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b-mac

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Boy am I glad that I went the 7970 over the 770 a few years ago. The 7970 keeps chugging along like a champ in these newer games while the 770 and its brethren seems to be slowing down.
 

BlitzWulf

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Boy am I glad that I went the 7970 over the 770 a few years ago. The 7970 keeps chugging along like a champ in these newer games while the 770 and its brethren seems to be slowing down.

I know the feeling i was very close to buying a 970 last year I ended up finding a 390X for the same price as a factory oc 970 ,I'm very pleased. My friends told me I was dumb for buying AMD,I'm just like,ok I'm gonna go take a nap now, wake me up when my graphics card stops getting faster.
 

desprado

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As i said before that Hitman was dead on sight. Why?

They focus too much on AMD which caused game sales down to the gutter. They simply forget about DX11 due to AMD desperate DX12 attempts. 52% negative review on steam simply because performance issues on Nvidia card even on DX11. Even on forum square enix said that they are really disappointed with the sales on PC with this game. Of course the will die if they game is focusing on only 20% of PC users.

AMD evolve developers now need to learn from Rise of the Tomb Raider and The Division that do not cripple DX11 performance to make a certain vendors.

Why The Division and Rise of the Tomb Raider sold well on PC because they target majority and make sure that it is playable for every not only for minority in PC gaming which do not even contribute in 5% games sales.

Gears of Wars and Rise of The Tomb Raider are far better ports then AMD evolve 2016.
 
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desprado

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How come AMD Evolved didn't kill the original Tomb Raider then?
2016 i am talk about. The Division, Gears of War, and Rise of The Tomb Raider are far far better ports then any gaming evolve port this year and it will and all gaming evolve sales faith will be like Hitman and ATOS which are non selling. AMD need to stop desperate DX12 attempts or they follow path of Hitman sales.
 

tential

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2016 i am talk about. The Division, Gears of War, and Rise of The Tomb Raider are far far better ports then any gaming evolve port this year and it will and all gaming evolve sales faith will be like Hitman and ATOS which are non selling. AMD need to stop desperate DX12 attempts or they follow path of Hitman sales.

You believe the GPU vendor behind the game is more important than the actual game itself?

For example:
If Gears of War, The Division and Rise of the Tomb Raider were GE titles
and AOTS and Hitman were Gameworks

Would AOTS and Hitman have sold well?
 

desprado

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You believe the GPU vendor behind the game is more important than the actual game itself?

For example:
If Gears of War, The Division and Rise of the Tomb Raider were GE titles
and AOTS and Hitman were Gameworks

Would AOTS and Hitman have sold well?
Hitman game is good. If you look the review 90% people are complaining about DX11 problem and DX12 crashing and bsod problem on Nvidia. I told last time and again that majority matters 90% of the time when you are selling game on PC.

Some poster thought that Hitman will be port of the year and game of the year. Only i was the one who said this game will simply go down because too much focus on minority.
 
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tential

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Hitman game is good. If you look the review 90% people are complaining about DX11 problem and DX12 crashing and bsod problem on Nvidia. I told last time and again. Majority matters 90% of time when you are selling game on PC.

Some poster thought that Hitman will be port of the year and game of the year. Only i was the one who said this game will simply go down because too much focus on minority.

So you believe Hitman game is a great game, but held back by AMD.
Ok, what about AOTS? Do you think AOTS would be a good game if it was developed by someone that wasn't Oxide and Nvidia helped them implement DX12?
How do you explain Hitman doing worse on console relative to Rise of the Tomb Raider? Did AMD hold back the game on console as well?
 

Spanners

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As i said before that Hitman was dead on sight. Why?

They focus too much on AMD which caused game sales down to the gutter. They simply forget about DX11 due to AMD desperate DX12 attempts. 52% negative review on steam simply because performance issues on Nvidia card even on DX11. Even on forum square enix said that they are really disappointed with the sales on PC with this game. Of course the will die if they game is focusing on only 20% of PC users.

AMD evolve developers now need to learn from Rise of the Tomb Raider and The Division that do not cripple DX11 performance to make a certain vendors.

Why The Division and Rise of the Tomb Raider sold well on PC because they target majority and make sure that it is playable for every not only for minority in PC gaming which do not even contribute in 5% games sales.

Gears of Wars and Rise of The Tomb Raider are far better ports then AMD evolve 2016.

