Sorry, the god I don't believe in punishes you if you believe in it/she/he and rewards nonbelievers, she/he/it is reclusive. So, it's better to wager on he/she/it no existing.
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I'm not surprised at the responses in this thread given it's ATOT...
1. Innocent until proven guilty. Too bad the anti-religion faction here jumped on the chance to call out another "boy-loving priest". (Never mind that the alleged victim is female). As a Protestant I believe the root of the problem lies in Catholic doctrine which requires a celibate priesthood, and defer to the apostle Paul's sexual ethics (marriage OK).
2. "Holy crap, people still believe in gods?"
If you're going to make an argument based on quasi-rationality (standard atheist/agnostic basis for scoffing at religions), I present to you Pascal's Wager from his Pensées (synopsis from Wikipedia): "The Wager posits that it is a better "bet" to believe that God exists than not to believe, because the expected value of believing (which Pascal assessed as infinite) is always greater than the expected value of not believing. In Pascal's assessment, it is inexcusable not to investigate this issue". Wikipedia presents one of the main objections to this as the Atheist's Wager, which in my opinion is not really a significant objection, as one who truly believes in God (ie strives to become a true follower of Christ) will also strive to better the present as well.
3. "it's not crazy, it's par for the course"
I would wager it's not as common as made out to be by media outlets (oh how they love a witch hunt or sensational story). Despite the fact that I would argue against required celibacy, I believe that many priests out there do earnestly try their best to live upright lives. Despite all their human tendencies and frailty.
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I'm not surprised at the responses in this thread given it's ATOT...
1. Innocent until proven guilty. Too bad the anti-religion faction here jumped on the chance to call out another "boy-loving priest". (Never mind that the alleged victim is female). As a Protestant I believe the root of the problem lies in Catholic doctrine which requires a celibate priesthood, and defer to the apostle Paul's sexual ethics (marriage OK).
2. "Holy crap, people still believe in gods?"
If you're going to make an argument based on quasi-rationality (standard atheist/agnostic basis for scoffing at religions), I present to you Pascal's Wager from his Pensées (synopsis from Wikipedia): "The Wager posits that it is a better "bet" to believe that God exists than not to believe, because the expected value of believing (which Pascal assessed as infinite) is always greater than the expected value of not believing. In Pascal's assessment, it is inexcusable not to investigate this issue". Wikipedia presents one of the main objections to this as the Atheist's Wager, which in my opinion is not really a significant objection, as one who truly believes in God (ie strives to become a true follower of Christ) will also strive to better the present as well.
3. "it's not crazy, it's par for the course"
I would wager it's not as common as made out to be by media outlets (oh how they love a witch hunt or sensational story). Despite the fact that I would argue against required celibacy, I believe that many priests out there do earnestly try their best to live upright lives. Despite all their human tendencies and frailty.
Sorry, the god I don't believe in punishes you if you believe in it/she/he and rewards nonbelievers, she/he/it is reclusive. So, it's better to wager on he/she/it no existing.
Originally posted by: purbeast0
wow so like over half the people in this thread didn't even read the article and find the fact that all this happened before he was involved in the catholic church.
Stallings has served since 1986 as a deacon at St. John the Evangelist Catholic Church located at 10103 Georgia Ave. in Silver Spring.
Police said the alleged abuse took place outside of Stallings' ministry and did not occur on church property. However, Stallings was active in the parish's Catholic Youth Organization and served in various other positions working with children over the years.
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
2. "Holy crap, people still believe in gods?"
If you're going to make an argument based on quasi-rationality (standard atheist/agnostic basis for scoffing at religions), I present to you Pascal's Wager from his Pensées (synopsis from Wikipedia): "The Wager posits that it is a better "bet" to believe that God exists than not to believe, because the expected value of believing (which Pascal assessed as infinite) is always greater than the expected value of not believing. In Pascal's assessment, it is inexcusable not to investigate this issue". Wikipedia presents one of the main objections to this as the Atheist's Wager, which in my opinion is not really a significant objection, as one who truly believes in God (ie strives to become a true follower of Christ) will also strive to better the present as well.
Originally posted by: palswim
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I'm not surprised at the responses in this thread given it's ATOT...
1. Innocent until proven guilty. Too bad the anti-religion faction here jumped on the chance to call out another "boy-loving priest". (Never mind that the alleged victim is female). As a Protestant I believe the root of the problem lies in Catholic doctrine which requires a celibate priesthood, and defer to the apostle Paul's sexual ethics (marriage OK).
2. "Holy crap, people still believe in gods?"
If you're going to make an argument based on quasi-rationality (standard atheist/agnostic basis for scoffing at religions), I present to you Pascal's Wager from his Pensées (synopsis from Wikipedia): "The Wager posits that it is a better "bet" to believe that God exists than not to believe, because the expected value of believing (which Pascal assessed as infinite) is always greater than the expected value of not believing. In Pascal's assessment, it is inexcusable not to investigate this issue". Wikipedia presents one of the main objections to this as the Atheist's Wager, which in my opinion is not really a significant objection, as one who truly believes in God (ie strives to become a true follower of Christ) will also strive to better the present as well.
