HIS 4850 blue-screening Vista

[hoppa]

I'm reinstalling Vista (again) and going straight to the 9.1s. I just want this to work I know it wont though. Life is cruel. If this doesn't work I'm going back to XP pro, I'm going to keep the card. The sheer amount of google results for "vista 4850 bsod" is staggering. Many many forum posts just like this one.

 

[hoppa]

Oh and I'm going to check for an IRQ conflict, though I only have a single PCI card in so I'm too hopeful on that. I also may take a shot with this one I read from another similar post:

(3) After install, reboot the system immediately into SAFE MODE.
(4) From SAFE MODE, go to administrative tool / SERVICES and locate the ATI External Event Service. Set this service to disabled. Reboot normally into your standard operational mode.

Might as well, eh?

 

[hoppa]

I give up, I'm installing XP. Same kind of shit was happening when installed the 9.1s up front. It worked a couple times, and then after never really worked again. I've tried everything I can think of. If XP doesn't work, then I don't know, maybe it is the PSU, but I doubt it, and I have a feeling XP will work like a charm.

 

[AzN]

IT worked couple of times?

Did you check the IRQ?

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: hoppa
I'm reinstalling Vista (again) and going straight to the 9.1s. I just want this to work I know it wont though. Life is cruel. If this doesn't work I'm going back to XP pro, I'm going to keep the card. The sheer amount of google results for "vista 4850 bsod" is staggering. Many many forum posts just like this one.

I have 2 4850's and running vista right now. At first it was a single card, and now Im running a pair of 4850's in crossfire and have yet to have any problems at all with my system, and Im not using the new 9.1 driver yet either. I have a antec 550watt sli psu running a tv tuner, both 4850's, a LG HD DVD/BR/Burner, samsung burner, amd 6000+ 120 watt am2+ cpu, 4 sticks of pc800 ram, 2 keyboards, 2 mice, tablet, pc camera, 3 120mm fans, and 3 hard drives. I also build computers, and there are a few reasons for your problem, one is a weak psu, which you say is new and has enough power, though I have bought new stuff and had them not work right. Another problem is a hardware conflict and or software, but the fact it boots into safe mode has me thinking it may not be either of them. Another reason can be a poorly pasted cpu and or gpu which will cause massive heat in full boot mode, if not seated properly or lapped properly it will cause heat spots on the die, which can cause problems and work half ass. Computers are wierd and in the hundreds Ive built Ive seen all kinds of things that made me go "WTF, ok, so it was because it didnt like my sound card", which I have had many Creative card make my systems go all crazy, CLSO, lock ups, restarts out of no where, shut downs, just crazy shit cause by a lousy sound card.

So as I mentioned before you need to see where the volts are at in bios, you never did say what bios is showing as the volts other then they are steady. You also need to rip everything out and turn off everything but just the bare hardware to get the computer to boot. And if it does then you can sorta pinpoint what it was you had installed that was actually causing the problems. And should you go back to P and its still acting up then you will know for sure that it is a hardware issue and not a software problem. Considering both os's install pretty quick it can be an easy place to start at and go further provided you volts are not below where they need to be when you check in bios.

 

[hoppa]

Yep, different IRQ. It would work on and off on the other installs too. Sometimes it would boot, sometimes it wouldn't. Sometimes it would get past the windows loading bar but then would just be black and stay black and I needed to hard reset. It booted into safe mode perfectly 100% of the time though.

 

[AzN]

What brand is your power supply? Model?

 

[hoppa]

>What brand is your power supply? Model?

I've got an MSI p45 neo and Corsair 450W ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817139003 )


>You also need to rip everything out and turn off everything but just the bare hardware to get the computer to boot. And if it does then you can sorta pinpoint what it was you had installed that was actually causing the problems.

How will that help anything? The computer boots fine every single time. It just blue screens when Vista loads. I don't see how mixing and matching components will do anything whatsoever.

I'm installing graphics drivers right now on XP, we will see what happens.

 

[AzN]

That power supply is definitely enough. I doubt it's the power supply. It's probably your MSI mobo which I avoid like a plague. Try updating bios.

 

[hoppa]

Well, XP isn't booting either with the graphics drivers installed. I guess I'll try for the power supply. Can anyone recommend a good, more powerful model?

 

[AzN]

Try updating the bios. IT could just be that card you know.

 

[RallyMaster]

I would suggest a Corsair HX520.

Oh yeah, are you on the P45 Neo3-FR? If you are, there's some BIOS update on MSI's site that allows for HD4870X2 support. It might fix a hidden issue with the 4850 you have as well. My Asus 4850 worked out of the box with my P43 Neo3-F though so I've a feeling something's up with that card and not the drivers.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: hoppa
>What brand is your power supply? Model?

I've got an MSI p45 neo and Corsair 450W ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817139003 )


>You also need to rip everything out and turn off everything but just the bare hardware to get the computer to boot. And if it does then you can sorta pinpoint what it was you had installed that was actually causing the problems.

How will that help anything? The computer boots fine every single time. It just blue screens when Vista loads. I don't see how mixing and matching components will do anything whatsoever.

I'm installing graphics drivers right now on XP, we will see what happens.

OK this is my psu.

