Holy crap look at the MBA 13 with Mavericks battery life

[freegeeks]

This and the rest of your post are at odds with each other :whiste:

the only apple stuff I have are laptops and a mac mini (3,5 years old, as a fanboy Apple is not making a lot of money out of me), smartphone is android, I would never buy an iPhone.
the majority of wintendo laptops are cheap crap and fall apart after 2 years of heavy use
if you want a quality wintendo laptop, you will pay almost as much as a macbook anyway but it still comes with windows which makes it useless by definition

and I call it wintendo because windows as an os is a total joke, I'm reminded every day because of my work vista hp laptop.

Before my switch to os x 6 years ago I used linux. Mac os x for me it the perfect blend between power user and ease of work. Open a terminal and you have a full blown nix system. Let's be honest, windows users describing themselves as power users are probably wintendo or exchange administrators who get a heart attack when they see a terminal

 

[Tweak155]

the only apple stuff I have are laptops and a mac mini (3,5 years old, as a fanboy Apple is not making a lot of money out of me), smartphone is android, I would never buy an iPhone.
the majority of wintendo laptops are cheap crap and fall apart after 2 years of heavy use
if you want a quality wintendo laptop, you will pay almost as much as a macbook anyway but it still comes with windows which makes it useless by definition

and I call it wintendo because windows as an os is a total joke, I'm reminded every day because of my work vista hp laptop.

Before my switch to os x 6 years ago I used linux. Mac os x for me it the perfect blend between power user and ease of work. Open a terminal and you have a full blown nix system. Let's be honest, windows users describing themselves as power users are probably wintendo or exchange administrators who get a heart attack when they see a terminal

You feed this post with a lot of ignorance.

 

[freegeeks]

You feed this post with a lot of ignorance.

opinion does not equal ignorance


all i know is that pc support calls declined by 95% when I moved my parents from wintendo to mac os x

for that alone it's worth the apple tax

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I think we are in agreement. My only point (going back a few posts and well of topic by now) is that while a MBP with integrated graphics can run Minecraft without breaking a sweat, the first time you try doing it with a one button trackpad is also probably the last time you will try it.

True, though I would think any gamer would be using a mouse. I haven't gamed much with a PC in a long time, but for the stuff I liked (mostly FPSs), any touchpad is pretty much useless.

 

[Tweak155]

opinion does not equal ignorance


all i know is that pc support calls declined by 95% when I moved my parents from wintendo to mac os x

for that alone it's worth the apple tax

You can have ignorant opinions. Also my parents don't have any problems with their Windows PC's. Not sure that speaks so well of your parents, might want to reconsider how you word your statements.

 

[freegeeks]

You can have ignorant opinions. Also my parents don't have any problems with their Windows PC's. Not sure that speaks so well of your parents, might want to reconsider how you word your statements.

whatever dude, enjoy the wintendo

 

[Tweak155]

whatever dude, enjoy the wintendo

Will do

 

[freegeeks]

Will do

:thumbsup:

 

[el-Capitan]

WTF is Wintendo? That's just silly.

Moved my dad and wife to Mac. I still get plenty of "support calls".

My mom is the most casual of all users, but since I got her a Lenovo W7, she hasn't called once. To ask about her laptop, that is

I used a mac for five years. Sold it earlier this year. Its the same difference only its shinier and gives a faux 'geek cred'. Personally, I am at war with their usability and cannot settle for the closed system on my iPad and iPhone.

 

[freegeeks]

WTF is Wintendo? That's just silly.

Moved my dad and wife to Mac. I still get plenty of "support calls".

My mom is the most casual of all users, but since I got her a Lenovo W7, she hasn't called once. To ask about her laptop, that is

I used a mac for five years. Sold it earlier this year. Its the same difference only its shinier and gives a faux 'geek cred'. Personally, I am at war with their usability and cannot settle for the closed system on my iPad and iPhone.

Windows + Nintendo = Wintendo aka as an os you can not take serious

 

[el-Capitan]

Windows + Nintendo = Wintendo aka as an os you can not take serious

You are letting ignorance and hate speak. Welcome to the dark side.

 

[Eug]

Windows + Nintendo = Wintendo aka as an os you can not take serious

Sorry to say it, but I find your posts very difficult to take seriously, and by some measures I'm a confirmed Apple fanboy.