It's a bit simplistic to say the game hasn't sold well "simply" because of bad performance on Nvidia. I haven't read every user review online obviously but I saw a lot of criticism from people regarding the episodic nature of the game / lack of content, the DRM and various other bugs and glitches. You seem to be implying the game failed entirely due to it being a Gaming Evolved title.

Also recent quarterly sales ≠ market share (no doubt Nvidia are clearly in the majority).
 
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desprado

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So you believe Hitman game is a great game, but held back by AMD.
Ok, what about AOTS? Do you think AOTS would be a good game if it was developed by someone that wasn't Oxide and Nvidia helped them implement DX12?
How do you explain Hitman doing worse on console relative to Rise of the Tomb Raider? Did AMD hold back the game on console as well?

Simply because they way they marketed and port it. Game was dead on sight simply when they launch beta and how much it was favoring 1 side. It was dead on that time.

2 of 2 flop on PC.

Third is Total Warhammer i grantee you that if they do not market concentrate on majority.
 

IllogicalGlory

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Hitman game is good. If you look the review 90% people are complaining about DX11 problem and DX12 crashing and bsod problem on Nvidia. I told last time and again that majority matters 90% of the time when you are selling game on PC.

Some poster thought that Hitman will be port of the year and game of the year. Only i was the one who said this game will simply go down because too much focus on minority.
Hitman is plagued with problems same as 90% of all PC ports in the last year. This includes Gameworks - Dying Light's broken CPU usage, RotR's broken CPU usage, Just Cause 3's horrendous loading times, glitches, memory leaks and CPU suck, (still a fun game tho) ARK: Survival Evolved, Gears of War, Watch Dogs, Batman: Arkham Knight, Far Cry 4, Fallout 4...

Hitman sucks, no doubt about it, but other GE titles like Dirt: Rally, Battlefield 4 and Battlefront were/are, relatively speaking, paragons of PC done right.
20% of PC users
According to Steam survey, NV outnumbers AMD 2:1

Ashes of the Singularity is a really fun and pretty incredible game. 6 player multiplayer, each one controlling thousands of units, MSAA, small hit for increasing resolution. :thumbsup:
 
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desprado

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It's a bit simplistic to say the game hasn't sold well "simply" because of bad performance on Nvidia. I haven't read every user review online obviously but I saw a lot of criticism from people regarding the episodic nature of the game / lack of content, the DRM and various other bugs and glitches. You seen to be imply the game failed entirely due to it being a Gaming Evolved title.

Also recent quarterly sales ≠ market share (no doubt Nvidia are clearly in the majority).
Game was dead on sight when people saw beta performance and how much game was one sided.
 

desprado

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Hitman is plagued with problems same as 90% of all PC ports in the last year. This includes Gameworks - Dying Light's broken CPU usage, RotR's broken CPU usage, Just Cause 3's horrendous loading times, glitches, memory leaks and CPU suck, (still a fun game tho) ARK: Survival Evolved, Gears of War, Watch Dogs, Batman: Arkham Knight, Far Cry 4, Fallout 4...

Hitman sucks, no doubt about it, but other GE titles like Dirt: Rally, Battlefield 4 and Battlefront were/are, relatively speaking, paragons of PC done right.

Yes but you compare the sales. Developers cannot botch majority of PC gamers performance. At the end it is matter that the game it sold

Watch Dogs sold well on PC. More then 2 million

Dying Light sold 1.5 million

Fallout 4 sold 4 million

Ark Sold 2.8 million

Just Cause 3 sold 0.52 million on PC

etc.

Again only sales is the thing that developers focus on.
 
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Game was dead on sight when people saw beta performance and how much game was one sided.

Probably, perhaps nothing to do with releasing a game with only 1/6th the content.

If your theory of games flopping is how well they run for AMD vs NV, last I checked, The Division runs really well on AMD and it's Ubisoft's biggest hit, ever.

What about Battlefront? Great looking game, runs great on AMD, but lacking in content...

http://gamerant.com/star-wars-battlefront-sales-848/

Sold 12 million copies. TWELVE MILLION!

Now, mostly it's console, but that's where the $ is for these studios. Ofc they are going to optimize for console. Just like Far Cry Primal, runs great on AMD, console selling great, money in the bank. Want a repeat? Need for Speed, the new one, performs excellent on AMD, but it's an afterthought because it's made with console optimizations in mind so that it runs well on PS4.
 

mysticjbyrd

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I really like Hitman, but I was immediately turned off when I heard about their business model for the game. This was months before anyone heard anything about performance! I am sure a lot of other fans of the series felt the same way.

