HOA trying to get WWII vet to take down his flag pole

[LS8]

Maybe there's a compromise here. He wants to fly a flag. The HOA wants to be a bunch of Nazis. He could kill them like in '44.

ftfy

 

[AreaCode707]

Fuck yourself, troll.

Seriously dude, you have a perfectly good working brain, I KNOW you do. You must have been able, before you even finished this article, to have realized the following:
- This is an emotionally charged issue because of the players
- The media wrote it to charge it even more
- The people on this forum are very likely to respond to the emotional issue more than the legal or technical issue

Knowing that, you chose to not only post an opposite opinion, which several others have done without incident, but you chose to post it using inflammatory language and disregarding and/or claiming to not understand the emotional component of the story. That makes you look like a douche.

And you KNEW, because you're not a dolt, that it would make you look that way. So you were clearly out looking for a fight for the entertainment value of it. You had a multitude of options around how you could have posted your opinion without attracting flames but you, being as well-reasoned as you are, not-accidentally disregarded them.

Either you're smart enough to have predicted the responses to your post and that makes you a troll

or

You actually thought that the way you phrased your post was going to garner non-heated, regular responses, which makes you not a troll but instead very dumb.

I don't think you're dumb so I think you were trolling.

 

[TallBill]

Seriously dude, you have a perfectly good working brain, I KNOW you do. You must have been able, before you even finished this article, to have realized the following:
- This is an emotionally charged issue because of the players
- The media wrote it to charge it even more
- The people on this forum are very likely to respond to the emotional issue more than the legal or technical issue

Knowing that, you chose to not only post an opposite opinion, which several others have done without incident, but you chose to post it using inflammatory language and disregarding and/or claiming to not understand the emotional component of the story. That makes you look like a douche.

And you KNEW, because you're not a dolt, that it would make you look that way. So you were clearly out looking for a fight for the entertainment value of it. You had a multitude of options around how you could have posted your opinion without attracting flames but you, being as well-reasoned as you are, not-accidentally disregarded them.

Either you're smart enough to have predicted the responses to your post and that makes you a troll

or

You actually thought that the way you phrased your post was going to garner non-heated, regular responses, which makes you not a troll but instead very dumb.

I don't think you're dumb so I think you were trolling.

This is why you rock, although I still had to report you for calling him a douche

 

[NesuD]

How dare they prevent him from displaying his symbol! He fought for the ability to worship symbols!

You damn fool!! In case you have a history impairment men like this war hero that you are so quick to disrespect are probably the only reason your Granny didn't become some samurai's comfort girl and your daddy wasn't his halfbreed progeny. You know what? You can treat your war hero's like shit if you want, thats your prerogative wait Kiwi's don't have any war heroes do they. In any case the HOA's rules do not prohibit a flag pole. The idiots running the HOA do. Aesthetically pleasing. How is a flag pole not aesthetically pleasing? In my book it can be the rattiest rustiest piece of crap pole but if there is an American flag flying at the top it is definately aesthetically pleasing.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

You actually thought that the way you phrased your post was going to garner non-heated, regular responses, which makes you not a troll but instead very dumb.

Guess i'm dumb then. I don't see it as an emotional issue. I have to go to work now, maybe I'll consider returning to this conversation later but it's doubtful. It gets old being attacked for every fucking post I make on this forum.

 

[AreaCode707]

This is why you rock, although I still had to report you for calling him a douche

I didn't CALL him a douche, I said it makes him LOOK like a douche. TOTALLY different. :lips;

 

[Kirby]

Personally, with all he's done, I think he deserves 50 different, fresh hookers everyday until the end of days, paid for by the US government. Much less the right to fly any goddamn flag he wants.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Guess i'm dumb then. I don't see it as an emotional issue. I have to go to work now, maybe I'll consider returning to this conversation later but it's doubtful. It gets old being attacked for every fucking post I make on this forum.

Then maybe don't make such inflammatory, demeaning, insulting, or otherwise worthless posts.

Not too hard to figure out

And I'm sure we'd all be happy if you didn't come back

 

[thegimp03]

Part of me wants to sympathize with him because he has more of a right to fly the American flag than anyone else and some people would think he should just turn his tommygun on the HOA because it served him well in WWII.

Part of me is thinking he should have read the rules of the place he lives in before he moved there.

 

[AreaCode707]

Then maybe don't make such inflammatory, demeaning, insulting, or otherwise worthless posts.

Not too hard to figure out

And I'm sure we'd all be happy if you didn't come back

Not true. I'd miss GA's posts. The forums are much more lively with him around, even if we rarely share the same viewpoints.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Not true. I'd miss GA's posts. The forums are much more lively with him around, even if we rarely share the same viewpoints.

I meant in this thread.

But yeah, I guess he is good for entertainment.

 

[grrl]

A bazooka taking out a Tiger I!? Talk about a lucky shot.

That's what I was thinking. there are stories of Tigers taking hits to the track and still running.

 

[tk149]

I'm an HOA board member and unlike many here, actually see the big picture.

If you allow one flagpole, you have much less legal reason to deny a second or third flagpole.

This guy may fly the American flag, but what about the next guy who wants to fly a swastika? I personally wouldn't want to see a swastika flying across the street everyday, and I suspect that most posters here wouldn't tolerate it either.

That being said, I would have let this guy build his flagpole and saluted him and his flag. But I understand why the HOA wouldn't want to let him have one.

 

[IronWing]

HOAs: Guaranteeing that crappy, ugly, soulless developer shit looks like crappy, ugly, soulless developer shit forever.

Remember: HOA rules were written by developers' lawyers. The folks who wrote those rules don't live under them.

