Hillary Clinton will increase taxes for the middle class

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
We need to cut spending, we are running huge deficits courtesy of Dub.

Fixed! :thumbsup:

GOP had ample opportunity to do so. Instead they signed us up for Iraq and pharma spending.You can thank them for the tax hike.

So now you don't like spending money on healthcare?

If we get Universal Health Care are you going to complain about money going to big medical?

If the law bans the government from negotiating prices, HELL YES.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
No, it's called responsibility; I do believe some of my tax dollars do actually help upholding this freaking country that we're living in. Some of those might be misspent, but I do see roads being fixed, public utilities and facilities and programs that help unfortunate people, etc... Those I don't use any of it, but I understand the cause behind taxation. If anyone should be bitching, it's people like me, not you.

You don't see me with four kids (which would grant me all these "tax credits" and "deductions") and come on to an internet forum spreading FUD and spinning what's a presidential candidate said.

Taxes are great, I love having the government confiscate half my income, because you know roads and public utilities...

All these complainers, they hate society. They hate America and our great politicians!

(we have a case of Stockholm)

 

[SSSnail]

Eh no. I don't like paying taxes as much as the next guy, but I understand why it's a necessity. My point is that if you don't contribute, kindly STFU because you're not part of the solution, let alone cry about it.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: SSSnail
No, it's called responsibility; I do believe some of my tax dollars do actually help upholding this freaking country that we're living in. Some of those might be misspent, but I do see roads being fixed, public utilities and facilities and programs that help unfortunate people, etc... Those I don't use any of it, but I understand the cause behind taxation. If anyone should be bitching, it's people like me, not you.

You don't see me with four kids (which would grant me all these "tax credits" and "deductions") and come on to an internet forum spreading FUD and spinning what's a presidential candidate said.

Taxes are great, I love having the government confiscate half my income, because you know roads and public utilities...

All these complainers, they hate society. They hate America and our great politicians!

(we have a case of Stockholm)

You're free to move to low tax country like Somalia or Guatemala, I hear it's nice this time of year.

 

[IronWing]

The OP shows the need to end the breeding subsidy.

 

[spittledip]

So what income brackets will be affected by this return to 1999 tax levels? Any links?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: SSSnail
No, it's called responsibility; I do believe some of my tax dollars do actually help upholding this freaking country that we're living in. Some of those might be misspent, but I do see roads being fixed, public utilities and facilities and programs that help unfortunate people, etc... Those I don't use any of it, but I understand the cause behind taxation. If anyone should be bitching, it's people like me, not you.

You don't see me with four kids (which would grant me all these "tax credits" and "deductions") and come on to an internet forum spreading FUD and spinning what's a presidential candidate said.

Taxes are great, I love having the government confiscate half my income, because you know roads and public utilities...

All these complainers, they hate society. They hate America and our great politicians!

(we have a case of Stockholm)

You're free to move to low tax country like Somalia or Guatemala, I hear it's nice this time of year.

So low taxes turn people tribal?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: marincounty
You're free to move to low tax country like Somalia or Guatemala, I hear it's nice this time of year.

If you intend to impose your will on a land of 300 million, the people have the right of secession and will take it for their own interests. Instead of working for your interests.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: SSSnail
No, it's called responsibility; I do believe some of my tax dollars do actually help upholding this freaking country that we're living in. Some of those might be misspent, but I do see roads being fixed, public utilities and facilities and programs that help unfortunate people, etc... Those I don't use any of it, but I understand the cause behind taxation. If anyone should be bitching, it's people like me, not you.

You don't see me with four kids (which would grant me all these "tax credits" and "deductions") and come on to an internet forum spreading FUD and spinning what's a presidential candidate said.

Taxes are great, I love having the government confiscate half my income, because you know roads and public utilities...

All these complainers, they hate society. They hate America and our great politicians!

(we have a case of Stockholm)

You're free to move to low tax country like Somalia or Guatemala, I hear it's nice this time of year.

So low taxes turn people tribal?

Nor does Guatemala have low taxes. Its main government problem is corruption.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: spittledip
So what income brackets will be affected by this return to 1999 tax levels? Any links?

Hard to get an exact answer.

But here is a great chart link
The Bush tax cuts went fully into place in 2003 so you can look at 2008 and compare the rates to 2001 to see how going back to those rates would effect people.

Unless they pass a law to keep the 25% rate where it is at anyone making over $32,000 would see a tax increase.

Here is a guess at what you would see:
$32,000 would see their rate go from 25 to 27.5
$78,000 would see their rate go from 28 to 30.5
$164,500 would see their rate go from 33 to 35.5
over $357,000 would see their rate from from 35 to 39.1

The OP claims to have a gross $85,000 which puts him in the current 28% range.
So he would see his rate go to 30.5% a 2.5% increase.

