Hillary says it's time to eliminate the Electoral College

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Puffnstuff

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I know you didn't think or even read before posting
And all along I and others were thinking that very same thing about what you post.
Guess it raises the point that just because someone's a democrat doesn't mean they think any better than conservatives do. It's generally the case, however.
People who live on the extremes of either side exhibit the same levels of confirmation bias, however, my real world experience is that those on the left of center are more apt to apply critical thinking than those on the right. I'm so glad that I'm not trapped under religion that I'd be blinded by whatever the right has to say. Learned helplessness can be a real biotch.
 

justoh

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And all along I and others were thinking that very same thing about what you post.
Says the guy who self identifies as retarded...

Since you replied for him, how about trying to answer for him. How does one arrive at his conclusion?
 

pmv

Lifer
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I keep on pointing out how this isn't really true. Republicans vote religiously. 80% of evangelicals vote, for example, and always republican. You might say CA doesn't have that many evangelicals, but republicans everywhere are still predominantly christian. So for the most part it's only the democrats who won't bother voting because of the EC. It's a cynical but a rational decision, and republicans aren't rational. The popular vote to EC contrast would be a lot higher than 3m if everyone who didn't vote because of the EC did vote.

Got it, Evagelical votes should count more to deciding who is President. Sounds reasonable and fair to me.







#sarcasm


I don't understand this exchange. Reading justoh's post, I can't see how it does anything other than agree that the electoral college is a problem. He appears to be saying it's even worse than it looks.
 
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I don't understand this exchange. Reading justoh's post, I can't see how it does anything other than agree that the electoral college is a problem. He appears to be saying it's even worse than it looks.

If I misinterpreted I apologize
 

Jhhnn

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I don't understand this exchange. Reading justoh's post, I can't see how it does anything other than agree that the electoral college is a problem. He appears to be saying it's even worse than it looks.

Meh. The whole exchange is obfuscational. There's a lot more on the ballot than the presidential election, so if CA Repubs, for example, were truly inhibited by the EC then we wouldn't have any CA Repubs in Congress.

The truth is that Repubs have a cadre of semi-delusional voters, mostly seniors, who vote like punching in on the job with perfect attendance. They'll vote Repub every time for a variety of single issues- God, guns, gays, abortion, racism, sexism & mostly cuz they cherish Freedumb. Never mind that their lives are better because of the evils of socialism like SS & Medicare...
 

Puffnstuff

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Says the guy who self identifies as retarded...
Speak for yourself buddy. Most of us have already identified your abase those who don't agree with your views MO and rather than becoming incensed by it I feel sorry for you.
 

justoh

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Speak for yourself buddy. Most of us have already identified your abase those who don't agree with your views MO and rather than becoming incensed by it I feel sorry for you.

Thanks, I guess. Question: do you realize what's written in your signature? You also seem to have implied that you were a christian in another thread (at least suggested)... Taken together...

Were you just being sarcastic?
 

mindless1

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But she couldn't have 'won the same way' because the bias in the system is designed to favour low-population-density areas, and, for historical and sociological reasons, such areas tend to favour conservatives.

That Hillary may or may not only be complaining because she lost is entirely irrelevant. It remains a bad system, regardless of who is complaining about it or the purity of their motives for doing so.

So knowing ahead of time that it was set up the way it is, Democrats picked a candidate that couldn't even win against Trump. The Hillary factor is quite relevant. Wait, do you really think she would have said anything about it if she had won? Of course not. How can it not be relevant to the discussion when that is right there in the topic title, or have you forgotten that?

Didn't Obama get elected? No, yes, maybe?
 

pmv

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So knowing ahead of time that it was set up the way it is, Democrats picked a candidate that couldn't even win against Trump. The Hillary factor is quite relevant. Wait, do you really think she would have said anything about it if she had won? Of course not. How can it not be relevant to the discussion when that is right there in the topic title, or have you forgotten that?

Didn't Obama get elected? No, yes, maybe?

How is it relevant to the fact that the electoral system is flawed, and has a built-in conservative bias? I don't care whether Hillary is against it or for it, it's still a stupid system.

That she wouldn't have said anything about it had she won is just one of the many reasons I'm not a fan of hers. But clearly it has gotten so bad that even a conservative like Hillary has been forced to acknowledge that there's a problem.
 

bshole

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The truth is that Repubs have a cadre of semi-delusional voters, mostly seniors, who vote like punching in on the job with perfect attendance. They'll vote Repub every time for a variety of single issues- God, guns, gays, abortion, racism, sexism & mostly cuz they cherish Freedumb. Never mind that their lives are better because of the evils of socialism like SS & Medicare...

That is called the base. Both sides have a base who almost ALWAYS vote for the party. The most important voters are probably the sweet sweet independents who factor heavily in about every election.
 

sportage

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I voted Hillary and Obama so you know where I'm coming from....
Hillary needs to wake up. Sure she would have been the better president and I know for a fact that EVERYONE would be much more happy and better off at this point, and MUCH more surprised at Hillary's leadership abilities compared to what they had expected.

A lot of people simply hated Hillary including many of her own, democrats especially young democrats, but the thing with Hillary and with politics in general is that if someone like a Hillary had been elected the people would eventually come around to supporting her once they experienced the true-life Hillary opposed to the made-up Hillary the right had crested.

