HillaryCare is back!

[Pabster]

Story here.

The socialist Clinton has begun. Looks to me like nothing but HillaryCare circa 1994. Of course, she had no intention of going through with it in '94.

Expect to see similar UHC plans from other Democrats in the near future.

 

[sandorski]

Cheaper than Bush's.

 

[StageLeft]

"It puts the consumer in the driver's seat by offering more choices and lowering costs," Neera Tanden, Clinton's top policy adviser, told The Associated Press. "If you like the plan you have, you keep it. If you're one of tens of millions of Americans without coverage or don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and you'll get tax credits to help pay for it."

Yeah, right. THis fails to mention that my tax burden, to cover the people below me, is almost certaintly likely to get heavier.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Cheaper than Bush's.

Thanks for your great insight :roll:

 

[Pliablemoose]

She can get a lot of support on this, when I saw Sicko, the audience stood up & clapped at the end, (& this was in Texas)

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Cheaper than Bush's.

but copying successful Republican ideas none the less

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: sandorski
Cheaper than Bush's.

Thanks for your great insight :roll:

$100billion vs $500 billion :shrug;

 

[IronWing]

Just another plan to maintain the status quo, handing out public money to private insurance companies. We don't need HillaryCare, we need national health insurance.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
She can get a lot of support on this, when I saw Sicko, the audience stood up & clapped at the end, (& this was in Texas)

Anybody who found Sicko a revelation should automatically lose voting rights because it shows that they're stupid. I'm not saying all the points were wrong, but for it to be a revelation, as it was for some, indicates how disconnected they already are. They should be given a blanket and more American Idol to watch, not have any say in public discourse.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
They should be given a blanket and more American Idol to watch, not have any say in public discourse.

Sadly, a vast majority would be quite happy. Especially with American Idol :laugh:

Sicko was nothing but far left-wing Moore propaganda. (Per usual.)

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Skoorb
They should be given a blanket and more American Idol to watch, not have any say in public discourse.

Sadly, a vast majority would be quite happy. Especially with American Idol :laugh:

Sicko was nothing but far left-wing Moore propaganda. (Per usual.)

Wrong.

It was something more than that.

Sadly, you do not see anything past youir own partisanship.


:thumbsup:

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Just another plan to maintain the status quo, handing out public money to private insurance companies. We don't need HillaryCare, we need national health insurance.

The government running health insurance would be a huge cluster F. I'm all for a plan that lets me keep my current insurance and only covers people who don't have access to it otherwise. Why mess up health care for the people who it works for? The idea that the gub'ment can run it better than private industry is laughable.

 

[Sinsear]

And how much will my taxes be raised so I can pay for everyone elses healthcare?

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
And how much will my taxes be raised so I can pay for everyone elses healthcare?

While that is a concern, I'll point out that by simply having insurance, you are agreeing to pay for coverage that may not be commensurate to the amount that you (or the other person) paid in. So in a sense, you are already agreeing to pay for other people's health care. Private health care is a socialized system, it just isn't the government running it.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Triumph
The government running health insurance would be a huge cluster F.

That is for damn sure.

It's amazing to me that people think the government can handle this

All these scandals we have in the high office.
Police departments that can't control their officers.
Streets departments with 20 guys standing around and 1 guy working.
12+ weeks to get a passport back now.
"Right to a speedy trial" translates to 2+ years in prison until your appeal


Government agency's run in reaction mode 99% of the time. I am not willing to turn my health over to that.

 

[senseamp]

It's long overdue. We need to get rid of this national HMO nightmare once and for all.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
She can get a lot of support on this, when I saw Sicko, the audience stood up & clapped at the end, (& this was in Texas)

What college campus did you see it on?

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
She can get a lot of support on this, when I saw Sicko, the audience stood up & clapped at the end, (& this was in Texas)

What college campus did you see it on?

They clapped here in Silicon Valley too, and most people here have what is considered "Good" coverage.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Sinsear
And how much will my taxes be raised so I can pay for everyone elses healthcare?

While that is a concern, I'll point out that by simply having insurance, you are agreeing to pay for coverage that may not be commensurate to the amount that you (or the other person) paid in. So in a sense, you are already agreeing to pay for other people's health care. Private health care is a socialized system, it just isn't the government running it.

And thats the big thing. I'm choosing to pay for it. When the government gets invovled, i have to pay for it whether I want to or not.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Cheaper than iraq.

fixed.

 

[ProfJohn]

So her plan is to force everyone to get insurance, even people who don?t want insurance?

What happened to all the people constantly yelling about how Bush is tearing up the Constitution?

The left is always complaining about how Bush is trampling on their freedom with his war on terror programs, but have no problems at all with the government forcing people to do things they approve of.

If they can force you to get healthcare then next they will try to force people to eat healthy diets and exercise three times a week as well. Following that they will force people to give up SUV?s in order to save the world.

BTW From a political point of view this is going to make for some great attack ads.

Image of Hillary and her "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." speech followed by a voice over stating how Hillary now wants to force Americans to get health insurance, even if you don?t want it.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

"It puts the consumer in the driver's seat by offering more choices and lowering costs," Neera Tanden, Clinton's top policy adviser, told The Associated Press. "If you like the plan you have, you keep it. If you're one of tens of millions of Americans without coverage or don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and you'll get tax credits to help pay for it."

Yeah, right. THis fails to mention that my tax burden, to cover the people below me, is almost certaintly likely to get heavier.

Right now, although you don't realize it, you ARE supporting those who have no health care. Every time an uninsured person is sick and goes to the emergency room, that bill, if it can't be paid by the person, is passed onto you, the taxpayer. Not only do you pay your health insurance premiums, but then your tax dollars also go to cover health care.

Plus, what other alternatives do we have right now? A large part of the country can't stomach the idea of nationalized health care, but I have yet to hear anything else that even begins to make sense.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
She can get a lot of support on this, when I saw Sicko, the audience stood up & clapped at the end, (& this was in Texas)

Obviously this shows afew things:

1) People in Texas are brilliant

2) People who see Michael Moore movies in Texas are brilliant and vote regularly

3) People in Texas who would go see such a movie are obviously moderate independents who would really love to see Hillary elected.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Sinsear
And how much will my taxes be raised so I can pay for everyone elses healthcare?

While that is a concern, I'll point out that by simply having insurance, you are agreeing to pay for coverage that may not be commensurate to the amount that you (or the other person) paid in. So in a sense, you are already agreeing to pay for other people's health care. Private health care is a socialized system, it just isn't the government running it.

Does this mean I can opt out of paying the extra taxes this system will put on me? Like I can with my "private socialized system"?

 

[morkinva]

Didn't she watch Stossel 20/20 Sick in America?

edit>>thanks for correction