2.5% of $85,000 is an increase of $2125

 

[Moonbeam]

The Us can go fucking bankrupt for all I care, if I can't have my vacation. I'm entitled to a fucking vacation, god damn it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Us can go fucking bankrupt for all I care, if I can't have my vacation. I'm entitled to a fucking vacation, god damn it.

So Moonbeam, where is the barcode on your skin to identify you as government property to do with as it pleases?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Us can go fucking bankrupt for all I care, if I can't have my vacation. I'm entitled to a fucking vacation, god damn it.

So Moonbeam, where is the barcode on your skin to identify you as government property to do with as it pleases?

Because clearly those are the only two options :roll:

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Us can go fucking bankrupt for all I care, if I can't have my vacation. I'm entitled to a fucking vacation, god damn it.

So Moonbeam, where is the barcode on your skin to identify you as government property to do with as it pleases?

Because clearly those are the only two options :roll:

Do you think the state currently has any real limits as to what it can do?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Us can go fucking bankrupt for all I care, if I can't have my vacation. I'm entitled to a fucking vacation, god damn it.

So Moonbeam, where is the barcode on your skin to identify you as government property to do with as it pleases?

Because clearly those are the only two options :roll:

Do you think the state currently has any real limits as to what it can do?

um, yes?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Us can go fucking bankrupt for all I care, if I can't have my vacation. I'm entitled to a fucking vacation, god damn it.

So Moonbeam, where is the barcode on your skin to identify you as government property to do with as it pleases?

Because clearly those are the only two options :roll:

Do you think the state currently has any real limits as to what it can do?

um, yes?

Please explain.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: spittledip
So what income brackets will be affected by this return to 1999 tax levels? Any links?

Hard to get an exact answer.

But here is a great chart link
The Bush tax cuts went fully into place in 2003 so you can look at 2008 and compare the rates to 2001 to see how going back to those rates would effect people.

Unless they pass a law to keep the 25% rate where it is at anyone making over $32,000 would see a tax increase.

Here is a guess at what you would see:
$32,000 would see their rate go from 25 to 27.5
$78,000 would see their rate go from 28 to 30.5
$164,500 would see their rate go from 33 to 35.5
over $357,000 would see their rate from from 35 to 39.1

The OP claims to have a gross $85,000 which puts him in the current 28% range.
So he would see his rate go to 30.5% a 2.5% increase.

2.5% of $85,000 is an increase of $2125

Ah, thanks much for the link and info. Very nice chart! It seems like Hilary hasn't much foresight- if she takes this much money out of each individual/family's pockets, isn't that so much less that will go into our economy? Won't a tax increase be a bad thing for our economy right now?

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: spittledip
So what income brackets will be affected by this return to 1999 tax levels? Any links?

Hard to get an exact answer.

But here is a great chart link
The Bush tax cuts went fully into place in 2003 so you can look at 2008 and compare the rates to 2001 to see how going back to those rates would effect people.

Unless they pass a law to keep the 25% rate where it is at anyone making over $32,000 would see a tax increase.

Here is a guess at what you would see:
$32,000 would see their rate go from 25 to 27.5
$78,000 would see their rate go from 28 to 30.5
$164,500 would see their rate go from 33 to 35.5
over $357,000 would see their rate from from 35 to 39.1

The OP claims to have a gross $85,000 which puts him in the current 28% range.
So he would see his rate go to 30.5% a 2.5% increase.

2.5% of $85,000 is an increase of $2125

Ah, thanks much for the link and info. Very nice chart! It seems like Hilary hasn't much foresight- if she takes this much money out of each individual/family's pockets, isn't that so much less that will go into our economy? Won't a tax increase be a bad thing for our economy right now?

No it would not, and secondly, it wouldn't be right now since it would expire in 2010.
It would be a return to the same tax rates we had in the 90s, which had proven to be just fine for the economy.

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: ironwing
The OP shows the need to end the breeding subsidy.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: Mail5398

Originally posted by: SSSnail
No, it's called responsibility; I do believe some of my tax dollars do actually help upholding this freaking country that we're living in. Some of those might be misspent, but I do see roads being fixed, public utilities and facilities and programs that help unfortunate people, etc... Those I don't use any of it, but I understand the cause behind taxation. If anyone should be bitching, it's people like me, not you.

You don't see me with four kids (which would grant me all these "tax credits" and "deductions") and come on to an internet forum spreading FUD and spinning what's a presidential candidate said.

It's not my fault you are so ugly you can't find anyone.


Money isn't being spent on roads, check out the latest stories on bridge inspections, it is being spent fighting a war we will never win.

