Holy Cow - Windows 8. OMG

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HeXen

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and without it? as is given by Microsoft?no good. I don't have to tweak XP or 7 to make it usable.

It is like buying fixer upper. You know it sucks as is, it needs a lot of work.

lol, really? $8 and 2 installs is a lot of work?
I call it chump change.
Seriously I waste more time shopping for donuts and spend more money at a quick mart on my way to work than I did on buying and installing those 2 simple programs that really do an amazing job. Stardock makes excellent products. Some people are just pathetically sad.
 

Berryracer

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lol, really? $8 and 2 installs is a lot of work?
I call it chump change.
Seriously I waste more time shopping for donuts and spend more money at a quick mart on my way to work than I did on buying and installing those 2 simple programs that really do an amazing job. Stardock makes excellent products. Some people are just pathetically sad.

Its not about the money. I have a license for Start8 and 5 licenses for StartIsBack which IMO is better and easier to configure but that's besides the point.

I have a Windows 8 PC at work because we couldn't find a Windows 7 PC to buy so I got the PC, installed StartIsBack, disabled UAC, uninstalled all metro apps, got back the old Windows 7 Games for the times when I'm bored, changed all default programs so nothing would launch in that crappy Metro interface like images or videos, etc.........

But you see, why must anyone *who has a choice* do all of this to get an OS to work as it should? especially in a corporate environment.

Unable to setup Scan on printer on Windows 8 computer
 

pmv

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Start8 and Modern Mix = awesome OS

btw you guys just got trolled


Are you suggesting windows 8 is MS trolling-by-means-of-OS-releases?

I think that would be going a bit far! I think they intend it as a serious OS!
 

Mem

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Its not about the money. I have a license for Start8 and 5 licenses for StartIsBack which IMO is better and easier to configure but that's besides the point.

I have a Windows 8 PC at work because we couldn't find a Windows 7 PC to buy so I got the PC, installed StartIsBack, disabled UAC, uninstalled all metro apps, got back the old Windows 7 Games for the times when I'm bored, changed all default programs so nothing would launch in that crappy Metro interface like images or videos, etc.........

But you see, why must anyone *who has a choice* do all of this to get an OS to work as it should? especially in a corporate environment.

Unable to setup Scan on printer on Windows 8 computer

No work involved using Win8 ,sure some new learning curve because of the changes etc... infact reminds me a bit of going on Linux,knowing where things are and whats different etc...I do wish some people would forget about Win7 to be honest its not the best OS,infact plenty of Linux Distro's I could name are better and would run rings around any Windows OS,things come and go,every OS has a limited life span and things change,you can either live in the past or try and move forward,no harm in waiting for the next OS down the road however but try to move forward.

I'm already looking forward to Win9,10 etc and next range of Linux Distro's,but hey thats me I never get hung up on any OS,future/progress waits for no one.
 
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beginner99

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Ninfact reminds me a bit of going on Linux,knowing where things are and whats different etc...
"Linux" is a lot better than Win 8 due to the simple fact that the OS does what you expect given the right command. Win 8 however randomly shows some stupid menu or Charms bar if you "swipe" the touchpad in the "wrong" way, meaning a way you could have done so without an issue for the last decade.
 

ControlD

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Its not about the money. I have a license for Start8 and 5 licenses for StartIsBack which IMO is better and easier to configure but that's besides the point.

I have a Windows 8 PC at work because we couldn't find a Windows 7 PC to buy so I got the PC, installed StartIsBack, disabled UAC, uninstalled all metro apps, got back the old Windows 7 Games for the times when I'm bored, changed all default programs so nothing would launch in that crappy Metro interface like images or videos, etc.........

But you see, why must anyone *who has a choice* do all of this to get an OS to work as it should? especially in a corporate environment.

Unable to setup Scan on printer on Windows 8 computer

Certainly the most important thing for a work computer, lol.
 

ElFenix

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windows 8 search is supposed to be much improved. but i've probably used search on my computer (not windows 8) less than once a month, on average. is searching really that integral to the process with windows 8?
 

Imaginer

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windows 8 search is supposed to be much improved. but i've probably used search on my computer (not windows 8) less than once a month, on average. is searching really that integral to the process with windows 8?

If you know where obscure files, programs, and settings are, then search isn't going to do much. Otherwise, it is a nice have.

And what is the difference in typing a word in search to do something versus a command prompt's command for Linux? Searching results in a broader and assisted maneuvering versus having to be in the right directory and knowing the exact command and syntax.
 

bshole

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More from MicroSoft. If you will note the bold portion, I get the sense that she is confirming that enterprise users are really getting thrown under the bus.... that tablet interfaces will be the new norm on desktop PCs. Is that the sense you get?

