Discussion Holmes and Potter and Maxwell, Oh My!

[soundforbjt]

She's not 'walking'. She lost her job/career, lots of money in fees and costs, spent time in jail, got her mugshot posted everywhere. She should lose her pension.

But would years in prison be appropriate?

She lost her job in that department, nothing to stop another department from hiring her, it happens all the time.

 

[Muse]

Lol if she was acquitted, she'd become the next great white hope by the repugnican base

You're nuts. Walking wouldn't make her any kind of hero. You'd never see her in a photo like this:

 

[Muse]

Thanks Francis

Any time, shithead.

Anyway, I'm sure I didn't watch as much as the proceedings as you did. Digging a bit deeper, Man 1 was excessive, IMHO. Man 2 seems much more appropriate to me (involuntary manslaughter). Bottom line, there must be a price, in the name of justice, for killing someone without just cause (self defense).

You're just the guy the prosecution required for their their jury.

 

[Ajay]

Any time, shithead.

LOL!

 

[interchange]

What timed served is enough also? Again, she doesn’t deserve a max 8 year sentence. But why are so many willing to let her walk????

Do you think people should be punished for mistakes? In what way was she negligent here?

 

[Meghan54]

Do you think people should be punished for mistakes? In what way was she negligent here?

Completely forgetting her training....the Taser was supposed to be carried on the opposite side as the service gun. After 26 years, how can one forget that simple fact? Or that it has a completely different grip/feel in the hand.

She's being held to a higher standard than a "civilian" would be in the same situation, because of her training. Just like I'd be held to a higher standard being an RN vs. a lay person. More than a few nurses have gone to prison for negligent death....such as overdosing, miscalculating a dosage of meds, failure to prevent falls of pt, etc., etc.

Kinda the way life is.....

 

[interchange]

Completely forgetting her training....the Taser was supposed to be carried on the opposite side as the service gun. After 26 years, how can one forget that simple fact? Or that it has a completely different grip/feel in the hand.

She's being held to a higher standard than a "civilian" would be in the same situation, because of her training. Just like I'd be held to a higher standard being an RN vs. a lay person. More than a few nurses have gone to prison for negligent death....such as overdosing, miscalculating a dosage of meds, failure to prevent falls of pt, etc., etc.

Kinda the way life is.....

Find me a nurse who went to prison for a negligent death who simply made an error instead of breaking process / overriding a safety protocol or some such. Mistakes are not negligence. Not doing something you are supposed to in order to prevent a mistake is negligence.

 

[Muse]

Find me a nurse who went to prison for a negligent death who simply made an error instead of breaking process / overriding a safety protocol or some such. Mistakes are not negligence. Not doing something you are supposed to in order to prevent a mistake is negligence.

This is the gist of it. I didn't see anything to suggest she didn't have her taser and her gun on opposite sides of her body. She reached for the wrong implement in a moment of great tension and crisis. She didn't have time to think, she reacted.

New Years Eve 2009 a somewhat similar event happened near where I live, being a transit officer shooting Oscar Grant on a transit railway platform.

Shooting of Oscar Grant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It was claimed that the officer intended to use his taser but used his gun instead. Below, from Wikipedia, it says the judge determined that the officer had both hands on the weapon, something he was trained to do with a pistol but not his taser. Manslaughter was the conviction and he served 11 months. There's no doubt in my mind that Potter had no intention to shoot.

"Rains argued during the preliminary hearing that Mehserle lacked the malice necessary for a murder charge and that he intended to tase Grant. A BART officer testified, saying that Grant and his friends had yelled profanities and did not obey her orders to sit down moments before Mehserle fired at Grant. She said she was fearful when she heard taunts coming from Grant, his friends, and passengers on the train.[92] After the seven days of testimony, Judge C. Don Clay concluded that Mehserle had not mistakenly used his service pistol instead of his stun gun. The judge based this on Mehserle's statements to other officers that he thought Grant had a gun. He also noted that Mehserle had held his weapon with both hands, but he was trained to use just his left if he was firing a Taser.[93] Mehserle faced up to life in prison if convicted of first-degree murder.[94]"

 

[allisolm]

Ghislaine Maxwell guilty on 5 of 6 counts.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Missed it by THAT much!!

 

[cytg111]

Up to 65 years.
Can she begin trading info for years now? lol

Dec. 29, 2021 Ghislaine Maxwell trial guilty verdict

Jury finds Ghislaine Maxwell guilty of sex trafficking a minor and taking part in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking conspiracy, among other charges. Follow here for the latest.

edition.cnn.com

 

[cytg111]

didnt see the other thread, move plz.

Merged the 2 threads.
Admin allisolm

 

[pmv]

People do accidently kill people without consequence, using their automobiles.

