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Strk

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But she has great experience... like voting for Bush's authorization for an Iraq war in the early 2000's or laughing and joking in public about the death of a deposed head of state.

Or being hawkish on possible military action in Syria. She's imminently qualified.


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This is exactly why I wanted Bernie.
 

blankslate

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You don't "find" charges. The FBI found lots of chargeable offenses and recommended (for some reason) that no charges be made.

The FBI director won't have to worry about retirement after he leaves the FBI... that is for sure.


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compuwiz1

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Why, because Trump will use his powers to go after his political adversaries like some third world dictator? Sounds like a reason to never elect him.

Actually, reasons to elect him:

1. Lynch gets canned and replaced
2. FBI director gets canned and replaced
3. Law and order shall prevail again

Trump's DOJ does their job and indicts Clinton, as well as many others, who should have been charged with their crimes, including Bush and Cheney. Lots of heads should roll.

The ones who broke laws should be prosecuted. What's wrong with that?
 

Jhhnn

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Watch the director of the FBI get a high paying sinecure after he retires from the FBI.

Watch the TPP get passed and kill more U.S. jobs with decent benefits.

I'm tired of fake progressives only being satisfied the bones the the establishment tosses them on social issues while the real things (economic policies enacted by blue dogs) that harm the middle class continues without interruption.


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That's just sad, particularly the part about Comey. It's thinking like a wing nut to attack his integrity. It really is. There's no basis for it other than splattering him with Hillary hate.

The economy? It's the result of the ascendancy of Repub ideology over the last 35 years, of its victory over the New Deal ideology that preceded it. Even though that ideology has failed the middle class it remains strong & has gained much of its power by tearing down the govt of the people with ceaseless negativity & very bad policy when they've been in power. Theirs is a self fulfilling prophesy driving the headset sets of their base as well as the whinier faction of self styled progressives.
 

Jhhnn

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I find it disappointing that "poor judgement" is the best we can hope for from the person who will be the President of the United States.

I figure she's learned from the experience. Conservatives apparently never learn so they're ready to project that quality onto everybody else.
 

blankslate

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That's just sad, particularly the part about Comey. It's thinking like a wing nut to attack his integrity. It really is. There's no basis for it other than splattering him with Hillary hate.

The economy? It's the result of the ascendancy of Repub ideology over the last 35 years, of its victory over the New Deal ideology that preceded it. Even though that ideology has failed the middle class it remains strong & has gained much of its power by tearing down the govt of the people with ceaseless negativity & very bad policy when they've been in power. Theirs is a self fulfilling prophesy driving the headset sets of their base as well as the whinier faction of self styled progressives.

and you think the actions of her delegates on the democratic draft platform in regards to the TPP helps that situation. Holy sheeeit. Get a clue. Sure one could argue that we didn't quite know what the results would be of trade deals passed in the 90's.

Now we know... with that knowledge why the hell is anyone in the democratic party even thinking of supporting the TPP.
Senator Clinton said she was against the TPP, but the actions of the delegates she appointed in regards to the issue tells a different story....


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2...ity-over-including-stand-against-tpp-platform
Members of the Democratic National Convention Platform Committee shot down an attempt to include specific opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal in the platform, despite the fact that both Democratic presidential candidates have taken positions against the TPP.

The attempt failed because members appointed by Hillary Clinton and DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz claimed it was improper to oppose the TPP when President Barack Obama fervently believes in the agreement. However, by putting party unity before taking a firm stand against the trade agreement, the door was left open for Clinton to go back to supporting the TPP, which was the case when she was secretary of state.

“It is hard for me to understand why Secretary Clinton’s delegates won’t stand behind Secretary Clinton’s positions in the party’s platform,” Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said

If you believe the representatives that she has appointed to the democratic platform committee aren't voting the way she wishes them to then that's just amazingly idiotic.

In short she has earned that hate. The TPP is a shit sandwich that wallstreet wants to shove down the throats of anyone who isn't a member of the elite.
The fact that any politician who calls themselves a democrat supports that piece of shit trade bill shows how far the democratic party has fallen from the time when it truly championed the middle class.
And fake liberals are lapping it up because the republicants are just marginally worse economically (while being horrendously worse on social issues) and they've against all odds nominated a person that makes it seem like they want to lose this election.


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Jhhnn

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and you think the actions of her delegates on the democratic draft platform in regards to the TPP helps that situation. Holy sheeeit. Get a clue. Sure one could argue that we didn't quite know what the results would be of trade deals passed in the 90's.

Now we know... with that knowledge why the hell is anyone in the democratic party even thinking of supporting the TPP.
Senator Clinton said she was against the TPP, but the actions of the delegates she appointed in regards to the issue tells a different story....


