrad

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You really are fucking stupid.

I remember the conversation just fine as it can still be accessed by all to see. Do you remember your claim, quibbles?

Eskimospy said no one told gore or Kerry to go away after their loss and you claimed it wasn't the same thing. I then pointed out how they were the similar and then you claimed they were different because reasons.

You don't have an argument other than to try and save face for, once again, saying something stupid and provably wrong. All the stupid analogies and quibbling won't change that fact.

I gave the reasons. Why would you pretend I did not? How could I quibble and not give reasons. You are being logically inconsistent.

The reason people did not tell Gore or Kerry to go away was because their losses against Bush were not as bad as the loss against Trump. Do you need me to link back to that in the other posts?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I gave the reasons. Why would you pretend I did not? How could I quibble and not give reasons. You are being logically inconsistent.

The reason people did not tell Gore or Kerry to go away was because their losses against Bush were not as bad as the loss against Trump. Do you need me to link back to that in the other posts?

Yes quibbler, please explain how their loss wasn't as bad. Was it because gore lost by having more than 500k votes more than Bush or because it had to be decided by courts because that's much worse than being decided by the electoral college? Or was it because bush was seen as the dumbest president in our history who presided over the worst attack on our country and that was a giant nothing burger along with his disastrous handling of Katrina? Is that why they weren't as bad?

Btw, repeating that their loss wasn't as bad is not giving reasons or supporting your claim.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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Yes quibbler, please explain how their loss wasn't as bad. Was it because gore lost by having more than 500k votes more than Bush or because it had to be decided by courts because that's much worse than being decided by the electoral college? Or was it because bush was seen as the dumbest president in our history who presided over the worst attack on our country and that was a giant nothing burger along with his disastrous handling of Katrina? Is that why they weren't as bad?

Btw, repeating that their loss wasn't as bad is not giving reasons or supporting your claim.

"Again, its not the same. The loss to Bush was felt very differently than the loss to Trump. If you are unaware of this, then you are likely unable to understand any further discussion. Hillary is tainted by her loss in ways that Gore and Kerry were not. Her loss was much bigger because Trump was much worse."

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You do realize that while all were elections, some had/have different impacts right? Just as both sealing a candy bar and murder are crimes, they are not equal crimes. Thus losing to Bush is different than losing to Trump.

Do you not understand that? Its very simple."

My position is centered around the perceived impact. Are you now trying to argue that Bush was worse than Trump?
 

ivwshane

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My position is centered around the perceived impact. Are you now trying to argue that Bush was worse than Trump?

No you stupid fuck. I was arguing they were similar. How is it that you can never argue honestly?

I'll point out, again, that claiming something and then backing up that claim by repeating the claim isn't actually backing it up. You claiming the "perceived" impact was different doesn't make it different.

But please go on, I know you can do five pages of bullshit, its your specialty. You've got no shame in your game and I can only assume you like making a fool of yourself.
 

Sonikku

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I don't care for her. Though while I knew Trump would be a bad president, I do find it ironic how he is living up to being all the things he accused Hillary and Obama of being. "The clinton foundation is a sham!" Two years later he closes his own foundation he was using as a slush fund. "Hillary's beholden to the Saudis!" Well, yeah. We all know how that one panned out.
 

realibrad

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No you stupid fuck. I was arguing they were similar. How is it that you can never argue honestly?

You were originally, but, then you shifted. Remember this?

Hold the phones! Losing to Bush is different than losing to trump?! If I said, "no shit!", will you spend the next five pages quibbling over something no one said or implied?

What a strange response from you.

I'll point out, again, that claiming something and then backing up that claim by repeating the claim isn't actually backing it up. You claiming the "perceived" impact was different doesn't make it different.

But please go on, I know you can do five pages of bullshit, its your specialty. You've got no shame in your game and I can only assume you like making a fool of yourself.

This is why I asked you if you thought Bush was worse than Trump. You avoided that answer of course, because if you did answer it honestly you would find that you were supporting my position. But hey, I know you could never do that, so Ill leave it for know. Just know that I know.

First lets look at approval rating. Trump by far has the lowest approval rating of any president at this stage. Why is that?

Then, remember the people on the Left in this thread that do not want her to run again. Why do you think that is?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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You were originally, but, then you shifted. Remember this?



What a strange response from you.



This is why I asked you if you thought Bush was worse than Trump. You avoided that answer of course, because if you did answer it honestly you would find that you were supporting my position. But hey, I know you could never do that, so Ill leave it for know. Just know that I know.

First lets look at approval rating. Trump by far has the lowest approval rating of any president at this stage. Why is that?

Then, remember the people on the Left in this thread that do not want her to run again. Why do you think that is?

I guess you are too stupid to get sarcasm.

I answered your question, you just didn't like the response because you cannot argue honestly. Its ok, its what you do. Its why you are using the president's current polling numbers to describe sentiment from two years ago when he defeated a candidate who also had low poll numbers.

Stay in school kid, or better yet, find a job where you work with your hands.
 

realibrad

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I guess you are too stupid to get sarcasm.

I answered your question, you just didn't like the response because you cannot argue honestly. Its ok, its what you do. Its why you are using the president's current polling numbers to describe sentiment from two years ago when he defeated a candidate who also had low poll numbers.

Stay in school kid, or better yet, find a job where you work with your hands.

What about the sentiments of others in this thread? Are they too being dishonest? Are you willing to shit on their opinions too?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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What about the sentiments of others in this thread? Are they too being dishonest? Are you willing to shit on their opinions too?

What other opinions? The ones that think she shouldn't run? I agree with them. The difference is that I understand such claims that she is running to be bullshit and simply more fodder for the base to get out and vote.

I'm glad you finally recognized how idiotic your claim was that telling Clinton to go away and not telling past candidates to do the same was different because the election was different. It only took you, what, 3? 4? pages?
 

realibrad

Lifer
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What other opinions? The ones that think she shouldn't run? I agree with them. The difference is that I understand such claims that she is running to be bullshit and simply more fodder for the base to get out and vote.

I'm glad you finally recognized how idiotic your claim was that telling Clinton to go away and not telling past candidates to do the same was different because the election was different. It only took you, what, 3? 4? pages?

Its funny how you accuse me of being dishonest and or dense, but, you keep at it.

No, I still stand by my position that telling Hillary to go away come from the fact that her loss to Trump is different than the loss to Bush. The Loss to Trump upset people far more and nobody is willing to chance it again because the stakes are too high.

You also believe she should not run because the stakes are too high, which is why its so weird to see you failing about.

So, do you want Hillary to run again? Why not? <--- Bet you cant answer those without supporting my position.
 
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