As always on Anandtech, it's not about the numbers. The ride quality with it's independant rear suspension and higher quality interior adds to the price. If you had experience with both then it would be very easy to spot.
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: pnad
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: pnad
I'm sure Pontiac will make it ugly and overpriced just like the GTO.
I sure do love the Holden interiors though.
So what other 400hp car is there for ~32k?
And that 100hp is worth the 10grand premium over the Mustang GT?
The GT starts at 25K making it a difference of only 7K. Not only that but the GTO's do offer incentives and there is also room to haggle. So you could possible end up snatching one for well under 30k.
Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: pnad
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: pnad
I'm sure Pontiac will make it ugly and overpriced just like the GTO.
I sure do love the Holden interiors though.
So what other 400hp car is there for ~32k?
And that 100hp is worth the 10grand premium over the Mustang GT?
The GT starts at 25K making it a difference of only 7K. Not only that but the GTO's do offer incentives and there is also room to haggle. So you could possible end up snatching one for well under 30k.
As always on Anandtech, it's not about the numbers. The ride quality with it's independant rear suspension and higher quality interior adds to the price. If you had experience with both then it would be very easy to spot.
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
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GM is bringing over Holdens. Can you please bring me a Ford Falcon XR6?
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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Dear GM,
Please just bring it over and leave it the fvck alone, except for what's necessary to pass North American safety & emissions.
Love,
- M4H
Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Dear GM,
Please just bring it over and leave it the fvck alone, except for what's necessary to pass North American safety & emissions.
Love,
- M4H
Dear MFH,
We are so sorry. As you are well aware. We, here at GM, are unable to comply with your requests. Sure, we'll bring it over..........but...........once we're done with it, it'll look almost exactly like a cross between a 1999 Chevy Malibu and 2001 Caprice Classic. We'll, obviously, integrate some Altezza tailights as we KNOW that's what the world wants these days and we'll also be introducing an entry-level version that includes full-wheel composite, (plastic) hubcaps including a half & half version of the GM/Holden logo extending from one valve stem to the other.......(yes, we're going over the top now w/ 2 valve stems per wheel in the name of higher performance!) When we get done with it Mr. MFH, it will be the envy of the entire world and we know........because we're GM!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAOPMPBBQLMNOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:
Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
It certainly won't be able to match the 1995 Geo Prism in terms of quality.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
The GTO didn't sell because it looks mediocore, is not a big performer outside of a straight line and is overpriced.
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
In an effort to go head-to-head with BMW, GM has decided to bring a version of the Holden Commodore stateside to be badged as a Pontiac.
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
In an effort to go head-to-head with BMW, GM has decided to bring a version of the Holden Commodore stateside to be badged as a Pontiac.
Sounds overly ambitious...Did the Sydney Morning Herald get that from a GM quote?
i guess you haven't watched college football in the last 3 years.Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: dirtboy
The GTO didn't sell because it looks mediocore, is not a big performer outside of a straight line and is overpriced.
again, name a car with as nice of an interior and as powerful, with a usable second row, for the price of the GTO.
it didnt sell because GM never advertised it, at ALL.
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
In an effort to go head-to-head with BMW, GM has decided to bring a version of the Holden Commodore stateside to be badged as a Pontiac.
Sounds overly ambitious...Did the Sydney Morning Herald get that from a GM quote?
i highly doubt it.
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
In an effort to go head-to-head with BMW, GM has decided to bring a version of the Holden Commodore stateside to be badged as a Pontiac.
Sounds overly ambitious...Did the Sydney Morning Herald get that from a GM quote?
i highly doubt it.
Exactly. Has any Pontiac ever been significantly cross-shopped w/a BMW?
Isn't that what Cadillac is for?
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
In an effort to go head-to-head with BMW, GM has decided to bring a version of the Holden Commodore stateside to be badged as a Pontiac.
Sounds overly ambitious...Did the Sydney Morning Herald get that from a GM quote?
i highly doubt it.
Exactly. Has any Pontiac ever been significantly cross-shopped w/a BMW?
Isn't that what Cadillac is for?
yes, its for that, and the V is to compete with the M, albeit they arent there yet.
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
In an effort to go head-to-head with BMW, GM has decided to bring a version of the Holden Commodore stateside to be badged as a Pontiac.
Sounds overly ambitious...Did the Sydney Morning Herald get that from a GM quote?
i highly doubt it.
Exactly. Has any Pontiac ever been significantly cross-shopped w/a BMW?
Isn't that what Cadillac is for?
yes, its for that, and the V is to compete with the M, albeit they arent there yet.
Exactly...Pontiac competes with...uh...?
Does any other umbrella have a dedicated sport brand?
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
In an effort to go head-to-head with BMW, GM has decided to bring a version of the Holden Commodore stateside to be badged as a Pontiac.
Sounds overly ambitious...Did the Sydney Morning Herald get that from a GM quote?
i highly doubt it.
Exactly. Has any Pontiac ever been significantly cross-shopped w/a BMW?
Isn't that what Cadillac is for?
yes, its for that, and the V is to compete with the M, albeit they arent there yet.
Exactly...Pontiac competes with...uh...?
Does any other umbrella have a dedicated sport brand?
VWAG has Lamborghini, and Bugatti...
Fiat has Ferrari
Porsche has, Porsche.
Originally posted by: cobalt
To go Head-to-Head with BMW? They must be insane. If they really wanted to go after BMW why would they badge it as a Pontiac...
Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
Porsche is not a supercar, you can buy a Cayenne for less then 60k.
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: cobalt
To go Head-to-Head with BMW? They must be insane. If they really wanted to go after BMW why would they badge it as a Pontiac...
I think Pontiac is the closest GM has to BMW, as strange as that sounds... Cadillac and Buick both have the grandpa stigma. BMW is sports-luxury, and Pontiac is GM's line of sporty cars.
Maybe they're trying to bump Pontiac up a notch on the luxury scale, because despite being a sports car brand it really offers nothing more than Chevy, and Chevy even goes a step further with the Corvette.