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2...ity-over-including-stand-against-tpp-platform


If you believe the representatives that she has appointed to the democratic platform committee aren't voting the way she wishes them to then that's just amazingly idiotic.

In short she has earned that hate. The TPP is a shit sandwich that wallstreet wants to shove down the throats of anyone who isn't a member of the elite.
The fact that any politician who calls themselves a democrat supports that piece of shit trade bill shows how far the democratic party has fallen from the time when it truly championed the middle class.
And fake liberals are lapping it up because the republicants are just marginally worse economically (while being horrendously worse on social issues) and they've against all odds nominated a person that makes it seem like they want to lose this election.


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Now that the email scandal is down in flames you apparently want to divert every thread into tearing down Hillary over the TPP.

I mean, it's all you've got to concern troll with atm, huh?

Like it or not, Globalization is the future, due in no small part to our own Capitalists & Free Market ideology. We just need to make the best of it, find ways of getting a bigger piece of the pie from our capitalist masters than what they'll naturally allow with their jerb creator ways. That, or get swept under by the tide of history yearning for an idealized America that never was.
 

FelixDeCat

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You don't "find" charges. The FBI found lots of chargeable offenses and recommended (for some reason) that no charges be made.

The reason is that they are afraid of swaying an election. The same dirty trick was pulled by the Democrats just before the 1992 election.

Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, investigating the Iran Contra affair decided to indict Reagan defense secretary Caspar Weinberger ONE WEEK before the 1992 election so sway sentiment in Bill Clintons favor.
 
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senseamp

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Yes, a dirty trick pulled by the Democrats... except that it's a Republican FBI director who served as deputy AG for W Bush and supported and donated to McCain and Romney.
But other than that, definitely a dirty trick pulled by the Democrats.
 
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Yes, a dirty trick pulled by the Democrats... except that it's a Republican FBI director who served as deputy AG for W Bush and supported and donated to McCain and Romney.
But other than that, definitely a dirty trick pulled by the Democrats.

Welcome to the mid to late 1990's. What was old is born anew.
 

blankslate

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Like it or not, Globalization is the future, due in no small part to our own Capitalists & Free Market ideology. We just need to make the best of it, find ways of getting a bigger piece of the pie from our capitalist masters than what they'll naturally allow with their jerb creator ways. That, or get swept under by the tide of history yearning for an idealized America that never was.

If globalization is the future then we're fucked....

Now that the email scandal is down in flames you apparently want to divert every thread into tearing down Hillary over the TPP.
Fuck the e-mail scandal if President Clinton didn't invite himself to talk to Loretta Lynch on the private plane most people who aren't hardcore conservatives wouldn't be complaining as much. It that meeting doesn't make you go :hmm: then you're hopeless.

If you don't believe that the TPP is an issue to be so concerned about then go back to playing the Ostrich with your head in the sand.

Maybe it doesn't affect you since you could very well be one of the beneficiaries of the TPP the way you're talking.

I have never voted for a republican for President. Although I might have in 2000 if people where able to convince General Powell to run for office in that election.

This election will be the first time I vote third party.


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Brian Stirling

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Now that the email scandal is down in flames you apparently want to divert every thread into tearing down Hillary over the TPP.

I mean, it's all you've got to concern troll with atm, huh?

Like it or not, Globalization is the future, due in no small part to our own Capitalists & Free Market ideology. We just need to make the best of it, find ways of getting a bigger piece of the pie from our capitalist masters than what they'll naturally allow with their jerb creator ways. That, or get swept under by the tide of history yearning for an idealized America that never was.

The underlying concept and driving force of modern globalization is the devaluation of labor!

Another way of describing that is devaluation of ... people!

No, this is not what's in the best interest of the people or the planet but it is now the operating principle for both parties though it was once only the R's that drank that koolaid. Now, both parties are lubricated with money from an overlapping group of big donors and the elected officials from both parties continue to fuck the middle class -- without lubrication!


Brian
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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The underlying concept and driving force of modern globalization is the devaluation of labor!

Another way of describing that is devaluation of ... people!

No, this is not what's in the best interest of the people or the planet but it is now the operating principle for both parties though it was once only the R's that drank that koolaid. Now, both parties are lubricated with money from an overlapping group of big donors and the elected officials from both parties continue to fuck the middle class -- without lubrication!


Brian

Devaluing of people? In what way exactly? Both salary and net worth in the US has been pretty stable/flat and the world wide poverty rate has fallen by almost 50% since the 90's.
 

blankslate

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Both salary and net worth in the US has been pretty stable/flat and the world wide poverty rate has fallen by almost 50% since the 90's.

For most people in the U.S. salary and net worth has been flat while the economy has expanded... meaning the most of the gains in the U.S. economy has went to a small minority of the population... which is in itself a problem... another problem with mostly flat wages and net worth is inflation going up.

that is how peoples' labor is devalued by globalization in the U.S.


