Holy Crap Nvidia TAX

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Pandamonia

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So im rocking SLI 780's and i like shadow play.

Looking to go 1440p 144hz with Gsync.

But WTF is the deal with Gsync? £300 MORE than Free Sync nearly doubles the price of the monitor (Acer 144hz)

2x 980Ti's £550 each... Total cost £1770

AMD

£370 for monitor, approx £4xx for the 390X 8GB.

Total Cost likely about £1200 for 90% estimated performance of the 980Ti SLI.

Other than shadowplay what is there to lose?

Or is this just UK bad nvidia pricing..?
 
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LTC8K6

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Shouldn't you be comparing a Fiji based card instead of the Hawaii based 390X?
 

LTC8K6

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390X is not Fury as far as we can tell.

390X is the 290X update.
 

tential

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How far can you tell? Hawaii being a 390/X makes zero sense. 390/X will most likely be Fiji/Fury
This has already been explained to you multiple times. Like multiple times and you've posted in threads with all of this information in it multiple times too.
390x is believed to be Hawaii on the 28nm process of global foundries with improved power consumption and clocked higher (or whatever gf has over tsmc).
Fiji is the codename for the new high end chip amd is positioning to be its premium brand similar to Titan x. This card is labeled fury.

Youre in the extremely small minority to keep pushing the 390x to be fury. Why they would add a second name to the 390x to call it the 390x fury is the thing that makes no sense. Sorry, you're the person not making sense right now.
 

Tuna-Fish

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i thought that was?

is this fury named card?

AMD apparently has realized that their marketing sucks and is copying from nV. It can only be an improvement.

Next gen will likely have Fury as the top card of the lineup, with a high price and (hopefully) the performance to match it. It will not have a model number, just a name like the Titan.
 

DaveSimmons

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It seems a little early to post rants like this when we don't know the AMD pricing and performance yet. Or power draw.

What if it's £1400 for 80% of the performance, or £1600 for 92.5%, or . . .?
 

moonbogg

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At the moment, Gsync works in ways that Freesync does not. It may be the fault of the monitor manufacturers or whatever, but as of now SLI works perfectly with Gsync and crossfire doesn't work with Freesync. Also, Gsync has a greater operational FPS range, again, maybe monitor manufacturers fault or whatever. Doesn't matter who's fault it is. If you want the better technology (Nvidia), you pay more at the moment (Nvidia "tax"). Maybe that will change.
 

Noctifer616

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At the moment, Gsync works in ways that Freesync does not. It may be the fault of the monitor manufacturers or whatever, but as of now SLI works perfectly with Gsync and crossfire doesn't work with Freesync. Also, Gsync has a greater operational FPS range, again, maybe monitor manufacturers fault or whatever. Doesn't matter who's fault it is. If you want the better technology (Nvidia), you pay more at the moment (Nvidia "tax"). Maybe that will change.

AMD is working on drivers for Crossfire Freesync, nothing to do with monitors.

FPS range of Freesync depends on the panel. That's something that's up to the manufacturers. The official range of Freesync is 9 to 240.
 

DaveSimmons

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AMD is working on drivers for Crossfire Freesync, nothing to do with monitors.

FPS range of Freesync depends on the panel. That's something that's up to the manufacturers. The official range of Freesync is 9 to 240.

What about the Acer monitors in the original post? Do they have both the same range?

Also, what is the ETA on Crossfire support? If it won't be available this month then currently there is nothing available to match the nvidia SLI option at any price.
 

Noctifer616

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What about the Acer monitors in the original post? Do they have both the same range?

No idea. They might not considering the the two techs are different.

Also, what is the ETA on Crossfire support? If it won't be available this month then currently there is nothing available to match the nvidia SLI option at any price.

Was supposed to come out in April or May (not sure which) but go pushed back. There is no ETA on when the driver is coming out.
 

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So im rocking SLI 780's and i like shadow play.

Looking to go 1440p 144hz with Gsync.

But WTF is the deal with Gsync? £300 MORE than Free Sync nearly doubles the price of the monitor (Acer 144hz)

2x 980Ti's £550 each... Total cost £1770

AMD

£370 for monitor, approx £4xx for the 390X 8GB.

Total Cost likely about £1200 for 90% estimated performance of the 980Ti SLI.

Other than shadowplay what is there to lose?

Or is this just UK bad nvidia pricing..?

Prices of gsync monitors are up there. Their cards are generally more expensive than AMD. Nvidia is the bigger brand which they push with their own set of features and ecosystem. If all u care about is strictly performance at the best price, your best option is usually AMD.
They have been offering great value when it comes to performance per dollar. Some might argue there are trade offs and there are. But perhaps blown up bigger than they really are. The forums argue over the smallest things.

Back to gsync, I was interested in and waited for freesync to see what changed. Freesync turned out very similar to gsync with minor differences that people will argue about. I never found the monitor that I just had to have. The really great freesync panels I read about before launch were not supposed to be cheap. The were others lI just wouldn't be interested in....because of the refresh range, etc

I never found the perfect monitor I wanted but I did finally order a refurb xb270h. It was very cheap at 350$, i feel like its not a huge investment. i really wanted a higher refresh and i needed a new monitor. The downside is this panel is 1080. But, seeing as I have a single 980, I have decided that the resolution would be a much better match for my graphics card. A 1440 panel would have resulted in me upgrading gpus again and I just don't think I want another 28nm card.

The price of that panel, I don't care down the road. If I get an AMD card, I still have a 144hz panel, no big deal.
Also, I usually have multiple monitors anyway. Not for surround gaming but for work. After unfortunate events, I am down to a junk HannsG panel from the kids room. I needed a panel bad. I have no issues replacing it down the road.