I could easily afford it, but I am an advocate of voting with your dollar. So, now instead of getting full retail from me, I will be picking it up the whole game on greenmangaming for a few dollars next year.
 
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desprado

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Probably, perhaps nothing to do with releasing a game with only 1/6th the content.

If your theory of games flopping is how well they run for AMD vs NV, last I checked, The Division runs really well on AMD and it's Ubisoft's biggest hit, ever.

What about Battlefront? Great looking game, runs great on AMD, but lacking in content...

http://gamerant.com/star-wars-battlefront-sales-848/

Sold 12 million copies. TWELVE MILLION!

Now, mostly it's console, but that's where the $ is for these studios. Ofc they are going to optimize for console. Just like Far Cry Primal, runs great on AMD, console selling great, money in the bank. Want a repeat? Need for Speed, the new one, performs excellent on AMD, but it's an afterthought because it's made with console optimizations in mind so that it runs well on PS4.

you clearly understand what was done. The game was only focusing to sell AMD GPUs not the game it self. Same faith will follow with Total Warhammer if they botch like Hitman for the sake of AMD.

I am talking about PC. Do you know what is PC?
 

desprado

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I really like Hitman, but I was immediately turned off when I heard about their business model for the game. This was months before anyone heard anything about performance! I am sure a lot of other fans of the series felt the same way.

I could easily afford it, but I am an advocate of voting with your dollar. So, now instead of getting full retail from me, I will be picking it up the whole game on greenmangaming for a few dollars next year.
It was dead when they launch Beta and did not even comment about Nvidia performance and simply deleted topics in their forum about Nvidia performance.
 

AtenRa

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Well then, better all those NV users upgrade to AMD GPUs then because more DX-12 games are coming
 

ThatBuzzkiller

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Well then, better all those NV users upgrade to AMD GPUs then because more DX-12 games are coming

AMD GPUs must be better so they best stop complaining and just buy the better hardware like they once proclaimed against the other side ...
 

littleg

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Hitman game is good. If you look the review 90% people are complaining about DX11 problem and DX12 crashing and bsod problem on Nvidia. I told last time and again that majority matters 90% of the time when you are selling game on PC.

Some poster thought that Hitman will be port of the year and game of the year. Only i was the one who said this game will simply go down because too much focus on minority.

Nvidia's crappy drivers again. Maybe they should focus more on solving their driver issues than making Geralt look nice.
 
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you clearly understand what was done. The game was only focusing to sell AMD GPUs not the game it self. Same faith will follow with Total Warhammer if they botch like Hitman for the sake of AMD.

I am talking about PC. Do you know what is PC?

Do you think these big studios care that a game runs sub-optimal on NVIDIA when the bulk of their sales are on consoles? Unless NV pays to sponsor the port, they are gonna get sub-optimal performance, that's just how AAA cross-platform development works. Target the console hardware and optimize it.

I already showed you Battlefront, AMD sponsored. 12M copies.

What about the new Far Cry Primal? Not NV sponsored, runs much better on AMD.

Record sales.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/11/far-cry-primal-outsold-far-cry-4-in-us-february-top-10-5746080/

‘greater sales than Far Cry 4 when adjusted for the number of days the games sold within their respective launch months’.

So, you're dreaming if you think these AAA studios care whether NVIDIA is running worse than AMD. If NV wants them to care, they have to folk out the $$.

ps. That's why they call it a PC port and not the other way around. Get it?
 

desprado

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Do you think these big studios care that a game runs sub-optimal on NVIDIA when the bulk of their sales are on consoles? Unless NV pays to sponsor the port, they are gonna get sub-optimal performance, that's just how AAA cross-platform development works. Target the console hardware and optimize it.

I already showed you Battlefront, AMD sponsored. 12M copies.

What about the new Far Cry Primal? Not NV sponsored, runs much better on AMD.

Record sales.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/11/far-cry-primal-outsold-far-cry-4-in-us-february-top-10-5746080/



So, you're dreaming if you think these AAA studios care whether NVIDIA is running 10-20% worse than AMD. If NV wants them to care, they have to folk out the $$.
You are just talking non sense. I am talking about PC and you are talking about Console. First learn the difference between console and PC then you post in tech topics.
 
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