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ivwshane

Lifer
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For most people in the U.S. salary and net worth has been flat while the economy has expanded... meaning the most of the gains in the U.S. economy has went to a small minority of the population... which is in itself a problem... another problem with mostly flat wages and net worth is inflation going up.

that is how peoples' labor is devalued by globalization in the U.S.


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You apparently don't know what the word "devalued" means. Saying something is flat or not rising as fast as something else does not mean it has been devalued.

Inflation is also not going up and has also been relatively flat.
 

FelixDeCat

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Yes, a dirty trick pulled by the Democrats... except that it's a Republican FBI director who served as deputy AG for W Bush and supported and donated to McCain and Romney.
But other than that, definitely a dirty trick pulled by the Democrats.

This was used by a young and upcoming Democratic operative George Stephanopoulos to ambush George H.W. Bush when he was being interviewed on CNN one week before the 1992 election! He called into the damn show and was allowed to question him directly with this bullshit. Supposedly random callers were being qued to talk go Bush and along comes the ambush.

Another dirty trick by the Democrats.

On the eve of the 1992 presidential election, on October 30, Mr. Walsh obtained a grand jury re-indictment of Weinberger on one count of false statements. One phrase in that superseding indictment referred to President George H.W. Bush. Some believe that Bush had been closing the gap with Bill Clinton, and that this event stopped his momentum.[3][4][5] Clinton administration attorney Lanny Davis called the decision to indict a week before the election rather than after the election "bizarre."[3] Judge Thomas Hogan dismissed the October indictment two months later for being outside the statute of limitations.[5] Weinberger's subsequent pardon by President George Bush in December 1992 preempted any trial. Walsh steadfastly denied that the investigation was politically motivated, while Bush and others criticized it as "the criminalization of policy differences."[1]

Hillary cant even be indicted once for all the things she has gotten away with from 1990s on....
 
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lopri

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I agree with the analysis provided by Ruth Marcus 4 months ago. She explains and rebuts the individual charges that have been brought to attention in plain English. I do not quote that part here because it is too long, but the whole column is worth a read.

Why Hillary Clinton is unlikely to be indicted over her private email server

For those of you salivating — or trembling — at the thought of Hillary Clinton being clapped in handcuffs as she prepares to deliver her acceptance speech at the Democratic convention this summer: deep, cleansing breath. Based on the available facts and the relevant precedents, criminal prosecution of Clinton for mishandling classified information in her emails is extraordinarily unlikely.

My exasperation with Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of state is long-standing and unabated. Lucky for her, political idiocy is not criminal.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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This was used by a young and upcoming Democratic operative George Stephanopoulos to ambush George H.W. Bush when he was being interviewed on CNN one week before the 1992 election! He called into the damn show and was allowed to question him directly with this bullshit. Supposedly random callers were being qued to talk go Bush and along comes the ambush.

Another dirty trick by the Democrats.



Hillary cant even be indicted once for all the things she has gotten away with from 1990s on....

I can't tell if you are being serious or not. Lawrence Walsh was a Republican.
 

FelixDeCat

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I can't tell if you are being serious or not. Lawrence Walsh was a Republican.

I cant tell if you read this, so Ill repost it. Read each word carefully.

On the eve of the 1992 presidential election, on October 30, Mr. Walsh obtained a grand jury re-indictment of Weinberger on one count of false statements. One phrase in that superseding indictment referred to President George H.W. Bush. Some believe that Bush had been closing the gap with Bill Clinton, and that this event stopped his momentum.[3][4][5] Clinton administration attorney Lanny Davis called the decision to indict a week before the election rather than after the election "bizarre."[3] Judge Thomas Hogan dismissed the October indictment two months later for being outside the statute of limitations.[5] Weinberger's subsequent pardon by President George Bush in December 1992 preempted any trial. Walsh steadfastly denied that the investigation was politically motivated, while Bush and others criticized it as "the criminalization of policy differences."[1]
 

dank69

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You don't "find" charges. The FBI found lots of chargeable offenses and recommended (for some reason) that no charges be made.

No. They found offenses that didn't qualify as unlawful. The GOP has a hard time understanding that they can't throw people in jail for behavior they don't agree with. People actually have to break laws first.
 

Jhhnn

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Yeah, still not seeing your point.

His point is to obfuscate & misdirect.

The ravers hung all their hopes & dreams on indictment. Now they're bereft, lashing out in denial, because they still believe quite fervently in the righteousness of their witch hunt. In tearing down Comey & Lynch they merely confirm the irrationality of that belief. Their well conditioned emotions preclude critical thinking.

It's McCarthyism in a different venue.
 
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