And that is itself a big problem. If there were more consistent bad concquences for doing that, people would pay more attention when driving.

 

[cytg111]

Can she begin trading information for years now?

 

[trenchfoot]

She has a treasure trove of very damaging information that affects people living in the stratosphere. With Epstein's fate always on her mind, I'd say she'd do and say anything to stay out of prison.

 

[BUTCH1]

She has a treasure trove of very damaging information that affects people living in the stratosphere. With Epstein's fate always on her mind, I'd say she'd do and say anything to stay out of prison.

She's already in prison awaiting sentencing, lets see if she gets squaky before that date.

 

[sportage]

Fox News has been showing THIS picture ever since the verdict.
Clinton, getting a massage by a then 22 your old Epstein associate.




However, the real photos and true story (below) Fox refuses to air anything about THAT.





I don't think Trump is pointing at the food buffet.

 

[HomerJS]

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[HomerJS]

Fox News has been showing THIS picture ever since the verdict.
Clinton, getting a massage by a then 22 your old Epstein associate.

However, the real photos and true story (below) Fox refuses to air anything about THAT.

Are you fucking serious? I believe it because earlier today while at the gym they discussed the verdict, and that dweeb Alan Dershowitz only mentioned the names of Democrats she might spill

That network needs to be taken off the air

 

[fskimospy]

Are you fucking serious? I believe it because earlier today while at the gym they discussed the verdict, and that dweeb Alan Dershowitz only mentioned the names of Democrats she might spill

That network needs to be taken off the air

So I’m going to assume our good friend Dersh didn’t mention she might spill the beans on himself?

 

[cytg111]

Are you fucking serious? I believe it because earlier today while at the gym they discussed the verdict, and that dweeb Alan Dershowitz only mentioned the names of Democrats she might spill

That network needs to be taken off the air

The nazi propaganda network? Yea.

Right now on https://www.msnbc.com/ two top stories is something with negative Biden headlines… You see that and think “wtf are they doing?” The stories are of course correctish and then you realize that you dont want a dedicated propaganda mouthpiece like Fox, cause, well, truth objectivity and fairness… Its just not a fair game. Fox should be taken down, its anti gov anti democracy and anti people.

 

[pmv]

Is it wrong that I find myself feeling a teeny bit sorry for her?

Just that with the father she had, it's hard to imagine how she could have turned out better. I know that doesn't morally exonerate her, but stochastically-speaking, it seems almost like a deterministic process that children of monsters end up morally flawed themselves. It's one of the (multiple) problems I have with the idea of a morally-judgemental God - not everyone gets an equal opportunity to be 'good'.

 

[cytg111]

Is it wrong that I find myself feeling a teeny bit sorry for her?

Just that with the father she had, it's hard to imagine how she could have turned out better. I know that doesn't morally exonerate her, but stochastically-speaking, it seems almost like a deterministic process that children of monsters end up morally flawed themselves. It's one of the (multiple) problems I have with the idea of a morally-judgemental God - not everyone gets an equal opportunity to be 'good'.

Its understandable. Wrong? Meh. A billion cases of self fulfilling prophesies outthere, only reason we feel a little sorry for her is cause her story is narrated to us. At this time we should reflect on the billions of cases that dont have a narrator and realize that there is NO moral high ground no matter how in step consensus calibrated you are with your neighbors that you are indeed all “good people”… Good people would make it their mission in life to amend all that.
But as you allude to, thank GOD I can go to church, ask for forgiveness, and leave as a “good person”.

Merry xmas

 

[pmv]

Its understandable. Wrong? Meh. A billion cases of self fulfilling prophesies outthere, only reason we feel a little sorry for her is cause her story is narrated to us. At this time we should reflect on the billions of cases that dont have a narrator and realize that there is NO moral high ground no matter how in step consensus calibrated you are with your neighbors that you are indeed all “good people”… Good people would make it their mission in life to amend all that.
But as you allude to, thank GOD I can go to church, ask for forgiveness, and leave as a “good person”.

Merry xmas

Probably this case affects me partly because I have strong memories of the days when "Captain Bob" was a notable presence in UK culture, and of how ghastly he was. I once worked with someone who had briefly been one of his employees and had found him to be an appalling bully. Growing up with that guy as your beloved care-giver...shudder. Wouldn't choose that even for all the wealth that family had.

Going off on a tangent rather, but the human-run legal system is entitled to make judgements about such things, I'm not disagreeing with the legal verdict, but I have a big problem with the idea that "God", with all the privileges and advantages he has, is in any position to judge people for how they react to the circumstances _he_ puts them in in the first damn place!

In fact, I really wonder where God gets off, thinking he is entitled to make such judgements. He clearly has delusions of grandeur. Probably has NPD.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

She's a product of a family/society/world that truly believe money can buy anything and those with it control those without.