As for removing hardware, its because there are times that though it may boot into safe mode, it wont boot regular because in safe mode only the bare drivers are installed, just the ones needed to get it to boot into safe mode a and thats it, its not running your hardware at its 100% as it would if it boots the other way. Hence why when your in safe mode and try to open some programs you get a message thats says your in safe mode and not all the functions of the program may not be working correctly. Again this is why when your having troubles as you are you must start with just enough hardware to boot into windows and thats it. If it boots fine and your programs you were tying do not crash, then you can start to pin point what hardware it was giving you trouble, and see if there is a fix or driver, or something else you will need to buy to replace it for it is not compatible with your system or os software. To you it doesnt make sense, but when you been building them for as long as I have and had some of the things go wacky and found the reasons why, you normally would not as for help and then when you get it question that person who is trying to point you in the direction you need to go in to find out what is the cause of your troubles.

Computers are a total pita, no matter who makes them, or what parts are in them, I have only come into a select few that I was able to install it all and be finished with no problems at all, but then there are some that fight me tooth and nail and takes me days to pint point what the cause of it all is.

>How will that help anything? The computer boots fine every single time. It just blue screens when Vista loads. I don't see how mixing and matching components will do anything whatsoever.

But with your replies it is clear you dont really want the help, or feel like questioning the help for you dont understand really why Im saying that I am, and have still yet to answer my question and another member asking you about where your volts are showing under the bios screen, so this is my last reply. Im trying to help you with my over 10 years of building computer for personal and business use drom scratch, not buying a dell and setting that up. Ive seen and done things you just dont understand or can comprehend why Im telling you to try, but there is a reason for my madness and YOU DID ask for help.

You can feel free to look at google to see what kinds of hardware will cause you probblems if you feel like not listening to me.

 

[hoppa]

Can I not update the bios without a floppy drive? It doesn't look like I can.

 

[hoppa]

voltage is 1.304, 3.312, 4.918, 12.232. CPU and system temp are 49/33.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: hoppa
voltage is 1.304, 3.312, 4.918, 12.232. CPU and system temp are 49/33.

no, that is not your voltages, your doing it wrong.

Have you tried using the older set of drivers; 8.12's and the hotfixes?
To me this sounds like a issue with the card itself and nothing more.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: hoppa
voltage is 1.304, 3.312, 4.918, 12.232. CPU and system temp are 49/33.

no, that is not your voltages, your doing it wrong.

Have you tried using the older set of drivers; 8.12's and the hotfixes?
To me this sounds like a issue with the card itself and nothing more.

I asked for bios reading for it is a base to start at. He needs to start to troubleshoot to see what is causing the problem he is having, for it can be his video card, but if he starts out with nothing turned on in bios, just has the card driver for the 4850 installed, and maybe a few 3dmark programs and tries to see if it will boot for one, and then after that do a few 3dmart tests he would have narrowed down the cause of his problem, and the most important, main parts of his rid can be taken out as the causes he is having problems with. But if he doesnt take everything out, runs one stick of memory, and turns off his on board audio, lan, etc, its going to be a nightmare to jsut keep reinstalling windows in hopes it may work for some reason. there is a cause, but you must start with step one and move on from there. You dont take your car to the mechanic and tell him the motor is running poor and he suggests that you flush your radiator, there are steps you must take, and step one is get the rig started with as little stuff in it as possible. If it boots, you got other issues. If not, then you try a different psu if you can get your hands on one, check the video card to be sure they put the right amount of thermal paste between the chip and the heatsink, for I have seen them glob the crap on, and then Ive seen NOTHING on them. But it all has to start at step one, removing it all, turning it all off in bios, and proceed from there with your findings.

 

[hoppa]

Well, once again I've subbed in an old 7600gt and everything is running perfectly. I'm back on with my plan of RMAing the ATi and getting a 9800gt, I'll let you guys know what happens. I feel pretty confident about it. Thanks for the help.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: hoppa
Well, once again I've subbed in an old 7600gt and everything is running perfectly. I'm back on with my plan of RMAing the ATi and getting a 9800gt, I'll let you guys know what happens. I feel pretty confident about it. Thanks for the help.

You didn't try to install the drivers during the Vista install, did you?

 

[hoppa]

>You didn't try to install the drivers during the Vista install, did you?

Couldn't get it to work, but I really doubt that's the problem.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: hoppa
>You didn't try to install the drivers during the Vista install, did you?

Couldn't get it to work, but I really doubt that's the problem.

I guess you'll never know now!

 

[funboy6942]

Wanna trade your 4850 for my 9800GT?? I will trade you for yours and $20 card for card. Mine is a Evga, and hardly been used, maybe a month at most and works 100% in xp and vista. This way you wont have to rma, I have almost 200 heat in my sig, lmk for Im still going to say it works fine, JUST as long as you dont go tearing into it any further, meaning removing heatsink, prying on anything, just box it, ship it, once it shows, with receipt, I will send mine if yours works or not for I know I may be trading for a broken card. Mine is a single slut cooler.

 

[imported_seferio]

Is everything else stock on your system? I can't believe no one bothered to ask him what processor, RAM, peripherals, etc. that he was also using. The problem could have been the result of the combination of components. In any case the Corsair 450VX is a very good PSU, so I'm thinking it's more of a RAM (timing) or motherboard issue which crops up as a result of a 4850 putting more of a stress on the system than a 7600GT.

Also, most newer motherboards can be flashed from within the bios via a USB thumb drive instead of a floppy.

 

[hoppa]

Core 2 Duo E8400, CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400), a few HDs, an MSI wireless card PCI.

 

[imported_seferio]

Well if you didn't RMA yet, I suggest trying to flash the motherboard using a thumb drive.