In your case, I am not sure what you should do. But personally, I am not sure I would go from a 780sli setup to a 290cf setup. There will be some performance, but 25% isn't enough performance to throw a bunch of cash at. Surely you can overclock your 780s.
We don't know for sure what the r9 390 will be or exactly how it performs. But there are rumors saying the are just Hawaii with a small speed bump. If you are thinking of that route, you just have to wait and see what the cards are like. If they are straight rebrands (and I am not saying they will be) I would not put go that route.

Remember, these are all still gonna be 28nm cards. They are not generation leaps like we had in the past.

I have heard a lot about gsync though, and how great it is. some say it is like upgrading your GPU, just going to gsync and higher refreshes.

Now, I am not gonna tell you what you should do but offer you something you might not have thought of. Perhaps, if you could find a great deal on a 1080 gsync and just rock that and your 780sli for awhile. If I had a 780sli, I wouldn't upgrade to a 980 or 290(x). It is just too small and not worth it. A 1080p 144hz gsync panel wouldn't be to hard on a 780sli and if you snag one cheap, it might make sense for you to. In the US, not only are there stuff like the refurb i spoke of a above, I have seen the AOC gsync as low as 340$ on a bestbuy sale.

These are just options. I know I don't plan on upgrading my GPU until we finally move past 28nm. Which wil be pascal. And by then, the landscape may be very different when it comes to monitors. I just didn't want that to stop me from experience tech that I am very very interested in.
 

DaveSimmons

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Was supposed to come out in April or May (not sure which) but go pushed back. There is no ETA on when the driver is coming out.

Thanks. So as of today it's an apples to imaginary oranges comparison

£1770 is certainly a lot, but it's apparently what you need to pay to get a working 2-card variable-sync setup right now. It seems a little unfair to call it a tax until there's a working, comparable solution from AMD that costs less.
 

Noctifer616

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Thanks. So as of today it's an apples to imaginary oranges comparison

£1770 is certainly a lot, but it's apparently what you need to pay to get a working 2-card variable-sync setup right now. It seems a little unfair to call it a tax until there's a working, comparable solution from AMD that costs less.

Yep. But like with every technology it will improve over time. There are more monitors coming out and I think that the Crossfire driver will come this summer.
 
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Until there's good FS monitors that support the lower range to 30 fps and has overdrive compatibility, NV can charge whatever the heck they want because GS is superior, period.
 

Noctifer616

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Until there's good FS monitors that support the lower range to 30 fps and has overdrive compatibility, NV can charge whatever the heck they want because GS is superior, period.

http://www.legitreviews.com/nixeus-...-amd-freesync-gaming-monitor-announced_165087

That is correct - Over Drive has been working in our NX-VUE24 displays since AMD provided us with their first non-public BETA Freesync Drivers last year... Over drive is also working with the current AMD cards and current public BETA Freesync Drivers. During our own validation process when we turned ON Over Drive with Freesync ON - it was too strong and had significant pixel overshoot, but at the time we had other more important bugs (unrelated to Adaptive Sync/Freesync) to resolve at the time to get our monitor to be consumer ready.

When it came time to address the Over Drive performance with Freesync, we consulted with AMD and our scalar partner to fine tune it to the best that the display can handle to minimize both ghosting and pixel overshoot. It was a significant improvement and is no longer an issue. From my own eyes, with Over Drive enabled performance was about on par with other VRR monitors I have to play with.
 

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No idea. They might not considering the the two techs are different.



Was supposed to come out in April or May (not sure which) but go pushed back. There is no ETA on when the driver is coming out.

AMD doesnt have the best history when it comes to driver fixes!...I would take any ETA from AMD with a grain of salt. 2yrs was the last time period for a CF fix.
 

tential

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At the moment, Gsync works in ways that Freesync does not. It may be the fault of the monitor manufacturers or whatever, but as of now SLI works perfectly with Gsync and crossfire doesn't work with Freesync. Also, Gsync has a greater operational FPS range, again, maybe monitor manufacturers fault or whatever. Doesn't matter who's fault it is. If you want the better technology (Nvidia), you pay more at the moment (Nvidia "tax"). Maybe that will change.

Nvidia doesn't support DSR in SLI though and AMD supports VSR in crossfire.

Just throwing that out there.... Neither solution is ideal to me yet.

You need to support SLI/Crossfire AND Gsync/Freesync AND DSR/VSR before I'm happy.
Put Gsync/Freesync on a big screen TV and those features all working.... I'll deliver payment in whatever way necessary.... whatever way.....
 

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You need to support SLI/Crossfire AND Gsync/Freesync AND DSR/VSR before I'm happy.
Put Gsync/Freesync on a big screen TV and those features all working.... I'll deliver payment in whatever way necessary.... whatever way.....

Can DSR/VSR and Gsync/Freesync be used at the same time?
 

digitaldurandal

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Doesn't make sense. At any rate, this is an Nvidia TAX thread.

And? He was on topic. The OP was comparing the cost of two similar setups one for AMD and one for Nvidia. AMD's equivalent is Fury not 390X.

I don't understand how you can reply to a statement and then get a reply to your response and make a flippant post insinuating that the other poster was off topic.

Firstly if the were then so were you. Secondly they weren't their post was directly related to OP.

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if you can just get the highest powered single-GPU solution and FreeSync, you'll be fine.

I don't really see a fuss about not being able to avoid tearing 40FPS or whatever. I doubt that would ever bother me, and certainly is not worth $300
 

thehotsung8701A

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if you can just get the highest powered single-GPU solution and FreeSync, you'll be fine.

I don't really see a fuss about not being able to avoid tearing 40FPS or whatever. I doubt that would ever bother me, and certainly is not worth $300

I feel the same way, but I never really had many screen tear (10%) even without v-sync on. Either that or I don't notice it.
 
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