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AtenRa

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yeap, if you put a HD7950/70GHz against a GTX 680 today, especially in DX-12 games the Tahiti is faster.
 

master_shake_

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Absolutely not. We are skeptical of Maxwell on a niche forum. The average person will buy your 980s close to full price.....

I got my R9 290 for $200, and the person went out and bought a GTX 970 new. It's doing worse in the games he is playing than the 290 he sold to me.

People just buy based on what they believe is right, they rarely look at benches, and I've seen people look at benches and not understand them. Which I don't get at all....



wow.
 

AtenRa

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I got my R9 290 for $200, and the person went out and bought a GTX 970 new. It's doing worse in the games he is playing than the 290 he sold to me.

Best AMD/NVIDIA customer, in 4-6 months he will sell his 970 at $150 and buy a new 14/16nm card. That will put him with a new $300 Graphics Card buy each year
 

tential

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He just formatted too due to the NVidia driver thing. Like I felt bad, but well, he wanted to go with Nvidia and who was I to stop him.

But he also switched too because of AMD Raptr or whatever. It wouldn't update his drivers for him so he went to the Geforce Experience.

Hence why I say, Geforce Experience rocks when it works.
 

thesmokingman

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He just formatted too due to the NVidia driver thing. Like I felt bad, but well, he wanted to go with Nvidia and who was I to stop him.

But he also switched too because of AMD Raptr or whatever. It wouldn't update his drivers for him so he went to the Geforce Experience.

Hence why I say, Geforce Experience rocks when it works.


I wonder if his OS is hosed now with recent driver updates, thanks GE?
 

pj-

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I don't recommend ANYONE sell their panel to swap vendors if you invest in Gsync/Freesync. It's a wash then. Does it matter if you're getting 42 FPS and an R9 390 user gets 10 more FPS than you at 1440p? You're still in Gsync range, so it's all gravy baby.

When I built my PC last year I initially wanted to do a Fury X/Freesync combo but the performance in games at the time just wasn't there. Plus they were sold out everywhere at launch and I had already put off my build a couple months waiting for Fury X to come out. I caved and went 980ti/gsync.

If Nvidia's 980ti replacement comes out and there is a significant gulf between it and AMD's equivalent, either in performance or value, I will switch to AMD with only minor teeth gritting.
 

tential

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I mean it's up to you I don't think it is a difference between the two once you add free sync and gsync. Gsync is just a joke to me with flexibility.
 

parvadomus

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Its not really that surprising with a low level API. Just look at all the Tonga/Fury issues with Mantle and BF4/Thief. And I think its just a DX12 side effect we have to deal with. It needs optimization from the devs for every single uarch.

Pure bullshit unless you prove it. GCN 1.1 probably lacked Mantle tunning at driver level, cause DX12 was already going to come out.
 
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Are these guys trying to measure with FCAT or something? Why the heck are they crossing out so much of their reviews.

DX12 + FCAT do not mix.

And what is this talk at the start where people were saying AMD perform poorly in DX12? Because the stock 390 is wrecking a highly OC 980.

Both the 390/X are even close to the 980Ti that's a massively OC model.







Compared to DX11:



There is a GCN advantage, but DX12 takes it to another level. Look at the 390 fly in DX12.

This game clearly favors AMD way more than Ashes of the Singularity.
 
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Qwertilot

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Well we've already seen specifically GCN 1.2 crash and burn quite horribly on a released DX12 game. Maybe a buggy mess or something, but the fact it was possible is the thing

We'll get a very good idea how bad it'll be when the next gen cards come out - with the huge die shrink they'll all be quite different on an architectural level to any of the 28nm ones (and also to the consoles of course) so if there are going to be major problems going forwards we should find out quite fast.

Of course, not hyper critical given that they should all have more than enough firepower to chew through anything that can run on the current consoles!
 

PPB

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Are these guys trying to measure with FCAT or something? Why the heck are they crossing out so much of their reviews.

DX12 + FCAT do not mix.

And what is this talk at the start where people were saying AMD perform poorly in DX12? Because the stock 390 is wrecking a highly OC 980.

Both the 390/X are even close to the 980Ti that's a massively OC model.

It became apparent that both companies are pushing different commercial strategies based on the underlying architectural philosophies in their hardware. One is clearly going for a "subscription" model, giving you good performance as long as your model is the "current generation", because they 100% dedicated into optimizing the current uarch, which tends to differ in a good degree from the previous releases, while the other company gives you performance improvements as long as the underlying architecture (GCN) stays mostly the same, which at this point did for 4+ years.

A sad day for all these GCN cards will be when AMD decides to move foward and flip the table upside down with a totally different architecture. From what I gather Polaris will not be the case, so it is still a good moment to run a GCN card. Kepler and now Maxwell users on the other hand....
 
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It became apparent that both companies are pushing different commercial strategies based on the underlying architectural philosophies in their hardware. One is clearly going for a "subscription" model, giving you good performance as long as your model is the "current generation", because they 100% dedicated into optimizing the current uarch, which tends to differ in a good degree from the previous releases, while the other company gives you performance improvements as long as the underlying architecture (GCN) stays mostly the same, which at this point did for 4+ years.