I have the sneaking suspicion that the big change in Blue over 8 will be an obnoxius dog or paper clip to help us idiots figure out how to use the OS.

Reller repeated the same message shared by Microsoft's outgoing CFO Peter Klein during a recent earnings call -- that Blue will address customer feedback that Microsoft has been collecting about Windows 8 and Windows RT. She would not say whether the rumored return of the Start Button and a boot straight to desktop option will be among the ways that Microsoft does this. "We feel good that we've listened and looked at all of the customer feedback. We are being principled, not stubborn" about modifying Windows 8 based on that feedback, Reller said. She said Microsoft has paid attention to where people are getting stuck when using Windows 8, with the goal being to help people use the product more and more fully.

http://www.zdnet.com/what-microsoft-is-now-saying-and-not-about-windows-blue-7000014960/
 
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C1

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Interim results today on http://finance.yahoo.com/

POLL

Microsoft is reversing course on major elements of its Windows 8 operating system.
Do you use Windows 8?

Yes, I like it (4549)
11%
No, it has too many problems (8477)
20%
I'm satisfied with Windows 7 (21962)
53%
I'm sticking with Apple (6635)
16%
 

Mem

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Interim results today on http://finance.yahoo.com/

POLL

Microsoft is reversing course on major elements of its Windows 8 operating system.
Do you use Windows 8?

Yes, I like it (4549)
11%
No, it has too many problems (8477)
20%
I'm satisfied with Windows 7 (21962)
53%
I'm sticking with Apple (6635)
16%


Plenty of stats all over the net depending which way you want to go,like this one,
Microsoft: More than 100 million Windows 8 licenses sold

Summary: Microsoft is continuing to sell Windows 8 licenses at roughly the same clip that it sold Windows 7 ones to its OEM partners and others in the channel, company officials say.




http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-more-than-100-million-windows-8-licenses-sold-7000014957/

Microsoft officials said on May 6 that Microsoft has surpassed the 100 million Windows 8 licenses sold milestone -- a number on par with the number of Windows 7 licenses the company sold in its first six months on the market.

(Windows 8 and Windows RT went on sale on October 26, 2012. So the exact six-month mark was April 26, which was 10 days ago.)
"If there had been more touch devices in the market, it would have been even more," said Tami Reller, the Chief Financial Officer of Microsoft's Windows client team. That said, "our sell-through has been consistently going up," Reller added.
I think it'll be interesting to see how well Windows Blue/8.1 does,personally I think sales will improve due to more new tablet/phones available and the new tweaks/improvements to the OS.
 
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ultimatebob

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Windows 8 isn't that bad once you install Classic Shell. That will let you bypass the Metro Start screen, and get the Start button back.

I still think that it's pathetic that they didn't give us a built in "Classic" mode in Windows 8. This has to be the first time they ever didn't let you go back to the old UI... Even Windows 95 let you go back the Program Manager or a DOS prompt if you preferred it.
 

Lanyap

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More from MicroSoft. If you will note the bold portion, I get the sense that she is confirming that enterprise users are really getting thrown under the bus.... that tablet interfaces will be the new norm on desktop PCs. Is that the sense you get?

I have the sneaking suspicion that the big change in Blue over 8 will be an obnoxius dog or paper clip to help us idiots figure out how to use the OS.



http://www.zdnet.com/what-microsoft-is-now-saying-and-not-about-windows-blue-7000014960/


Most businesses will not "upgrade" to 8 as is. They will ignore it like Vista. By the time Windows 9 comes out they will probably have an enterprise and home version / option.
 

zanejohnson

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2000 Pro ------>XP Pro ------> Windows 7

for the server side
2003 Server ------ BIG STEP to vmware/xUNIX or Server 2012/hyperV

things getting interested there..
 

Chiropteran

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windows 8 search is supposed to be much improved. but i've probably used search on my computer (not windows 8) less than once a month, on average. is searching really that integral to the process with windows 8?

You can use it as a command line type function, it's actually pretty nice for that.

For example, I want to play Path of Exile.

It's a game I don't play often, so I don't keep it pinned to my task bar.

I could go to the start screen, move around and look for it's icon and click it to start the program.

Or I could type *windowkey* p-a-t *enter* and immediately start the program.

I need calculator, hitting *windowkey* c-a-l *enter* is a pretty fast and easy way to open it.
 

Tom

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You can use it as a command line type function, it's actually pretty nice for that.

For example, I want to play Path of Exile.

It's a game I don't play often, so I don't keep it pinned to my task bar.

