Hillary gets in a harsh exchange over her Iran vote

ProfJohn

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Here is an edited version of the exchange.
ABC link

Those of you who are expecting an easy victory in 2008 better start to think again.

This exchange illustrates one of Hillary?s biggest problems; she is NOT a good campaigner.
She has one of the most tightly controlled campaigns of any candidate in history. Her events are staged, her questions are most likely staged and her answers are staged. The press has complained for months that their access to Hillary is so limited and so controlled.

This exchange shows why. Ask Hillary a question she doesn?t want to hear and watch her response.

A few more tough questions and she?ll start to complain about a ?right wing conspiracy.?
WaPo Blog
Randall Rolph said he came to New Hampton, Iowa, on Sunday to see Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) with an open mind about whether to support her candidacy. After a tough exchange over Iran, he left saying he had ruled her out.

Rolph was one of several hundred people who turned out in this small town in northern Iowa for Clinton's appearance. When she called on him for a question, he pulled out a piece of paper and read a question about Iran.

Rolph asked Clinton to explain her Senate vote Wednesday for a resolution urging the Bush administration to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization. Rolph interpreted that measure as giving Bush authority to use military action against the Iranians.

"Well, let me thank you for the question, but let me tell you that the premise of the question is wrong and I'll be happy to explain that to you," Clinton began.

She offered a detailed description of the resolution, which she said stressed robust diplomacy that could lead to imposing sanctions against Iran, and then pointedly said to Rolph that her view wasn't in "what you read to me, that somebody obviously sent to you."

"I take exception," Rolph interjected. "This is my own research."

"Well then, let me finish," Clinton responded.

Rolph, from nearby Nashua, fired back that no one had sent him the material.

"Well, then, I apologize. It's just that I've been asked the very same question in three other places," she said.

Clinton then explained that she had gone to the Senate floor in February to state that Bush does not have the authority to use military action against Iran and that she is working on legislation to put that into law. Rolph once again challenged her recent vote, suggesting that it amounted to giving Bush a free hand..

"I'm sorry, sir, it does not," she said, her voice showing her exasperation. "No, no, let me just say one other thing because I respect your research. There was an earlier version that I opposed. It was dramatically changed ... I would never have voted for the first version. The second version ripped out what was considered very bellicose and very threatening language."

The campaign said later that the excised language stated that "it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran," and "to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including ... military instruments, with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran."

The New Hampton audience gave Clinton a round of applause. Some said later that she was right to stand her ground.

When the event was over, Rolph was surrounded by reporters and said he felt the need to stand his ground when Clinton challenged him: "She tried to ... accuse me of using someone else's words and being stupid. And that offended me. I felt the need to defend myself in view of that kind of comment."

Had he come to the meeting supporting any candidate? "I came here with an open mind, that's why I had to ask this question. By asking this question, that was going to be the defining moment for me. But it has been a defining moment," Rolph said.
 

Lemon law

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I guess it proves Hillary is politically astute, she did not call him a macacca. I dare say many candidates will have to field similar questions about their records and stances.
Some of these questions will be plants and some will not. Is there any way for the candidate or the listeners to tell regarding the plant non plant question?
 

blackllotus

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This is relevant how? Your claim that she probably stages most of her questions is dubious at best.
 

ProfJohn

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Calling perspective voters a ?plant? is not a good idea.

She is trying to be all things to all people and got called on it.
 

Sacrilege

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So Hillary Clinton pointedly defends her vote to team up with Bush in marginalizing and combating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.... and Republicans somehow find that bad??? :roll:
 

jonks

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She didn't accuse him of being a plant, she accused him of regurgitating talking points raised in mass mailings like the ones I get weekly from Giuliani letting me know that he's the only one who can stop Hillary from getting to the White House.

But that's not as sensational as saying she called him a plant, so proceed with your spin.

As to PJ's claims that her campaign is so tightly controlled, etc, seeing as how she's 20 points up in the nationals, do you expect them to say, "well we're only up by 20, maybe if we cut you loose to go talk to everybody we can get it up to 30!" If it ain't broke, (and it seems anything but)...
 