A sad day for all these GCN cards will be when AMD decides to move foward and flip the table upside down with a totally different architecture. From what I gather Polaris will not be the case, so it is still a good moment to run a GCN card. Kepler and now Maxwell users on the other hand....

I agree with you there fully, AMD will remain on GCN for the near future because GCN afterall was at the core of Mantle and that developed into DX12/Vulkan. A GCN-like design with multi-engines will always be optimal for this generation of API and we're only starting to enter this new era.

We will see NV's next uarch becoming GCN-like, with a multi-engine design to take advantage of parallel workloads. It basically has to, if they want to take advantage of the API the industry is moving to.

Would not be surprised at all if Volta has a hardware scheduler, returning to the compute focused roots that made "CUDA cores" famous, but with a vast array of independent engine and so they can push the heck out of Async Compute to the max.

Realistically, how long do you think this gen of API will last, DX12/Vulkan? DX11 had some legs, and DX12/Vulkan has only begun, so we could be seeing this era last another 5-6 years.
 
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sontin

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It became apparent that both companies are pushing different commercial strategies based on the underlying architectural philosophies in their hardware. One is clearly going for a "subscription" model, giving you good performance as long as your model is the "current generation", because they 100% dedicated into optimizing the current uarch, which tends to differ in a good degree from the previous releases, while the other company gives you performance improvements as long as the underlying architecture (GCN) stays mostly the same, which at this point did for 4+ years.

Sure, that must be the reason why nVidia is 50% faster in GoW. :thumbsup:
 
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Sure, that must be the reason why nVidia is 50% faster in GoW. :thumbsup:

You didn't know AMD released a driver for GOW? Not too bad, since they didn't have access to it and weren't told of the game's release.

60% performance boost! Now everything runs at the 60 fps cap in that UWP app.

Even GameWorks can't gimp GCN for long these days, pretty weak they should stop wasting all that $ on a useless program.
 

PPB

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Sure, that must be the reason why nVidia is 50% faster in GoW. :thumbsup:

Congrats on your preferred GPU vendor being faster in a rehashed, DX9 era game ported on DX12!! JHH gave they day off to everyone in the office after such a decisive win for them which will sure make a dent in the public percepction that Maxwell is getting trashed in the other 90% of the DX12 games by rebranded 2013 cards.

You didn't know AMD released a driver for GOW? Not too bad, since they didn't have access to it and weren't told of the game's release.

60% performance boost!

Even GameWorks can't gimp GCN for long these days, pretty weak they should stop wasting all that $ on a useless program.

Wait wait, you telling me such a decisive win for Nvidia is now a tied situation after proper drivers for GoW from AMD? Yikes. And here I was thinking we were seeing the start of Nvidia proving this was the API they worked with MS so, so much for the past half decade.

Quickly, bring us some R&D numbers of both companies, so we can all have a good laugh of what all those R&D expenditures in both hardware (Maxwell) and software (Gameworks) were worth. All that money was probably better spent in more dev bribing and forum trolls. Probably Kepler with proper driver optimizations would have given a better showing than this poor excuse of an new architecture.

Here's hoping that Pascal does at least have a big due date plotted in the card's box so we can have an idea when it is time to dump it into the second hand market if it is going to continue the lame trend Kepler and Maxwell now are showing to us.
 
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USER8000

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update:


What are the first few posts in this thread going on about??

A 1.4GHZ GTX980TI is only 10% faster in DX12 than an R9 390X?? D:

A 1.3GHZ GTX980 being destroyed by an R9 390 running at 1GHZ??

How is that a great result for Nvidia??

I have a GTX960 myself,but how can anybody twist this result into a failure for AMD??
 
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crisium

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The original benchmarks, before updating, had a Fury non-X only a little faster than a 980 at 1080p. That was deemed a failure by two users here.
 

PPB

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I have a GTX960 myself,but how can anybody twist this result into a failure for AMD??

It is easy, you need at least 1 INTERNET STRONGMAN. With 2 you are mostly covered tho as you would have 1.7x the FUDING throughput (yeah, they scale as good as the cards in mGPU they are trying to defend), then they will come to the thread quickly to spin the results to whatever the new goalposts are.
 
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The odd thing though is in DX11, Fiji is well optimized.



This does actually suggest DX12 requires game developers to optimize on an architecture-specific basis.

It's clear due to Fiji being frame rate locked to 60 while Hawaii is not, there are major differences at play for sure.
 

USER8000

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It is easy, you need at least 1 INTERNET STRONGMAN. With 2 you are mostly covered tho as you would have 1.7x the FUDING throughput (yeah, they scale as good as the cards in mGPU they are trying to defend), then they will come to the thread quickly to spin the results to whatever the new goalposts are.

LMAO!!

The odd thing though is in DX11, Fiji is well optimized.



This does actually suggest DX12 requires game developers to optimize on an architecture-specific basis.

It's clear due to Fiji being frame rate locked to 60 while Hawaii is not, there are major differences at play for sure.

Wait,what in DX11 a Fury non-X is matching a 1.4GHZ GTX980TI??

 

Glo.

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Lets don't forget that this is Gaming Evolved title, so it will make AMD GPUs look good.
 
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