HOA forces owners to keep garage open during the day

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JimKiler

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There has to be a limit to their power, and I imagine it lies in the land of physical and/or material damages.
They can't mandate that you leave your daughter's curtains open at night, or that you must leave your front door unlocked when no one is home (which is virtually the same thing as in the OP).
HOA loses this one, but it'll take a lawyer so really everyone loses this one.
Except the lawyer, I suppose.

Valid point. Can HOA state the front door has to be unlocked all day as well? I lived in under an HOA for 5 years which was 5 years too long. Now I own a non HOA home and put a clothesline in my backyard. I would find out who on the association voted for this and if they live in that place i would fill their garage with garbage, like chicken scraps that smell and rotten eggs, that would get this changed without a lawyer.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Sounds like the HOA fee just went up $200 a month
 

Kaido

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I lived in a condo with an HOA "lite" (condo association) a number of years ago. It wasn't as strict (not gated or anything), but it was annoying at times. It had its pros and cons.

The pro was that it forced people not to be trashy...if your place was visibly or audibly disruptive, you'd get written up for it, which actually made for a pretty nice neighborhood because there were rules & because you had to pay the 'HOA' fee every month, so people who didn't want to abide by the rules generally didn't live there.

The con is that there is always at least one Neighborhood Nazi - you know, that kid in school who would always tattle about every little thing to the teacher, they seem to grow up & love living in HOA's. I got a stern written warning from management for having left a kickball on my deck for a week...which was surrounded by trees & not readily visible to people who weren't actively poking their nose around into other people's business. The rent wasn't too bad (only about $100 more than my previous noisy apartment with the condo fees, because it was in the middle of nowhere), but dumb little incidents like that kept happening & I eventually moved. Like, one person kept complaining about their paper mail getting stolen (no proof) & everyone ended up having to shell out an extra $400 that year to help pay for the installation of locking mailboxes. Bleh.
 
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zerocool84

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I lived in a condo with an HOA "lite" (condo association) a number of years ago. It wasn't as strict (not gated or anything), but it was annoying at times. It had its pros and cons.

The pro was that it forced people not to be trashy...if your place was visibly or audibly disruptive, you'd get written up for it, which actually made for a pretty nice neighborhood because there were rules & because you had to pay the 'HOA' fee every month, so people who didn't want to abide by the rules generally didn't live there.

The con is that there is always at least one Neighborhood Nazi - you know, that kid in school who would always tattle about every little thing to the teacher, they seem to grow up & love living in HOA's. I got a stern written warning from management for having left a kickball on my deck for a week...which was surrounded by trees & not readily visible to people who weren't actively poking their nose around into other people's business. The rent wasn't too bad (only about $100 more than my previous noisy apartment with the condo fees, because it was in the middle of nowhere), but dumb little incidents like that kept happening & I eventually moved. Like, one person kept complaining about their paper mail getting stolen (no proof) & everyone ended up having to shell out an extra $400 that year to help pay for the installation of locking mailboxes. Bleh.

And that's a huge problem with HOA or condo associations, there's always someone who that will look in your backyard, measure your grass, check to see make sure if ANYONE has any violations. Your BBQ isn't covered, that nosy person will tell the HOA and you get a fine.

I will never live somewhere that tells me how I can have my house. If I want to paint my house grey, I will paint it grey. If I want to change my front door, garage door, or windows, I will do it.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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And that's a huge problem with HOA or condo associations, there's always someone who that will look in your backyard, measure your grass, check to see make sure if ANYONE has any violations. Your BBQ isn't covered, that nosy person will tell the HOA and you get a fine.

I will never live somewhere that tells me how I can have my house. If I want to paint my house grey, I will paint it grey. If I want to change my front door, garage door, or windows, I will do it.

It was very convenient from a lot of perspectives...generally great neighbors, quiet area, they covered lawn maintenance, snow plowing, etc., but the HOA stuff drove me nuts. Really glad I didn't buy a house with an HOA.

Reminds me of that one episode of the X-files where the goblin eats the HOA offenders
 
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GagHalfrunt

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And that's a huge problem with HOA or condo associations, there's always someone who that will look in your backyard, measure your grass, check to see make sure if ANYONE has any violations. Your BBQ isn't covered, that nosy person will tell the HOA and you get a fine.

That. It's that simple. Every HOA starts with good intentions and laudable goals. Most of us want to live in an area that neighbors can't have 5 rusted out pickups on cinderblocks in the front yard and "Afternoon Delight" blasting at 120 decibels on an endless loop. But there's no way to achieve it in the real world. The only people who could be trusted to apply common sense rules and enforce them in reasonable ways won't take the job and the people that want the job are the ones that can't be allowed to take it. So you will without fail end up with the biggest idiots on Earth passing new rules to inflate their own power so that they don't act in the benefit of anyone but themselves. Whoever passed this particular rule should be publicly disemboweled and their corpse put on a stake as a warning to the next HOA president.
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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Why cardboard cutouts? Just go with real nude people, you have the right to be naked in your own home. Hire a bunch of 70 and 80 year old nudists to have a party in your garage. I can't imagine how this idiotic overreach of power wasn't struck down by a restraining order within 10 seconds.

