Hinduism

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Okay, there's been a lot of critical inquiry into Christianity, Islam etc., but hardly any when it comes to Hinduism.

I was born to Hindu parents but I am non-religious.

Let's see what becomes of this thread. Try not to troll, hate and post random crap. It'd be interesting to have a reasoned discussion.
 

justoh

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Okay, there's been a lot of critical inquiry into Christianity, Islam etc., but hardly any when it comes to Hinduism.

I was born to Hindu parents but I am non-religious.

Let's see what becomes of this thread. Try not to troll, hate and post random crap. It'd be interesting to have a reasoned discussion.

This thread itself constitutes random crap. Reasoned discussion about what? You didn't justify why this needs its own thread, and I don't see how there can be any reasonable justification for having a separate thread to discuss "critical inquiry" into any particular religion as opposed to a religion generally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
 

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This thread itself constitutes random crap. Reasoned discussion about what? You didn't justify why this needs its own thread, and I don't see how there can be any reasonable justification for having a separate thread to discuss "critical inquiry" into any particular religion as opposed to a religion generally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

Why not? You can't focus on a religion in particular which has facets associated with it that are unique in some sense in their own way? You mean to say that there are no books out there that focus on a particular religion as opposed to religion in general?

Are you telling me that there are no threads on particular religions anywhere here?
 
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Juddog

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Why not? You can't focus on a religion in particular which has facets associated with it that are unique in some sense in their own way? You mean to say that there are no books out there that focus on a particular religion as opposed to religion in general?

Are you telling me that there are no threads on particular religions anywhere here?

I think he's asking about what's being debated here.
 

smackababy

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Why not? You can't focus on a religion in particular which has facets associated with it that are unique in some sense in their own way? You mean to say that there are no books out there that focus on a particular religion as opposed to religion in general?

Are you telling me that there are no threads on particular religions anywhere here?

I believe what he is trying to say, despite attempting to be condescending, is that you are creating a thread with a vague topic and saying "go!" rather than giving a complete idea of your own on the subject. So, you are not initiating and engaging in the discussion, you are just making a thread for it.

I believe that is against the rules in DC.
 

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I believe what he is trying to say, despite attempting to be condescending, is that you are creating a thread with a vague topic and saying "go!" rather than giving a complete idea of your own on the subject. So, you are not initiating and engaging in the discussion, you are just making a thread for it.

I believe that is against the rules in DC.

Okay. That was indeed something I should have done. My bad. I just carried ahead from the "Faith and Reason. My thoughts on God..." thread (http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2331204&page=24).

So here goes:

1.) Who is a Hindu? What is "the Hindu way of life"? It is often said that Hinduism is not a religion but a "way of life". Well, that seems to be a rather vague statement. When you say that it's a way of life, there must be certain tenets in this way of life that you must adhere to in order to be called a Hindu. What are some of these tenets?

2.) What's "Hindu atheism"? How is it different from atheism or non-belief in general?
 
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justoh

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Okay. That was indeed something I should have done. My bad. I just carried ahead from the "Faith and Reason. My thoughts on God..." thread.

So here goes:

1.) Who is a Hindu? What is "the Hindu way of life"? It is often said that Hinduism is not a religion but a "way of life". Well, that seems to be a rather vague statement. When you say that it's a way of life, there must be certain tenets in this way of life that you must adhere to in order to be called a Hindu. What are some of these tenets?

2.) What's "Hindu atheism"? How is it different from atheism or non-belief in general?

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism

2. I think "hindu atheism" is nonsensical, but to the extent it may still interest anyone, there's also an informative wiki article about this silly idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism

Still don't see a point to this thread.
 

piasabird

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What is Hinduism?

Belief in Gods with 8 arms or what?

Didnt Budhism originate in India?

Why am I conjuring up images of Indiana Jones and stones that glow and children that get their hearts torn out and eaten and then sacraficed? Maybe I have watched too many movies and too much television.
 
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There's an article about "Hindu atheism" that a guy named Ajita Kamal wrote.

Is ‘Hindu Atheism’ Valid? A Rationalist Critique Of The ‘Hindu’ Identity’s Usurpation Of Indian Culture

Some excerpts from the article:

"Hinduism is a meaningless religious label. It is not an ancient philosophy that originated in India. In fact, the word Hindu is not even an Indian word. It is a superficial group identity that was concocted relatively late in the history of India. Rather than being the unified philosophy or way of thought that it masquerades to be, Hinduism is a semantic impediment to the natural evolution of cultural knowledge in India."

"Religions have always benefited when the facts are ambiguous. One such religion-driven ambiguity is in the definition of the notion of religion itself. This is the first place to start any such discussion on religion.

