Hillary says it's time to eliminate the Electoral College

Snarf Snarf

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Not in 100% agreement, but I do believe states should do away with winner takes all when it comes to electoral votes. Proportional electoral college gives those voting for third party candidates an actual chance of their candidate ever being anything more than a vote of protest.
 

spacejamz

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Why pathetic?

Care to tackle why an Alaskan voters vote carries 3-4 times the weight of my vote?

I don't have to...the founding fathers of this country have already done that...they have also provided a way to change it also which requires 3/4 of the states to ratify it...good luck with the smaller states on that one....
 

Sunburn74

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I am not saying that the electoral college does or doesn't need to go.

If Hillary Clinton wants a successful Democratic Party in the future she needs to STFU and go away.
Needs to go.
Whether or not you like the messenger, you judge the value of the message at its worth.
 

JSt0rm

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I don't have to...the founding fathers of this country have already done that...they have also provided a way to change it also which requires 3/4 of the states to ratify it...good luck with the smaller states on that one....

so how is Hillary saying that this should be the way not consistent with your statements? And we don't need 3/4. We only need enough to say all electoral collage votes go to the popular vote winner for the popular winner to win. And that's happening. Maryland comes to mind.
 
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I guess we should assign senators by population too. Mob rule, why not? There is a reason we are not a democracy.

No silly that's what the House is for.
What State do you live in we'll see where you vote weight is, again in our current era I see no reason why some states voters count more toward whom the President is than others.
 
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shortylickens

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I am not saying that the electoral college does or doesn't need to go.

If Hillary Clinton wants a successful Democratic Party in the future she needs to STFU and go away.

Why?
Trump runs his mouth constantly and gets in everyones face. Obviously thats the key to winning.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I am not saying that the electoral college does or doesn't need to go.

If Hillary Clinton wants a successful Democratic Party in the future she needs to STFU and go away.

If Hilary wanted a successful Democratic party in the present she should have shut up and gone away several years ago. Hilary is why we have Trump.

Why?
Trump runs his mouth constantly and gets in everyones face. Obviously thats the key to winning.

No, the key to winning is to run against Hilary. Hilary doesn't have that luxury.
 
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JSt0rm

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If Hilary wanted a successful Democratic party in the present she should have shut up and gone away several years ago. Hilary is why we have Trump.



No, the key to winning is to run against Hilary. Hilary doesn't have that luxury.

You can't blame Hillary for your poor life choices.
 

Jhhnn

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I don't have to...the founding fathers of this country have already done that...they have also provided a way to change it also which requires 3/4 of the states to ratify it...good luck with the smaller states on that one....
There is another way-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

The Electoral College was intended to be a deliberative body, not the rubber stamp it has become-



Trump's radical agenda is illegitimate considering that he didn't get a plurality of votes, a true mandate from the People. A sane & sensible person elected in such a way would temper their actions in recognition of that fact. Not Donald.
 

greatnoob

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Good. The EC is as old and deprecated as its original creators including the cavemen who still support it in modern times. Time for a democratic system.
 
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The Original idea was to prevent someone impossible to be elected, like Jesus or King Edward or the more common fear of David Johnson won but which David Johnson, the guy from NY or the David Johnson from VA or the David Johnson from MA.
These concerns are irrelevant today. There is no functional reason for the Electoral College to exist today.
People always think it was some grand plan to give smaller States more power, that was not the original intent. Most people don't realize that some states votes count more than other states votes and finally I'd bet that the majority of voters in the high value states would happily relinquish their more powerful votes just to have fewer robo calls, campaign ads and an overall shorter campaign season.
 

OWR88

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Yes the electoral college is pathetic. Laughing stock around the world, just like Trump.
 

senseamp

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I think it would take a Constitutional crisis or civil war to get rid of the EC. Big states would have to force the issue, or small states aren't going to give it up. There is some wisdom to EC though, because it is not entirely healthy to have the government be responsive to a handful of media markets. Also it's not like the small states are ripping some massive benefits from the EC. Trump states are primarily losers in the competitive modern world.
 

Sonikku

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I guess we should assign senators by population too. Mob rule, why not? There is a reason we are not a democracy.
At this point I don't think mob rule could be any worse. The gerrymandering and electoral college games are doing little to protect the plebs from their foolish votes. Quite the contrary.
 
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jayzds

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We have Trump because retards voted for Trump.

It's the retards voting for Trump or the retards voting for Hillary...both are losses and yes she would have been just as bad. She has been a shit spewer her whole career, just like Trump.
 

Paratus

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1 person 1 vote for the president.

Not 1 Montana Vote, 0.7 California Votes for president.

The electoral college has allowed minority rule twice in the last 16 years. It's time to go.

The political minority doesn't need special treatment. They should pull themselves up by their bootstraps like the rest of us if they want to win the vote.
 
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