 

[freegeeks]

You are letting ignorance and hate speak. Welcome to the dark side.

feeling hate for an os, are you serious? I just think that windows is utter crap, that's all

didn't know that my opinion about a crappy piece of software would hurt the feelings of some people here

 

[freegeeks]

Sorry to say it, but I find your posts very difficult to take seriously, and by some measures I'm a confirmed Apple fanboy.

sorry but just because I have strong feelings about a certain os (in this case windows being total crap), I'm apparently an apple fanboy

an apple fanboy with a macbook that's 3,5 years old, a mac mini that's 3,5 years old an an iPad 1 (yes, the super slow-mo first generation iPad). I'm also the only apple fanboy in the world with an android nexus 4. People have some weird definitions here what a fanboy is

Didn't know that people could be so butthurt because I called their beloved os wintendo

 

[JAG87]

Sorry to say it, but I find your posts very difficult to take seriously, and by some measures I'm a confirmed Apple fanboy.

The way I see it, there's no such thing as a fanboy. Not for Apple, not for any brand. Nobody in the world, even the richest, would willingly pay more for a product if it wasn't better. The only way a fanboy can exist is if something can be scientifically and undeniably proven to be worse, and that person still prefers it.

sorry but just because I have strong feelings about a certain os (in this case windows being total crap), I'm apparently an apple fanboy

an apple fanboy with a macbook that's 3,5 years old, a mac mini that's 3,5 years old an an iPad 1 (yes, the super slow-mo first generation iPad). I'm also a fanboy with an android nexus 4. People have some weird definitions here what a fanboy is

Didn't know hat people could be so butthurt because I called their beloved os wintendo

It's the fact that you state it like it's either black or white. Your preference is for OSX (so is mine), but Windows is not 100% terrible. There are still things that Windows does much better than OSX. This is why people have a hard time taking you seriously.

And I also don't see the relation between Windows and Nintendo, and how the correlation makes Wintendo more denigrating than the name Windows is already by itself.

 

[gus6464]

I don't understand the hate for Windows. I have no issues with W7 and it just works as well. On the other hand I bought the new rMBP because of the hardware not the software. Also OSX is still absolute garbage when connecting to SMB shares which is just stupid considering that with Windows and Linux smb works flawlessly.

If I could have the rMBP and Windows 7 but keep the 10.9 battery life I would do it in a heartbeat. There are still a couple things OSX is horrible at after all these years and it's mostly having to do with interacting with other OS'.

 

[freegeeks]

I don't understand the hate for Windows. I have no issues with W7 and it just works as well. On the other hand I bought the new rMBP because of the hardware not the software. Also OSX is still absolute garbage when connecting to SMB shares which is just stupid considering that with Windows and Linux smb works flawlessly.

If I could have the rMBP and Windows 7 but keep the 10.9 battery life I would do it in a heartbeat. There are still a couple things OSX is horrible at after all these years and it's mostly having to do with interacting with other OS'.

didn't try it myself it but mavericks is using smb2 which should be much better

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...fp-file-sharing-to-smb2-in-os-x-109-mavericks

also, CIFS/SMB in general is a horrible chatty protocol

 

[sushiwarrior]

As far as I can see, Apple laptops are the best on the market in essentially every relevant attribute. The build quality is stellar, they are light and very robust, their battery life is excellent, the screens are amazing, the touchpad is unrivaled by any other laptop pointing device, and the resale is worlds better than any other manufacturer. I am a longtime PC guy and didn't buy my first Mac until about 8 years ago. Now I can't imagine using a non-Apple laptop anytime in the foreseeable future. I am typing this on a nearly 4 1/2-year old 13" MBP, which still looks and works great. I have never had another laptop last meaningfully beyond 2 years.

My broke ass is a lot happier with my $600 Core i7 lenovo U410 (dedicated graphics too) than a comparable Macbook (or even entry level) which would cost approximately twice as much. Just not my piece of cake.

Apple may make the "best", but almost everyone else makes "good enough". And Apple's prices are far from the best

 

[gus6464]

didn't try it myself it but mavericks is using smb2 which should be much better

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...fp-file-sharing-to-smb2-in-os-x-109-mavericks

also, CIFS/SMB in general is a horrible chatty protocol

Nope, still horrible. Couldn't connect to SMB share last night and what fixed it is I had to disable SMB packet signing enforcement on the dc. No issues with this turned on in Linux. Ohh also kerberos hates it if the osx machine's time is off by more than a second with the dc. I have seen it be off on windows and linux machines with somewhat a decent room for error and still work.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't understand the hate for Windows. I have no issues with W7 and it just works as well. On the other hand I bought the new rMBP because of the hardware not the software. Also OSX is still absolute garbage when connecting to SMB shares which is just stupid considering that with Windows and Linux smb works flawlessly.