 

[Kirby]

I'm an HOA board member and unlike many here, actually see the big picture.

If you allow one flagpole, you have much less legal reason to deny a second or third flagpole.

This guy may fly the American flag, but what about the next guy who wants to fly a swastika? I personally wouldn't want to see a swastika flying across the street everyday, and I suspect that most posters here wouldn't tolerate it either.

That being said, I would have let this guy build his flagpole and saluted him and his flag. But I understand why the HOA wouldn't want to let him have one.

A simple amendment, "Anyone receiving the MOH can fly an American flag."

 

[TallBill]

I'm an HOA board member and unlike many here, actually see the big picture.

If you allow one flagpole, you have much less legal reason to deny a second or third flagpole.

This guy may fly the American flag, but what about the next guy who wants to fly a swastika? I personally wouldn't want to see a swastika flying across the street everyday, and I suspect that most posters here wouldn't tolerate it either.

That being said, I would have let this guy build his flagpole and saluted him and his flag. But I understand why the HOA wouldn't want to let him have one.

Nazi flags flying don't seem to be a problem in non-hoa neighborhoods. I've never seen one in person and I've seen a hell of a lot of American flags.

 

[Kirby]

Nazi flags flying don't seem to be a problem in non-hoa neighborhoods. I've never seen one in person and I've seen a hell of a lot of American flags.

Same here. The only time I've ever seen one was in the museum section of the Dachau concentration camp.

 

[Zebo]

Assholes. They ought to have a giant flag at the gates of entry on that place dedicated to him.

Sounds like some antiwar people are on the board and are taking frustrations out on this 90 yr old war hero.

90- with nothing to lose..fuck lawyers....just sayin'

 

[SlitheryDee]

I'm an HOA board member and unlike many here, actually see the big picture.

If you allow one flagpole, you have much less legal reason to deny a second or third flagpole.

So don't deny them, as long as they're all American flags. The slippery slope doesn't go very far here. Once everyone in the neighborhood is flying an American flag things can't exactly slide any "lower". It doesn't seem unreasonable that "American flags only" should be a hard and fast rule considering that the neighborhood's location in the United States of America is a hard and fast geographical fact.

 

[oogabooga]

Not true. I'd miss GA's posts. The forums are much more lively with him around, even if we rarely share the same viewpoints.

I agree, I find GA's post pretty interesting to read. They can be extreme but that's probably why they're interesting. I disagree with him on this specific thread (and a decent number of others) but I respect that he brings his point of view to the table.

I think a "If you have a MOH you can fly an American flag" amendment is the least the HOA can do.

 

[Zebo]

They can't do shit per federal law. Col Barfoot is probably going to sue their ass for civil rights violations.

I don't know how to quote bold or otherwise do shit in this new forum...sorry for plain text. READ SECTION 3.

Jul 19, 2006 - Enrolled Bill. This is the final text of the bill or resolution as approved by both the Senate and House. This is the latest version of the bill currently available on GovTrack.

H.R.42

One Hundred Ninth Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday,

the third day of January, two thousand and six

An Act

To ensure that the right of an individual to display the flag of the United States on residential property not be abridged.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.

For purposes of this Act––

(1) the term `flag of the United States' has the meaning given the term `flag, standard, colors, or ensign' under section 3 of title 4, United States Code;

(2) the terms `condominium association' and `cooperative association' have the meanings given such terms under section 604 of Public Law 96-399 (15 U.S.C. 3603);

(3) the term `residential real estate management association' has the meaning given such term under section 528 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C. 528); and

(4) the term `member'––

(A) as used with respect to a condominium association, means an owner of a condominium unit (as defined under section 604 of Public Law 96-399 (15 U.S.C. 3603)) within such association;

(B) as used with respect to a cooperative association, means a cooperative unit owner (as defined under section 604 of Public Law 96-399 (15 U.S.C. 3603)) within such association; and

(C) as used with respect to a residential real estate management association, means an owner of a residential property within a subdivision, development, or similar area subject to any policy or restriction adopted by such association.

SEC. 3. RIGHT TO DISPLAY THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES.

A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a member of the association from displaying the flag of the United States on residential property within the association with respect to which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive possession or use.

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS.

Nothing in this Act shall be considered to permit any display or use that is inconsistent with––

(1) any provision of chapter 1 of title 4, United States Code, or any rule or custom pertaining to the proper display or use of the flag of the United States (as established pursuant to such chapter or any otherwise applicable provision of law); or

(2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to protect a substantial interest of the condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.

This bill became law. It was signed by George Bush.

Jul 24, 2006:

Became Public Law No: 109-243.

 

[zerocool84]

I'm an HOA board member and unlike many here, actually see the big picture.

If you allow one flagpole, you have much less legal reason to deny a second or third flagpole.

This guy may fly the American flag, but what about the next guy who wants to fly a swastika? I personally wouldn't want to see a swastika flying across the street everyday, and I suspect that most posters here wouldn't tolerate it either.

That being said, I would have let this guy build his flagpole and saluted him and his flag. But I understand why the HOA wouldn't want to let him have one.

You deserve to burn with all people who support HOA's.

 

[Crono]

An agreement is an agreement, but yes, they should change the rules or make an exception.

 

[imported_Champ]

after reading what he did for his MOH he deserves to have a flag at minimum, hell he deserves to have the street name changed if he wanted to

 

[Exodist]

HOA can suck one on this.. This dude has more medals then I do and been through more hell then I can ever think of. This type of disrespect for our Vets is uncalled for. I hope the HOA burns in hell, slowly..