"Hockey Dad" Who Killed His Kid's Hockey Coach - Your Thoughts?

[DrizztDoUrden]

Ok so we all probably know about the "Hockey Dad" who killed his kid's Hockey coach in a fight.
If not, here's a news story on it..

Now, what do you think the punishment should be?

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

vote please

 

[Kadarin]

I think he needs to go to prison for the maximum term (but no death penalty). I don't think he originally intended to kill the guy, but I do think he's a serious danger to society. He deprived the poor guy of his right to live, and you just don't DO that.

-j

 

[AaronP]

no punishment, self defense.

 

[VirusDub]

I definitely think he needs to go to prison for a while. Sure, he may not have intended to kill the other man, but any mentally competant person will realize that banging someone's head on the ground (as suggested by witnesses and medical examiners) will inflict severe injuries far beyond that warranted by the situation.

 

[RSI]

Self defense? What the f*ck? Are you on crack? Would you kill somebody in that situation? Slamming head into mat? Self defense? I don't know about you, but when I "self-defend" myself, I have the intention of protecting myself, not inflicting injury/death upon the attacker. Some people seriously need to learn what self defense is and how to control their temper.

By the way, I think he should get a good number in prison. There is no way in hell that man should be allowed to walk off scott-free from that. I don't give a sh*t if he has a family, everyone has a family - having a family does not suddenly relieve you of your responsibilities as a mature adult. I can't believe there's even much discussion about this. How sad.

-RSI

 

[Lucky]

why dont you wait to see whether he's friggin innocent or not before you start recommending the death penalty! What a retarded, sorry-ass post.

 

[SmackdownHotel]

How can "three off balance" punches kill a grown man?

 

[AaronP]

I guarentee he gets off. I saw his testimony on CourtTV and he really helped his case. The defense is kicking the prosecutions butt in this case so far.

 

[veryape]

He lives a few miles from me and I hope he goes to jail, because he should have stopped once the other guy was on the ground, instead he smashed his head on the ground once he was incapacitated. Fry him, and his son for lying on the stand. Actually, I don't think he meant to kill him but I do think he should do some time. A couple years sounds about right, I suppose around 3 or 4 for good measure and when he get's out he should have to support the dead man's wife and child forever.

 

[veryape]

It isn't even a question of him being innocent, really it's just are we going to slap him on the wrist or punish him like we would anyone else who killed someone in the same way. I mean just think if this happened on the side of a road in the bad area of town between a junky and buisnessman, no drugs involved, just a fight over their children. Why would that be any different? It shouldn't, but for some reason you people think it should be treated differently. He killed, now he needs to go to jail.

<< why dont you wait to see whether he's friggin innocent or not before you start recommending the death penalty! What a retarded, sorry-ass post. >>

 

[tcsenter]

Considering that some 5 witnesses unrelated to the victim gave consistent testimony that the defendant pummeled the victim until he was unconscious, while only two witnesses - the defendant himself and his son - gave testimony to the contrary, its a rather safe bet what really happened. Although, I don't believe he intended to kill the man, so involuntary manslaughter would be a fitting verdict.

<< I don't know about you, but when I "self-defend" myself, I have the intention of protecting myself, not inflicting injury/death upon the attacker. Some people seriously need to learn what self defense is and how to control their temper. >>

Unfortunately, until someone invents an effective weapon that 'stuns' an attacker with flattery or something harmless like a boquet of flowers, self-defense REQUIRES inflicting some degree or manner of harm (whether permanent or temporary) upon an attacker. Unless you're Master Kane from Kung Fu, who can just fart and safely render seven attackers unconcious, but that is just fantasy Kung Fu, not reality.

 

[Jeff7]

If someone will resort to VIOLENCE over a sports dispute, that person requires some serious rehab time. That kind of a person who is unable to restrain himself is just not fit to be a part of a semi-civilized society.

 

[Spagina]

No crap, I referee hockey and parent's like this are becoming more and more common during games. I hate refereeing kids games anymore or kids tournaments since the action off the ice is becoming a lot more intense than what's going on on the ice. Personally, I think they need to lock this guy up. He let this situation get way to out of control in the hockey arena and walking away scot-free would not be right.

 

[flavio]

Sounds like the other guy might have actually started the violence...not sure though.

Anyway the vote is premature, in most cases guilt or innocence is established first and THEN if guilty, a punishment is decided on.

 

[Kadarin]

I don't think it's self-defense. The reason is that this guy is taller and weighs 100+ lbs more than the guy he beat the living crap out of. Not only that, but my understanding is that he left the scene, and then came back. Doesn't sound like self-defense, it sounds more like he just got really, really pissed off, and just lost his temper.

-j

 

[UberNeuman]

Give him thirty wacks with a hockey stick, then give the mother thirty more...

 

[ttn1]

The killer was outside the building and then went back in for more. He said, to supposedly protect his son who was still in the building. How
much BS can this guy dish out.