LFMAO!!!

Here you are again proving that you're the masster of assumption. But, let's not talk about my philandering life or looks for a minute and shine a spot light on you for a second yeah? How old are you? And why do you have four kids? Is it because it's a trap that you couldn't get out of, or is it because... uh oh... you have to? If you had a choice, you wouldn't have four kids and be married.

Aside from that, your understanding of what's going on in the country, let alone the world is minimal. The money that we're spending needlessly on the war is borrowed money, i.e. on credit (something you're probably used to).

What I don't understand is that while you, a bigger burden to society is taxed less than me, a more productive and a bigger contributor to society is taxed more. Care to explain that? I'd like to see more of your FUD logics.

I hope I misunderstood you and you aren't really this stupid. Are you really saying that people with kids are a bigger burden on society, and that they are less productive and that they contribute less to society than a single person? Wow, great, lets make it illegal to have kids, then we can all contribute more and be more productive, just like you.....:roll:

And please, give up the whole "OMG u have kidz ur tax brakes are so great!!?!?!?!". Those tax breaks don't come anywhere close to cost of having kids, so trust me, even without kids and paying higher taxes, you are pretty far ahead of us evul breeders.

Edit - I realized that I will probably have to spell this out for you. Yes, you, SSSnail pay more in taxes than Mail5398, who has 4 kids and gets some of HIS money back from the government to help with the financial burden of raising 4 children. Oh, but wait, some day, his 4 children will all be adults and more than likely they will also be paying taxes. Now, lets say they each only have 2 children. Now, there are 8 more tax payers.

Lets fast forward 40 years. So while you, SSSnail, paid more in taxes than Mail5398, he has contributed MUCH more to society (because apparently your only measure of how much someone contributes to society is how much they pay in taxes) because he has created 12 more tax payers (4 kids plus 8 grandkids) while you are sitting all alone in a state nursing home because there is no one to take care of you. Obviously, we could keep going and assume that his 8 grandkids will each have 2 kids (28 tax payers total), then they will have 2 kids each (60 tax payers total) etc.... compared to you, a single tax payer. What was that you were saying about someone contributing more to society?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: senseamp
We need to raise taxes, we are running huge deficits courtesy of Dub.

This is why the Dems lose guaranteed elections like 2004. But go ahead, get your message out there, let the middle class know that you will be raising their taxes, I'm sure Hillary will appreciate that. Just make sure you work extra hard before super Tuesday, thanks.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

Originally posted by: ironwing
The OP shows the need to end the breeding subsidy.

It is beneficial to ALL of us to encourage the middle class to have more children. See my reply to SSSnail if you can't figure out why.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: spittledip
So what income brackets will be affected by this return to 1999 tax levels? Any links?

Hard to get an exact answer.

But here is a great chart link
The Bush tax cuts went fully into place in 2003 so you can look at 2008 and compare the rates to 2001 to see how going back to those rates would effect people.

Unless they pass a law to keep the 25% rate where it is at anyone making over $32,000 would see a tax increase.

Here is a guess at what you would see:
$32,000 would see their rate go from 25 to 27.5
$78,000 would see their rate go from 28 to 30.5
$164,500 would see their rate go from 33 to 35.5
over $357,000 would see their rate from from 35 to 39.1

The OP claims to have a gross $85,000 which puts him in the current 28% range.
So he would see his rate go to 30.5% a 2.5% increase.

2.5% of $85,000 is an increase of $2125

Ah, thanks much for the link and info. Very nice chart! It seems like Hilary hasn't much foresight- if she takes this much money out of each individual/family's pockets, isn't that so much less that will go into our economy? Won't a tax increase be a bad thing for our economy right now?

No it would not, and secondly, it wouldn't be right now since it would expire in 2010.
It would be a return to the same tax rates we had in the 90s, which had proven to be just fine for the economy.

Please explain why it would not be bad for the present economy to put tax rates back to where they wee in 1999. I do not have a great grasp of economics, and have heard various things about the relationship of raising taxes and the economy which some do not believe to be true. It seems to make sense to me that if people have less to spend (put back into the economy) that the economy will suffer some. Why or why is this not true? And if it is true, isn't it a bad idea to raise taxes at this time? And if it isn't, why isn't it?

 

[Red Dawn]

On a personal level what would be the responsible thing to do if you racked up huge debts where you were in danger of just being able to pay the interest without being able to pay down the principal?

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
On a personal level what would be the responsible thing to do if you racked up huge debts where you were in danger of just being able to pay the interest without being able to pay down the principle?

So you are saying the economy has to suffer some in order to deal with the debt of the country first? In other words, we are in a pretty bad situation...?

The responsible thing to do would to find another source of income so you can make some headway on the principal.