If I could have the rMBP and Windows 7 but keep the 10.9 battery life I would do it in a heartbeat. There are still a couple things OSX is horrible at after all these years and it's mostly having to do with interacting with other OS'.

I definitely don't hate Windows, though I have never really warmed up to any new generation of Windows since XP (which I am using the type this right now, at work). I bought my first Mac, a white MacBook, intending to run Windows through Boot Camp, but found I preferred OS X and have never had occasion to use Windows on a Mac with any regularity. I still find Windows preferable when it comes to certain core functionality, though in general I greatly prefer OS X.

 

[slashbinslashbash]

The way I see it, there's no such thing as a fanboy. Not for Apple, not for any brand. Nobody in the world, even the richest, would willingly pay more for a product if it wasn't better. The only way a fanboy can exist is if something can be scientifically and undeniably proven to be worse, and that person still prefers it.

"Scientifically proven" to be "better" and "worse"... in the real world this is hardly ever the case. Let's take console gaming. Xbox 360 vs. PS3. Both roughly similar in raw compute and GPU power. PS3 has Blu-Ray but through most of the life cycle was correspondingly more expensive. Except for console exclusives, the games on the two play almost exactly the same. And yet you have "PS3 SUXXX" threads all over the place.

What it usually comes down to is, a person doesn't have enough money to buy both, so they pick one and then justify their purchase with hatred for the other.

It's the same with Android vs. iPhone. Neither is provably "better" than the other, they both have their pluses and minuses. But since most people have only one smartphone, they feel the need to justify their decision by putting the other down. They are unwilling to see the flaws in their own chosen products, while over-emphasizing the flaws in the opposing products. You can see this everywhere, and this is what people mean by "fanboy".

 

[JAG87]

"Scientifically proven" to be "better" and "worse"... in the real world this is hardly ever the case. Let's take console gaming. Xbox 360 vs. PS3. Both roughly similar in raw compute and GPU power. PS3 has Blu-Ray but through most of the life cycle was correspondingly more expensive. Except for console exclusives, the games on the two play almost exactly the same. And yet you have "PS3 SUXXX" threads all over the place.

What it usually comes down to is, a person doesn't have enough money to buy both, so they pick one and then justify their purchase with hatred for the other.

It's the same with Android vs. iPhone. Neither is provably "better" than the other, they both have their pluses and minuses. But since most people have only one smartphone, they feel the need to justify their decision by putting the other down. They are unwilling to see the flaws in their own chosen products, while over-emphasizing the flaws in the opposing products. You can see this everywhere, and this is what people mean by "fanboy".

Exactly. I know there's plenty of evidence that fanboys exist, I was just merely trying to point out why they shouldn't really exist. Proving something scientifically and undeniably is not possible with most consumer products. For example, you may say that iPhone is better than Samsung. But this cannot be scientifically proven because what matters is the user's preference (for example the iOS vs Android ecosystem). Same thing with PS3 vs 360. You cannot scientifically prove that one is better. It comes down to preference (for example the controller ergonomics). That's what I was trying to say. Calling someone a fanboy for consistently choosing OSX over Windows is plain ridiculous, neither can be scientifically proven to be better or worse, it's all about preference.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I definitely don't hate Windows, though I have never really warmed up to any new generation of Windows since XP (which I am using the type this right now, at work). I bought my first Mac, a white MacBook, intending to run Windows through Boot Camp, but found I preferred OS X and have never had occasion to use Windows on a Mac with any regularity. I still find Windows preferable when it comes to certain core functionality, though in general I greatly prefer OS X.

I think that's how I felt when getting a MacBook. I had a gaming PC. It wasn't stellar by any means, but it was decent to game on. The MacBook Pro had a 8600GT and it was great for gaming too. But as I graduated college, I realized I'm not here to game all day. And what little gaming I did need to do I could do it on my PC.

I found that the Mac did pretty much 99% of what I needed to do. I installed Parallels for the first 2 years or so, but after that I never used it again. I rarely needed it. I was not at home so often during grad school that I learned to use the crappy Mac Office to do my classwork and Masters thesis.

Even now I can do pretty much what I need to do on my PC. I can edit photos in Lightroom, do some content creation using Photoshop and Illustrator. I can use the Office suite since 2011 is half decent. I surf the web, watch movies just fine.

 

[gus6464]

What osx needs is an mpc-hc clone. VLC is still not there.

 

[chin311]

from last night