How many people do you know that killed someone in a bar fight and got off. I grew up near a maximum security prison and
there were more than a few guys in there that were there solely because they killed somebody in a bar fight. No prior record.
Most of them were just stupid kids who got drunk and let it go to far. Are they any better or worse than this guy. I think not.

If he gets off that's just one more way to make murder legal. We already know that if you have enough money you
can get away with it. If he's found not guilty, now we know we just have to plead self defence.

When are people going to realize that there are consequences for your actions. I mean this guy killed someone,
premeditated or not, someone is still dead by anothers hand. It doesn't matter who started the fight.

 

[SpongeBob]

I picked the 4-10 years option, but I think it should be close to the 10 year mark. I don't think he meant to kill the hockey coach, but he intended to mess him up real bad, and in the process killed him. This guy needs to learn that you just can't do stuff like that, and I think 10 years in prison would do that.

 

[rufruf44]

At the very least, he should get manslaughter.

 

[Nutz]

<< The reason is that this guy is taller and weighs 100+ lbs more than the guy he beat the living crap out of >>



I can tell you with 100% certainty that size, weight, how mean you look, shoe size, etc. has absolutely NO bearing on one's ability to fight. Force=mass x velocity, but how well you use that to your advantage is a skill. He might have an advantage with having more POTENTIAL force, but thats it (if the guy is slow as a slug see equation above). From what I've read on the case, I'd classify it like a bar fight with accidental death--IMO involuntary manslaughter. He may not have been purposefully exerting lethal force and just killed the guy by some fluke (blood vessle burst in his brain). What's really going to determine the extent of him going to jail (I believe) will be his intent. I don't believe for a second he was just some innocent little boy scout trying to protect his son, but that he was still pissed off and wanted to confront the guy--perhaps expecting him to back down? They got into a fight and one of them died. Did he intend to kill him from the start? I doubt it. Did he want to hurt him? Probably. I've been in fights that I don't even remember being in because they pushed, and pushed, and pushed until I couldn't take it anymore. Did I want to kill them? Who knows? I don't even remember the fight. I can only hope you see the point in that analogy. (Its because of those kind of scenarios that Special Forces could be considered to be carrying lethal weapons. If they lose control in a fight and fully react the way they were training, they could be lethal.)

More on the subject

 

[Daxxax]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that size, weight, how mean you look, shoe size, etc. has absolutely NO bearing on one's ability to fight. Force=mass x velocity, but how well you use that to your advantage is a skill.


I agree with you to a point but on average I would always take the bigger guy over a smaller one and I would probably win 55% to 60% percent of the time. When the weights are within 20 pounds of each other it probably would not matter but if you have a guy that is 100 pounds heavier and 8 inches taller it is a definte advantage, I mean the little guy probably could not even reach up to hit him in the face, anyways most fights end up on the ground after the first couple of blows are thrown and you can't tell me that weight and height are not an asset, granted you still need some coordination and ability to put that weight and size to your advantage. remeber I said 55% to %60 of the time so don't start flaming me.

 

[C'DaleRider]

You do know the little guy that died had an extensive history of violence, right? He'd been arrested for such a few times prior to this incident. But, the judge deemed the guy's history as irrelevant and the defense was unable to introduce this into the trial, so the jury never heard it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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<< The reason is that this guy is taller and weighs 100+ lbs more than the guy he beat the living crap out of >>

I can tell you with 100% certainty that size, weight, how mean you look, shoe size, etc. has absolutely NO bearing on one's ability to fight. Force=mass x velocity, but how well you use that to your advantage is a skill. He might have an advantage with having more POTENTIAL force, but thats it (if the guy is slow as a slug see equation above). From what I've read on the case, I'd classify it like a bar fight with accidental death--IMO involuntary manslaughter. He may not have been purposefully exerting lethal force and just killed the guy by some fluke (blood vessle burst in his brain). What's really going to determine the extent of him going to jail (I believe) will be his intent. I don't believe for a second he was just some innocent little boy scout trying to protect his son, but that he was still pissed off and wanted to confront the guy--perhaps expecting him to back down? They got into a fight and one of them died. Did he intend to kill him from the start? I doubt it. Did he want to hurt him? Probably. I've been in fights that I don't even remember being in because they pushed, and pushed, and pushed until I couldn't take it anymore. Did I want to kill them? Who knows? I don't even remember the fight. I can only hope you see the point in that analogy. (Its because of those kind of scenarios that Special Forces could be considered to be carrying lethal weapons. If they lose control in a fight and fully react the way they were training, they could be lethal.) More on the subject >>



Ummm not right. I am a serious powerlifter and I could kill most people without striking them. All I need to do is get my hands on you. Now I am sure somewhere there is a 150 pounder in this world who could whoop me. But not many. If I grab you I simply lift you and throw you on the ground. Then that's all folks. Afraid size matters.

 

[LuckyTaxi]

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