By now even the right wing would have had to admit that Hillary as president wasn't near as terrible as they had feared or predicted.
Just as with the Bill Clinton presidency, hate him as they may president Bill Clinton did indeed make things pretty darn good for most Americans. The economy was booming, jobs soaring, the national debt nearly eliminated and we were pretty much war-free.
Yet despite all of that, the right wing republicans still hated Bill Clinton.
Well, Hillary too would have restored America to true greatness if she had been elected.
At this point we would have had a more solid stable healthcare system, continued job growth, higher incomes and wages, Putin would have been kept in his place, everyone would be much better off at this point if Hillary had been elected.

As a professional and I mean by getting down to the dirty work of actual governing, Hillary would have surpassed all expectations.
We would have never experienced the total insanity of Donald Trump nor the instability we now experiencing under Donald trump.

Why Hillary lost was Hillary's fault and none other.
No electoral college, no popular vote, no challenge from a Bernie Sanders was the cause. Hillary lost simply because of Hillary.
She should have realized the monkey on her back long before she decided to run, and addressed it back then while she had the time and opportunity.
Policy Hillary needed to become the forefront and Hillary the flawed Clinton the downplayed. Kept hidden in the background, somehow someway.

Hillary lost because she could not connect. She was terrible at the presentation of Hillary Clinton. So she should have tried to downplay the woman part and the Clinton part and the glass ceiling breaking part but instead focus every day on the policy part.
Forget about presentation, just let the people know and make it crystal clear time after time with every speech what she planned to do as president and how exactly she would improve the everyday lives of all people.

Face it. People do want affordable and inclusive healthcare. College for their kids. Good paying jobs, decent wages. Clean air, clean water, safe foods. A strong military. Etc etc....
And Hillary as president would have provided exactly that.
She knew it, we knew it, and deep down inside even the most right wing conservative knew it.
But for some flawed reason she instead went with the presentation of Hillary Clinton. The woman Hillary Clinton. The glass ceiling breaking Hillary Clinton. The history making Hillary Clinton. And by doing that she had already lost the battle when people just did not like or attract to Hillary the person.
Still, they did like the Hillary Clinton policy maker.

This is why we as Americans will never see a border wall with Mexico, nor the exporting of the so called DREAMERS (will never happen), or any ban on Muslims entering the country, or any success at taking away Obamacare by republicans.
Because while it has appeared that America has gone totally insane by electing a failed game show host as their president, people still want their stability.

People want healthcare they can afford, and wages that pay the bills, and jobs they can be proud of, and college for there kids, and an accepting heart when it comes to others that dream of becoming an American citizen.
People are still basically good and just as normal as before Donald Trump.
They are not mean spirited, evil, nor ready to toss the baby out with the bathwater.
When it comes to their personal lives and the their families future, they believe how Hillary Clinton believed, and not as some rich fat childish self centered thinned skinned pompous failed game show host.
The people are Hillary people, truth be told.

Hillary is smart, brilliant, effective, has thoughtful intelligent ideas, is a proven leader, and is a good person. Hillary's problem was that she failed to convince others she was not what republicans made her out to be.
She failed to accept and to simply say she realized her flaws with the presentation of Hillary Clinton, and focus on the policy part of Hillary Clinton.

Hillary just failed to connect. And knowing as I am sure she did having problems with her own base, Hillary should have stuck to addressing the peoples issues and forget about the presentation. She would have done herself much credit if she had never brought up the woman thing but instead just blew it off as I DON'T THINK THAT MATTERS. I'M NOT DOING THIS TO BREAK GLASS CEILINGS. I'M DOING THIS FOR BETTERING THE LIVES OF ALL AMERICANS.
 

fskimospy

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How is it relevant to the fact that the electoral system is flawed, and has a built-in conservative bias? I don't care whether Hillary is against it or for it, it's still a stupid system.

That she wouldn't have said anything about it had she won is just one of the many reasons I'm not a fan of hers. But clearly it has gotten so bad that even a conservative like Hillary has been forced to acknowledge that there's a problem.

Hillary Clinton is not a conservative or anything even remotely approaching it.
 

OutHouse

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People do want affordable and inclusive healthcare. College for their kids. Good paying jobs, decent wages. Clean air, clean water, safe foods. A strong military. Etc etc....
And Hillary as president would have provided exactly that.
She knew it, we knew it, and deep down inside even the most right wing conservative knew it.

holy shit are you drunk?
 
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Gotta love how it's always the loser that advocates for changing the rules after the race has been decided. How about before the race you talk about the rules of the race, doesn't that sound a bit more intelligent? No, no of course not.
 

fskimospy

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Gotta love how it's always the loser that advocates for changing the rules after the race has been decided. How about before the race you talk about the rules of the race, doesn't that sound a bit more intelligent? No, no of course not.

Doesn't change the fact that she's right.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Gotta love how it's always the loser that advocates for changing the rules after the race has been decided. How about before the race you talk about the rules of the race, doesn't that sound a bit more intelligent? No, no of course not.

She did talk about it before the race and it was even linked for you in this very thread.
 
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