From a scientific point of view, we can define religion as a sub-group within a culture, possessing certain specific traits. The most fundamental of these traits is the strong group identity that religion strives to instill in its followers. In this sense, religion can be observed as a set of memes. The evolution of a religion can be studied through the memetic evolution of individual religious ideas, including the central meme that holds the religion together- the group label. The most successful religions are those that have managed to extend the label of the religion over the entire cultural spectrum of a population. The religions that manage to do this have achieved a stranglehold over the cultural evolution of that group of people. This is the most powerful strategy that religious memes have at their disposal. The way a culture gets out from under the burden of repressive religious labels is by denying religious memes their hunger for co-opting the knowledge attained by rational discourse. That is, religion is designated a limited status, separate from factual aspects of the culture in which it exists. In most Western countries, the role of religion has been mostly designated to non-rational affairs. This removal of the repressive influence of religion from fact-based aspects of human culture has been the greatest achievement of reason. Unfortunately, In India the ‘Hindu’ meme has successfully prevented many rationalists from differentiating between the religious memes of the group label ‘Hinduism’ and the rest of Indian culture.

In my article Hinduism: Religion, Culture or Way of Life, I identify three qualities possessed by religions that define them: group identity, authoritarian organization, and the tendency to increase the ability for belief in conflicting ideas (followed by cherry-picking). In that article, I demonstrated how Hinduism is similar to Islam and Christianity in these respects- not surprising since Islam and Christianity provided the conditions for the development of institutionalized Hinduism. In the same article, I also point to how Hinduism is a religion in the same sense that all of Greek philosophy and mythology is one self-contained religion. That is to say that this idea of Hinduism is not really a religion. It is simply the cultural history of a group of people, Indians. Considering a rational standardized view of what does and what does not comprise a religion, there are two distinct faces that wear the mask of ‘Hinduism’. One is religious, and the other is a lie. I intend on exposing the lie."
 
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Juddog

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Hindus don't generally go around blowing themselves up in a crowd of innocents, so they're cool with me.
 

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I was born to Hindu parents but I am non-religious.

same here.
I believe the reason why Hinduism is good since it is very philanthropic. Example- worship the trees, plant trees, feed the poor, etc.

The best thing about Hinduism is that it is very tolerant of other religions and faiths. You'll never see Hindus forcing people of other religions to convert at gunpoint.
 

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Okay, there's been a lot of critical inquiry into Christianity, Islam etc., but hardly any when it comes to Hinduism.

I was born to Hindu parents but I am non-religious.

Let's see what becomes of this thread. Try not to troll, hate and post random crap. It'd be interesting to have a reasoned discussion.

This is not a reasoned discussion. It's more like a blog of you trying to figure out what Hinduism is. An answer is that Hinduism, like Christianity, is not really a singular, but more like a plurality of subjects and views, however related, with some notion of a core.

I suggest adopting something like the following perspective: Out of the millions of potential perspectives on Hinduism or religion or God or atheism, or whatever, which perspective is in some way meaningful to you, and what are the sources you might use to inform yourself of that.

Taking up generally-disinterested and uninformed parties' view on the subject is not going to do you much good. We do have old threads and resident self-proclaimed authorities on the subject if you're interested in a subset of AT views on the topic.
 

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Hindus don't generally go around blowing themselves up in a crowd of innocents, so they're cool with me.
You are right, they don't generally do that, but Tamils are usually Hindus and the Tamil Tigers, (LTTE of Sri Lanka) did a lot of the early R&D on explosive suicide belts. You can see a picture of just such a detonation in a public place, on march tenth 2009, if go to 'Wiki, LTTE' .

I have no problem with Hindus but I think the notion of 'caste', an inescapable and inherited 'position in life', is a deeply unpleasant concept.
 

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You are right, they don't generally do that, but Tamils are usually Hindus and the Tamil Tigers, (LTTE of Sri Lanka) did a lot of the early R&D on explosive suicide belts. You can see a picture of just such a detonation in a public place, on march tenth 2009, if go to 'Wiki, LTTE' .

I have no problem with Hindus but I think the notion of 'caste', an inescapable and inherited 'position in life', is a deeply unpleasant concept.

The entire caste system is just the Hindu priests using religion for their own benefit in the same way that the Roman Catholic church used religion for their own benefit, or the sheiks used Islam to their benefit. Any time you have organized religion, it gives power to the hands of a few who naturally will try and corrupt it to their own benefit.

My personal belief is that the entire caste system in a modern day sense is rather silly to hang on to, since the reincarnational cycle can be short-circuited via application of kundalini and other such methods. Modern ideas can be spread much faster via electronic form versus the ways of old where you had to live through hundreds of lives to learn things. A human being in today's world can learn in a few years on the internet what would have taken someone many lifetimes to learn several thousand years ago.

