Originally posted by: Kinguni
Originally posted by: PoofAs of the time of my post right now, I have 4205 posts here, 5018 over on Ars, AND about 750 or so on your own BBR board sweety... How 'bout yerself????
Now that I figured out how to quote someone here, I only started reading at ARS when the cheating issue came to light, and make sure that I read every thread and post there on the matter. No insult was intended, only that same had been posted over there and some of the antics there have been a little to dramatic for my liking.
I believe that most of the existing cheaters have been taken care of, but that still leaves them the option of rejoining and doing the same thing over again.
Let's put it this way... I am a member of many tech forums. Each one has it's own unique personality and way of going about things. Each has its own community and I try to recognize that and adapt to the environment to which I'm posting.
Because I belong to these different forums and have made friends on all of them, it pains me to see the animosity that pops up between them because in my heart I know that there are more "good" people that post on them then bad.
It is true and pretty obvious that Ars has chosen to take a "lead" on this cheating thing as Arsians have felt that being the #1 in that project gives them enough "pull" to get something done about it. There is "power" that comes with being a top team and I have even seen it wielded here with Dnet, when their projects were the primary focus of Anandtech... And issues that impacted those projects' communities, that needed to be resolved, were resolved.
There are a number of TeAm members here who have quietly been following the threads over on Ars and some have been keeping folks here updated on the happenings. But as you can tell, it is not a critical, drop dead issue here.
Still, the fact that according to threads there, over 9,000,000 results have been purged - that is nothing to sneeze at. And I think if Starfire saw say Team Canada (hypothetically of course - no offense to my Canadian friends... ) suddenly propel itself past them within a month or two and then your team tried to legitimately ramp up to meet the challenge by recruiting, buying more machines and/or borging more machines, and then you find out that TC only got where they were because of a few idiots who were cheating, then I think you would feel a little differently. As you might realize, it was
this that sortof got fragile ticked deep down on some emotional level, and he basically pulled out of DC altogether for awhile, later resurfacing on the Free-DC team and now back to crunching for Ars. That "confession" still reverberates almost 2 years later over there It is a powerful thread and IMHO, really reflects the mindset of the underground cheater community. These are the folks who brought you seti303gti, which is STILL out there and is still being used, and SETI never bothered to come out with a 3.04 that could at least try to invalidate the results from it.
Be that as it may, I hope that some good comes out of this and I also hope that every team will deal with their own "in house". I have been saying this for some time. They need to be given the tools to do this, but THEY should be doing the looking and Ars shouldn't have to be the one to initiate that.
I do wish Starfire well and I think it's time for ya'll to kick some KWSN butt!