Another fun thing to do would be to make up some flyers for a "nude gay party" at the HOA president's home, and put them in every mailbox. The party does not actually have to happen, just having the flyers going everywhere would be enough. Maybe even put ads in the paper.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Another fun thing to do would be to make up some flyers for a "nude gay party" at the HOA president's home, and put them in every mailbox. The party does not actually have to happen, just having the flyers going everywhere would be enough. Maybe even put ads in the paper.

I like it. Put a line in the ad "I'll leave my garage open for you, come on in!"
 

Elixer

Lifer
May 7, 2002
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Since you won't be able to store anything in there anyway... might as well build a wall behind the garage door.
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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That's probably what I'd do, just stack some cinder blocks and build a wall, but since they're just stacked, then it's technically not a "built" wall, you're just storing cinder blocks in your garage. So construction related rules don't really apply. They might come up with a rule that you can't store construction materials in your garage, fine, replace the blocks with something else. Just keep screwing around as they add more rules. I imagine it costs them money in legal fees etc to make new rules so it would hurt them more than you, and you get a work out in the process.

There needs to be rich people who buy houses in HOAs for the sole purpose of trolling them. That should be a thing, like make it a reality show or something. Actually make it into an ongoing game show, multiple trolls buy in the same HOA and their goal is to become the HOA president. I would watch that.
 

sdifox

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Sep 30, 2005
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That's probably what I'd do, just stack some cinder blocks and build a wall, but since they're just stacked, then it's technically not a "built" wall, you're just storing cinder blocks in your garage. So construction related rules don't really apply. They might come up with a rule that you can't store construction materials in your garage, fine, replace the blocks with something else. Just keep screwing around as they add more rules. I imagine it costs them money in legal fees etc to make new rules so it would hurt them more than you, and you get a work out in the process.

There needs to be rich people who buy houses in HOAs for the sole purpose of trolling them. That should be a thing, like make it a reality show or something. Actually make it into an ongoing game show, multiple trolls buy in the same HOA and their goal is to become the HOA president. I would watch that.


Err you know you pay for everything hoa does right?
 
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That. It's that simple. Every HOA starts with good intentions and laudable goals. Most of us want to live in an area that neighbors can't have 5 rusted out pickups on cinderblocks in the front yard and "Afternoon Delight" blasting at 120 decibels on an endless loop. But there's no way to achieve it in the real world. The only people who could be trusted to apply common sense rules and enforce them in reasonable ways won't take the job and the people that want the job are the ones that can't be allowed to take it. So you will without fail end up with the biggest idiots on Earth passing new rules to inflate their own power so that they don't act in the benefit of anyone but themselves. Whoever passed this particular rule should be publicly disemboweled and their corpse put on a stake as a warning to the next HOA president.

It's because most reasonable, honest, and intelligent people have something to do every single day from ~6:00 AM - ~8:00 PM. Where do you insert time in there to go to stupid pointless meetings about people bitching?
 
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And that's a huge problem with HOA or condo associations, there's always someone who that will look in your backyard, measure your grass, check to see make sure if ANYONE has any violations. Your BBQ isn't covered, that nosy person will tell the HOA and you get a fine.

I will never live somewhere that tells me how I can have my house. If I want to paint my house grey, I will paint it grey. If I want to change my front door, garage door, or windows, I will do it.
I commend you on this position. Really I do. But I loath, no hate, those that want this but intentionally move into an HOA community and then act trashy.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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You agreed to live by their rules and signed it. No lawyer is going to be able to help you much.

You cant force someone to do something illegal or dangerous just because they signed a contract. The law protects citizens against that kind of crap. Leaving your garage door open all day clearly presents multiple risks to homes and residents.
 

MtnMan

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Get an old easy chair, end table, table lamp old CRT TV, perhaps a cot (one of it worth stealing) and put them in the garage and open the door. Most of this stuff could probably be gotten for free as people discard it.

Fuck with me, expect me to fuck back is a motto to live by!

(oh really we are still change the f-word to ****. what is this 1960?)
 

Red Squirrel

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I hate that this world seems to often run on "signing contracts". In most cases you have no choice but to sign that crap. Same with work place agreements and other stuff like that. I always hated the "but you signed it" logic. Yeah, because you have no choice. If you don't sign it then you don't get whatever it is that requires it, such as the house, or job etc.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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You cant force someone to do something illegal or dangerous just because they signed a contract. The law protects citizens against that kind of crap. Leaving your garage door open all day clearly presents multiple risks to homes and residents.

Yes, lots of risks. Security and risk of theft aside, garages are not weatherproofed on the inside and any driving rain would easily destroy interior walls, lead to mold and other health concerns, cause structural damage, etc. On the rain factor alone this would get hit with a restraining order the second it was challenged in court.
 

turtile

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Yes, lots of risks. Security and risk of theft aside, garages are not weatherproofed on the inside and any driving rain would easily destroy interior walls, lead to mold and other health concerns, cause structural damage, etc. On the rain factor alone this would get hit with a restraining order the second it was challenged in court.

And it many states such as mine, you will win any type of stupid 'law' an HOA tries to enforce.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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i would deck out the garage to look like a basement sex/torture room. and everyday, close the door ever so slowly with a creepy smile.
 
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