The Nirmanakya from Buddhism and the Devas from Hinduism both exist outside of their respective religions and only use these methods as a means to advance humanity to the next level; the extra crap that goes along is unnecessary and needs to be parsed out to it's quintessential form; that is to say an updated moral system based off of reciprocity and the consequences as a whole by doing good instead of doing evil.
 

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Someone was telling me that the caste system we know now was implemented by the British because they didn't understand the way the caste system worked when they took over India. It worked more by region rather than just a overarching system. A farmer caste in one region was an upper caste in another, and people weren't completely bound to the caste they were born into.
 

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My personal belief is that the entire caste system in a modern day sense is rather silly to hang on to, ..... the extra crap that goes along is unnecessary and needs to be parsed out to it's quintessential form; that is to say an updated moral system based off of reciprocity and the consequences as a whole by doing good instead of doing evil.

I'll raise a glass to all of that.

Alas, caste clings on despite attempts to outlaw such gradations. The UK has just tried to ban caste discrimination as a sub-type of racial discrimination. But high caste Hindus and some Sikhs (!) have fought to oppose the change. Caste is not necessarily related to material success. For example a poor Brahmin will look down his nose at a wealthy Dalit.
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Someone was telling me that the caste system we know now was implemented by the British because they didn't understand the way the caste system worked when they took over India..

It was going long before the Brits arrived. But you are right, they recorded it, made it into a cumbersome bureaucracy, mis-understood its potential flexibility and generally used it as a tool for "divide and rule" politics. But the Brits left in 1947 and caste is still there. Most marriages are still 'within caste'.

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I was watching a Korean Historical Video Kim Roo Su ? Spell and the leader of this tribal clan Married a Princess from India. They definitely had some differring in cultures. She had to return home to see her people and then return by ship to get married. The return trip was rather rough and the monk/priest set up some kind of Stones to keep the ship safe. I found it all rather interesting. Just the differences in the marriage ceremony caused problems. So they just got married twice to satisfy everyone.
 

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My problem with hinduism is that's it's a complicated religion filled with ancient stuff that has nothing to do with either the european pagan or the abrahamitic religious traditions so I just can't understand what it's really about.
 

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My problem with hinduism is that's it's a complicated religion filled with ancient stuff that has nothing to do with either the european pagan or the abrahamitic religious traditions so I just can't understand what it's really about.

I'll just give you a TL;DR version of it. Hinduism is an umbrella term which encompasses huge varieties of cultures and traditions. The practices of a North Indian Hindu is totally different from that of a South Indian. There are a few scriptures that all Hindus revere: The Vedas are considered to be primary(word of God), but not everyone actually knows what they contain as they are passed down orally and also you have to belong to a certain caste to learn it(which is a pretty new development). Upanishads are texts which many consider to be complimentary to the original Vedas as they deal with the relationship between Human and God. Puranas, which were written later,go into detail about creation and destruction of universe, attributes of different gods and the basic back story of a lot of things(The lore of Hinduism).

Majority of people who identify themselves as Hindu don't know much about the primary texts at all. Very few Indians know Sanskrit and the priestly castes forbids people of other castes from reading these texts. This is kinda similar to the Catholic Church punishing people who try to translate the Bible from Greek or Latin to any other language, the difference is that the practice is still in effect to this day.

Now, this is where it gets interesting. The primary texts that I listed, do not talk about the caste system in any way. Vedas and Upanishads also don't even talk about the gods which many Hindus pray today. Bhagavad Gita and later Manusmriti talk about caste, social structure, ethics and morality.
 

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I liked the term 'spiritual anarchist' in the above link, but I think it needs to be considered further.

The highest spirituality indeed moves in a free and wide air far above that lower stage of seeking which is governed by religious form and dogma; it does not easily bear their limitations and, even when it admits, it transcends them; it lives in an experience which to the formal religious mind is unintelligible. But man does not arrive immediately at that highest inner elevation and, if it were demanded from him at once, he would never arrive there. At first he needs lower supports and stages of ascent; he asks for some scaffolding of dogma, worship, image, sign, form, symbol, some indulgence and permission of mixed half-natural motive on which he can stand while he builds up in him the temple of the spirit. Only when the temple is completed, can the supports be removed, the scaffolding disappear. The religious culture which now goes by the name of Hinduism not only fulfilled this purpose, but, unlike certain credal religions, it knew its purpose. It gave itself no name, because it set itself no sectarian limits; it claimed no universal adhesion, asserted no sole infallible dogma, set up no single narrow path or gate of salvation; it was less a creed or cult than a continuously enlarging tradition of the Godward endeavour of the human spirit. An immense many-sided many-staged provision for a spiritual self-building and self-finding, it had some right to speak of itself by the only name it knew, the eternal religion, sanâtana dharma. It is only if we have a just and right appreciation of this sense and spirit of Indian religion that we can come to an understanding of the true sense and spirit of Indian culture.

- Aurobindo
 
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