My monitors are about 3 feet away from me, I'm not getting up just to swipe a screen. Plus that must be a bitch on the arms after a couple of hours.
... get a touchscreen. If you don't want touch stick with 7. Jeez, how hard is it for even morons to figure out? None of my W8 systems are non-touch (to use a double negative).
My monitors are about 3 feet away from me, I'm not getting up just to swipe a screen. Plus that must be a bitch on the arms after a couple of hours.
I very much doubt anyone using W8 with touch on a desktop sits there bolt upright with their arm out 100% the time in some sort of pointy Hitler salute prodding at a bolt upright screen. I certainly don't. As I put in another thread, pontificating without experience (or dumbly extrapolating experience from your iPad or whatever) appears to be responsible for a lot of the negative opinions.
To start with, if you'd done any research you might be aware that they pivot / swivel in very different ways to their regular brethren.
So basically you're agreeing that Win8 is a bit crap on the desktop then?
Am I? Or are you just being a smartarse?
Well you said stick with win7 or get touch.
And that touch is not great with your monitors in front of you... like most desktops are set up.
So from that I get that you are saying that Win8 is not great on the desktop, unless we're at odds over what constitutes a desktop?
Desktop is always evolving,I remember the old days using my IBM PC with DOS 6.22,now looking at the present things have certainly changed and have done so for many years or even decades,Win8 can be used as a hybrid OS depending on your needs and usage,personally I don't use touch(unless you got my Android tablet etc) on Win8 and have been using good old mouse and keyboard like I have done so since well lets say many decades.
You could argue thats one of Win8 strengths ie can use it how you want ie touch,mouse,keyboard etc...each has its own strengths and weakness just like any OS.
I was just following his train of logic.
We were, apparently, morons for using Win8 without touch and if we weren't using touch to use win7.
But as he stated most people don't use touch screens with their arm stretched out.
Most desktops are set up with the monitors in front of the user about arms length away.
Which kinda means to me that he's saying win7 is better for the desktop.
Thats the problem some people think you can't use mouse or keyboard on Win8,obviously many users do including myself and it works fine in that situation,I've nothing against touch users if that's what they want to use but they can't argue most desktop users do use mouse and keyboard and many do even on Win8(I for one do as you know on all three of my Win8 PCs).
Thats the problem some people think you can't use mouse or keyboard on Win8,obviously many users do including myself and it works fine in that situation,I've nothing against touch users if that's what they want to use but they can't argue most desktop users do use mouse and keyboard and many do even on Win8(I for one do as you know on all three of my Win8 PCs).
Yeah I use KB and mouse on my Win8 and it's OK.
It's OK because of the 3rd party apps that make it more like Win7 on the desktop.
What worries me is if Microsoft keep going down the path of minimising the use of the traditional desktop in favour of the Metro skin it's going to be horrible for traditional users.
Yes, "most desktops are set up" with screens at a more or less vertical angle, more or less in front of you. Have you considered that the type of screen might, in fact, drive the choice of how to set up the screens instead of the opposite?Well you said stick with win7 or get touch.
And that touch is not great with your monitors in front of you... like most desktops are set up.
If your definition of "desktop" is "strictly vertical displays exactly three feet away which may under no circumstances be repositioned or angled", it is a silly definition shared by pretty much no one.So from that I get that you are saying that Win8 is not great on the desktop, unless we're at odds over what constitutes a desktop?
No, some people think they have to be smartarses with no experience. Still many others think you'll be touching the monitor all the time with one arm out 100% if you adopt a touchscreen into your use.
Win8 works best along with a touchscreen - doesn't mean you throw away the mouse. Some interactions work better with a mouse, others with touch. After a while the choice for a given task becomes second nature. Only morons (and the aforementioned pontificators with no experience) say it has to be one or the other.
You could argue thats one of Win8 strengths ie can use it how you want ie touch,mouse,keyboard etc...each has its own strengths and weakness just like any OS,
Yes, "most desktops are set up" with screens at a more or less vertical angle, more or less in front of you. Have you considered that the type of screen might, in fact, drive the choice of how to set up the screens instead of the opposite?
As far as I can tell, your argument boils down to "if I intentionally set up a touchscreen in a manner not suitable for touchscreen use, it will be unergonomic, therefore touchscreens are bad."If your definition of "desktop" is "strictly vertical displays exactly three feet away which may under no circumstances be repositioned or angled", it is a silly definition shared by pretty much no one.
The last MASSIVE improvement in OSes (imho) was the support for multiple monitors, multi-core, or 64-bit support (don't know which came last).
I thought I said each has their own strength and weakness
Protip: Quoting someone else instead of the guy you're supposed to be quoting from makes you look dumb. I wasn't opposing your POV. I was opposing Welshbloke's comments which aren't rooted in any degree of experience.
Protip: Quoting someone else instead of the guy you're supposed to be quoting from makes you look dumb. I wasn't opposing your POV. I was opposing Welshbloke's comments which aren't rooted in any degree of experience.
I honestly like win8. The UI is simple to get used to and makes a lot of sense if you ignore the metro apps. I have yet to need or use a metro app. I find the new start menu intuitive and can navigate my whole computer very efficiently.
As a whole I prefer it to windows 7. I don't use a mouse, so the whole touch screen/mouse debate doesn't effect me. Shutdown and restart are exactly the same as they were for me in previous windows editions (cmd-D, alt-F4). I still press cmd to launch all apps (never did like a start menu) and ever sense MS added powershell by default the OS as a whole has gotten a lot easier to automate and manager.
I have no experience because I don't agree with you? Well thats an interesting definition of "no experience" anyway.
I refer you back to the post about inferring opinions from irrelevant / lack of experience of what you're arguing against. I'm fine with disagreement because I don't have that kind of small-timer ego. The problem is disagreement when it's abundantly clear one side has no relevant experience whatsoever. Go get some (and that doesn't involve standing for 5 minutes at some PC World or whatever shop you have there in Wales). Then we'll talk.