Lemon law

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I too am getting a little tired of these Hillary is doomed threads. So lets see, Hillary may have alienated 1.000000 undecided democratic voter that fateful Sunday. Gee at that rate, Hillary may lose as many as 400 voters nationwide before 11/08 comes and goes. And from that sound logical basis they argue that Hillary's candidacy is doomed doomed they say.

I somewhat wonder if they post more threads to that effect on P&N than actual voters Hillary loses?
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Calling perspective voters a ?plant? is not a good idea.

She is trying to be all things to all people and got called on it.




"Perspective voters"?

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Calling perspective voters a ?plant? is not a good idea.

She is trying to be all things to all people and got called on it.

Man you're reaching really far this time. Simply put, she's an incredibly good campaigner. She has protected her huge lead without giving the Republicans very much ammo for the general election, and kept any of her opponents from going all out to damage her. The only misstep I can think of that she's made so far is the $5,000 thing which I'm sure she will distance herself from. Besides that, her campaign is the model by which all other campaigns wish they were operating, on either side.

I know you want the Republicans to win, but the way in which you're reaching to figure out some scenario, any scenario in which they can is starting to seem desperate. This reminds me of what you were doing right before the 2006 elections, with thread after thread about how the Republicans were going to hold on to houses of Congress.

If the political climate remains even moderately similar to how it is now the Republicans have pretty much zero chance of winning. Their positions are unpopular, they are at a funding disadvantage, their party is demoralized, and their candidates are just awful. You know it's a dark day for a party when as terrible a candidate as Fred Thompson was (briefly) viewed as their party's saviour.
 

MonkeyK

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Kudos to Hillary for showing that she does not only take "pre-screened" questions.

As for calling him a plant, she politely deferred and explained her initial reaction:

"Well, then, I apologize. It's just that I've been asked the very same question in three other places," she said.

What more could you want?
 

Moonbeam

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She was attacked for the same thing in the Democratic debate last week or so and she said she has answered the question already three times more recently. This is how the Right Wing assassination team works. The generate a huge storm over something meaningless to which the candidate has to devote precious time defending instead of pointing out the positive aspects of what they intend to do. It is not only natural for candidates to anticipate plants and phony ginned up controversial issues, but it will happen. What I like is that she took him at his word they the question was his, as it certainly wasn't, and apologized for her assumption which may still be very right. This guy could be totally phony and a plant just as she suspected.

ProfJohn, of course, is our local plant whose unhinged theories of Democratic demise are here to keep us trembling and afraid we might vote for a loser. But I try to stay away from a party who obviously attracts crackpots.
 

nageov3t

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heh.

that guy would have never passed the loyalty test administered before any GOP town hall.
 

Hacp

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In more relevant news, George Bush vetoed the Children's Health Bill last week. I smell doom for the Republicans.
 

Rainsford

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So let me get this straight. ProfJohn is complaining that Hillary is doing something Bush did during both his elections (tightly controlling his audience at events), saying it's not going to work when it obviously worked for Bush, and at the end of it all he's not even right about what happened? Is that about right? She was complaining that he didn't have an original question and was just regurgitating a talking point, then proceeded to answer his question anyways. Well gee, I say string her up! :roll:

But just for comparison, how many adversarial questions did Bush even get asked in 2004? Zero? Fewer than zero? I didn't hear any complaints then...and in any case, it obviously didn't bother his supports too much, he did win after all.
 

conehead433

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Hilary doesn't vote against anything, just like GWB doesn't veto anything, although I do hope he is overridden on the children's health care bill.
 

Stoneburner

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Profjohn complaining about a tightly controlled campaign, staged questions and events, and lack of media access? I wonder who he voted for in 2000.

 

StageLeft

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I actually resent you for posting this because it wasted a minute of my time. Whoever wrote that article was drunk and it is totally incohesive and rambling and is a non-event. I don't even know what I'm supposed to take away from this.
 
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