From what I remember of government class in HS, the original intent of the EC was to prevent mob rule by, essentially, letting those not subject to mob mentality make the final decision on the vote, while still providing 'the mob' the ability to select those electors. The FF probably didn't take into account jerrymandering though, I imagine had that been anticipated, it would have been accounted for with a check/balance somewhere (or abolished altogether).Youd rather minority rule? that is silly. where do you stop? the guy who only got 1 vote for something? Majority rules because it makes the most sense.
My hatred of her is not irrational. She stayed with a cheating husband because he was the president. I lost all respect for her then and at first I thought she was just weak but we soon found out she was just another self-serving politician. She sent a message to millions of young girls it's ok for your husband to cheat on you. That always irked the shit out of me about her.
Evidence that she is "likely" corrupt and guilty. "likely" is subjective and the Clintons have been involved in some black dealings or other since I first heard of them in 1992 and probably before. They were doing dirt while they were still in Arkansas. Go read up on Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, and I would like some definitive answers on Benghazi. Always plenty of smoke and always they slither away. Her husband was a snake charmer (I still thought he did a good job overall); HRC is a snake. You will never learn half the shit these folks got away with just like they'll never get Trump either.
Now actual evidence, here you go: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3183007/Memo-from-Bill-Clinton-aide-on-how-Teneo.pdf
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36761#content
I'm also starting to worry that if this story gets out, we are screwed.
I would say that those docs are evidence that corruption is likely. Could be proven fake or whatever I guess.
But I don't say she is poison because she is corrupt. She's poison because the very mention of her name pollutes the discussion whether it's her fault or not, and now she is just a distraction. Now instead of talking policies etc. here we are talking about HRC again. Plus she IS the establishment. Even democrats want to drain the swamp or the DNC would not have had to rig the primary to keep Bernie from winning the nomination.
Because they are undemocratic. These 30 percent aren't even voted on, they are the establishment picking winners over the will of the people.
From what I remember of government class in HS, the original intent of the EC was to prevent mob rule by, essentially, letting those not subject to mob mentality make the final decision on the vote, while still providing 'the mob' the ability to select those electors. The FF probably didn't take into account jerrymandering though, I imagine had that been anticipated, it would have been accounted for with a check/balance somewhere (or abolished altogether).
My hatred of her is not irrational. She stayed with a cheating husband because he was the president. I lost all respect for her then and at first I thought she was just weak but we soon found out she was just another self-serving politician. She sent a message to millions of young girls it's ok for your husband to cheat on you. That always irked the shit out of me about her.
Ah, forgot that part.Under the Constitution the 'mob' has no ability to select the electors either, they were appointed by state legislatures. It was entirely an exercise by the elites.
What super delegate voted differently than what the popular vote wanted?
I don't really understand this complaint. I presume you are talking about after the Lewinsky affair? But why should anyone care whether she divorced or not at that point? Why is it anyone else's business? It's up to them how they want to deal with it, surely?
Besides, it doesn't look to me as if Bill was exactly a model husband before that. Did he never stray previously?
That's one thing I never held against Hillary - putting up with a husband who quite likely never behaved very well in that regard. I always assumed, right from Bill's first term, that their marriage was essentially a political partnership from the start, and that for both of them, achieving political goals was far more the point than some idealised romance and perfect marriage.
I can respect that. It's a question of priorities, and not really anyone else's business. I'd say she sent a message to millions of young girls that there can be more important things to focus on in life than finding some ideal man and making a perfect marriage. (E.g. changing the world and vanquishing your political enemies, by whatever means it takes). I don't have a problem with that aspect of her character.
What I do hold against her was simply what those political goals turned out to be. I just disagree with much of her politics, particularly, but not exclusively, her foreign policies. I find it hard to care what sort of role model she provides with regard to romantic relationships.
Shouldn't Democratic Party's super delegates go too?
Get a young bright democrat thats transparent, and addresses the middle class down (the vast majority), and we'll have a winner. Half the country couldn't trust eather side and hired a non politician.
The attacks against Hillary that I was aware of was that she took millions of dollars from the terrorist supporting Saudis and supported their bloody agenda in the Middle East, that she took millions from corrupt banking interests and that she was in the back pocket of big pharma. No sane person took the strawman "allegations" you posted seriously.
Everyone has different standards and morals and I certainly don't expect that mine are better than other folks'; it just pissed me off personally.
As I said, I still voted for her in November. Doesn't mean I have to like her.
Crooked Hillary! What is she hiding? Can't trust Hillary! Wall St speeches! Poor Bernie! So cheated!
Blah, blah, blah... Straw men every one.
This right there is pretty gross, misogynistic, and frankly irrational. You have no idea why she stayed with her husband and the idea that anyone who perseveres through infidelity in their marriage isn't worthy of respect is ridiculous. What's also funny/sad is I am 100% certain she would have been pilloried for being emblematic of decaying family values if she had divorced Bill as well.
1) I don't know why what someone does in their personal life is relevant to being president.
2) There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton has ever been unfaithful, so basically you're holding her responsible for the failures of her husband.
Definitive answers on Benghazi????? Are you joking? That attack on a diplomatic compound was investigated about the same amount as 9/11 and Pearl Harbor combined. The fact that you still think the answers weren't sufficient is frankly baffling. Do you want another few years of investigations? If so, about what exactly?
Whitewater: All investigations into it combined pointed to one POSSIBLE improper action by Bill Clinton, one that was not substantiated.
Travelgate: Clintons were exonerated by no less than Ken Starr, haha.
Filegate: Clintons were exonerated by no less than Ken Starr, haha.
This is a great symbol of everything that's wrong with media coverage of the Clintons though. You looked at a bunch of bullshit investigations and decided that even though they were cleared in each one, because investigations existed there's got to be something there.
On what planet are those documents evidence of likely corruption? Spell it out specifically.
So you don't like her because other people are irrational. That's not a good reason. Also, the primary was not rigged against Sanders. If anything he benefitted from how the primaries were structured. Sanders lost fair and square and he lost by a lot. It was never close.
So why are you tearing her down & the whole democratic party along with her?
It merely serves to justify the irrationality that elected the Hair Furor.
So why are you tearing her down & the whole democratic party along with her?
It merely serves to justify the irrationality that elected the Hair Furor.
People *do* watch and listen. Handing questions beforehand to Hilly, and she accepting them, doesn't instill confidence. I won't get into all her other "matters" because gross denial.
I actually think the party is better without her. Keep the party, ditch Clinton. You guys can try to vote for her again, and I'll vote my way. I don't see a problem here.
Wow that's like super fanboy mode. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Not going to put any more time into as I said it's just a distraction from moving forward. The Clinton era needs to be done and buried. It's done for me anyhow.
Seems like a self serving argument based on prolonged denial.
As a US Senator, did Clinton advocate for eliminating the electoral college in the wake of Gore winning the popular vote but losing to Bush?
Senator-elect Hillary Rodham Clinton began a victory tour of upstate New York Friday by calling for elimination of the Electoral College.
At an airport news conference, the first lady said she would support legislation seeking a constitutional amendment providing for the direct election of the president.