I could go to the start screen, move around and look for it's icon and click it to start the program.

Or I could type *windowkey* p-a-t *enter* and immediately start the program.

I need calculator, hitting *windowkey* c-a-l *enter* is a pretty fast and easy way to open it.

The same thing works with Windows 7 and the Start menu.

But the Start menu makes it easy to find programs you don't know the name of, not to mention do things like easily find properties, open a file explorer window in a given directory, as well as about a 1000 other things that aren't nearly as easy without a Start menu.
 

colonelciller

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Plenty of stats all over the net depending which way you want to go,like this one,
I think it'll be interesting to see how well Windows Blue/8.1 does,personally I think sales will improve due to more new tablet/phones available and the new tweaks/improvements to the OS.

the 100 million stat is wildly WILDLY WWIIIILLLLLLDDDDDDLLLLLYYYY deceptive. how many of those licenses wre ever activated? more like half that # (link below). everyone knows that the sold # was pretty much a misdirection away from the # of activations. now ask the question,.. how many of those activations are still using windows 8?.. even better, how many of those license activations for win 8 were used to downgrade immediately to windows 7?

8 is a sinking ship.
and no, there are not "plenty of stats" on the net, just a few decent ones, and those don't come out of Microsoft PR Headquarters.

http://www.dailytech.com/Report+59+...+Been+Activated+Since+Launch/article31538.htm

Ballmer is gonna sink the ship with his Windows 8 religion
 

blankslate

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The same thing works with Windows 7 and the Start menu.

But the Start menu makes it easy to find programs you don't know the name of, not to mention do things like easily find properties, open a file explorer window in a given directory, as well as about a 1000 other things that aren't nearly as easy without a Start menu.

Not to mention that if you take some time to organize your start menu (as well as the installation path when the option is given to you) you can find things later fairly easily without having to rely on search.

for instance for programs not used often enough end up on the recent list for the Win7 tool bar, I can find them with the start menu because I have broad categories for the programs I install including:

Utilities (subdivided into Security, System, and Tools) Media Players, Games, Microsoft, Internet Applications and a few more.

If I have a total brain fart and forget all the names of the programs I have on my computer I've already organized them well enough that they'll be easy to find.




Additionally, while MS brags about 100 million plus copies sold.

Quite a few of those licenses possibly aren't being used.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9239047/Estimates_peg_59M_Windows_8_devices_in_use

Usage share metrics from California analytics company Net Applications can be combined with Microsoft's claim that 1.4 billion Windows PCs run Windows worldwide, a number reiterated Tuesday by Julie Larson-Green, who heads Windows development. Caveats apply: Net Applications' data is based on accessing the Internet, so it cannot account for hardware that doesn't go online, and the firm massages its raw data, weighting users by their country of origin, to come up with what it believes is a more accurate representation of operating system usage.

For April, Windows 8's average usage share was 4.2% of all Windows PCs, according to Net Applications' data. That number included what Net Applications labeled as "touch" for Windows 8 and Windows RT, those tablets and touch-enabled notebooks that browse the Web from the "Modern" user interface (UI) rather than the mouse-and-keyboard UI of the traditional desktop.

Four-point-two percent of 1.4 billion equals approximately 58.6 million, the number of devices using Windows 8 last month.

Those same calculations also illustrate the huge chore Microsoft and its customers, predominantly enterprises, have in ditching the 12-year-old Windows XP before April 2014's support retirement deadline. Using the same math, XP powers about 584.4 million machines, or well over half a billion PCs.

Windows 7? 682.2 million. Vista? 72.5 million, still more than Windows 8
. What about Windows NT, the operating system first released in 1993, or two decades ago? 1.7 million PCs.

While there are nice improvements under the hood to admire about Windows 8 they plastered a jarring interface on top of it with no option (unlike past versions) to return to an earlier version (unless you use a 3rd party program)

In my opinion if there wasn't significant negative feedback about the interface then the option to book to desktop for "blue" or 8.1 wouldn't be a consideration yet there are numerous reports that they are including a boot to desktop option for the next version.

I've played with Windows 8 on an acquaintances computer. I can get by with the search feature, but if I installed in on my own computer I'd get a start menu replacement option so I could go back to a familiar interface while getting more comfortable with the Win8 standard.
 
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HeXen

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to return to an earlier version (unless you use a 3rd party program)

Which is no big deal. Everyone installs 3rd party drivers and apps anyway, regardless of OS used. It's seriously no big deal at all.
So why is it a deal at all? Because of drama queens, there MUST be something to complain about and it's sadly that simple.
 
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