3. "it's not crazy, it's par for the course"
I would wager it's not as common as made out to be by media outlets (oh how they love a witch hunt or sensational story). Despite the fact that I would argue against required celibacy, I believe that many priests out there do earnestly try their best to live upright lives. Despite all their human tendencies and frailty.
Sorry, the god I don't believe in punishes you if you believe in it/she/he and rewards nonbelievers, she/he/it is reclusive. So, it's better to wager on he/she/it no existing.
That still leaves the Christian in a better position since he also doesn't believe in that god.
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: purbeast0
wow so like over half the people in this thread didn't even read the article and find the fact that all this happened before he was involved in the catholic church.
It does not say that though. It does say:
Stallings has served since 1986 as a deacon at St. John the Evangelist Catholic Church located at 10103 Georgia Ave. in Silver Spring.
He was involved with the church before 1986, to become a Deacon you must have already been an ordained minister. It also says:
Police said the alleged abuse took place outside of Stallings' ministry and did not occur on church property. However, Stallings was active in the parish's Catholic Youth Organization and served in various other positions working with children over the years.
For obvious reason pedos will search for positions that give them access to children.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Originally posted by: TallBill
Holy crap, people still believe in gods?
just because you don't doesn't mean everyone shares your opinion
in my opinion, not believing in God is unnatural. But that's just me.
I share TallBill's opinion...along with a good portion of ATOT I suspect. I also assure you that I am, in fact, natural.
Why don't you stop dodging the topic at hand and address the subject of your beloved clergy molesting little boys. I guess you aren't catholic though so it's probably okay...
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
God loves pedophiles, that's why he hires so many of them to work for him.
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I don't know much about Catholicism, but aren't clergymen supposed to remain abstinent? The whole abstinence things is what fuels these silly sex charges because no matter how hard you try, you can't force someone to be a eunich. Any regular person, when restricted from normal sexual relationships, will become extremely horny and use the easiest thing he can to satisfy himself. I say the Catholic dogma is as much to blaim as the priest.
this guy was a permanent deacon, not as much power as a priest but still part of the clergy, but they are allowed to marry and not take the vow of celibacy
Originally posted by: datalink7
(If it turns out that I've been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would chose not to worship him anyway.)"
Originally posted by: purbeast0
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I have gotten communion from this guy before. I went to grade school from K - 8th grade here as well and have been involved with sports since I graduated in 8th grade. This is crazy.
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
God loves pedophiles, that's why he hires so many of them to work for him.
Not as common as media makes it out to be.
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
God loves pedophiles, that's why he hires so many of them to work for him.
Not as common as media makes it out to be.
From Wiki:
* In December 2006 the Archdiocese of Los Angeles (Roger Cardinal Mahony) agreed to a payout of $60 million to settle 45 of the over 500 pending cases concerning abuse by priests.[38] In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay a $660 million settlement to hundreds of people who claimed to have been abused by clergy. [39]
* In September of 2003 the Archdiocese of Boston agreed to pay out $85 million to 552 victims.[40]
* In 1997 the Diocese of Dallas negotiated a $31 million settlement with victims.[41]
* In June of 2003 the Archdiocese of Louisville made a $25.7 million settlement involving 240 victims of sexual abuse.[42]
* On January 3, 2005 Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange apologized to 87 alleged victims of sexual abuse and announced a settlement of $100 million following two years of mediation.[43]
* In December of 2006 the Diocese of Phoenix agreed to pay $100,000 to William Cesolini who claimed he was sexually assaulted as a teenager by a priest.[44]
* In Canada the Christian Brothers have paid out approximately $35 million (Canadian) in compensation.[45]
* Citing monetary concerns arising from impending trials on sex abuse claims, the Archdiocese of Portland (Oregon) filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on July 6, 2004, hours before two abuse trials were set to begin, becoming the first Catholic diocese to file for bankruptcy. If granted, bankruptcy would mean pending and future lawsuits would be settled in federal bankruptcy court. The archdiocese had settled more than one hundred previous claims for a sum of over $53 million. The filing seeks to protect parish assets, school money and trust funds from abuse victims: the archdiocese's contention is that parish assets are not the archdiocese's assets. Plaintiffs in the cases against the archdiocese have argued that the Catholic church is a single entity, and that the Vatican should be liable for any damages awarded in judgment of pending sexual abuse cases.
* The Diocese of Spokane in December of 2004. The diocese of Spokane in Washington as part of its bankruptcy has agreed to pay at least 48 million dollars as compensation to people abused by priests. This payout has to be agreed with by the victims and another Judge before it will be made.[46]
* The Diocese of Tucson filed for bankruptcy in September, 2004. The Diocese of Tucson reached an agreement with its victims, which the bankruptcy judge approved June 11, 2005, specifying terms that included allowing the diocese reorganization to continue in return for a $22.2 million settlement.[47]
* On October 10, 2006, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Davenport also filed for Chapter 11 protection. [48] The decision to file for bankruptcy was being driven by many claims which focus on Bishop Lawrence Soens, who has been accused of fondling as many as 15 students during his tenure as priest and principal at Regina Catholic High School in Iowa City during the 1960s. Soens denies the allegations. A judge discharged one suit in October 2006.[49]
* On February 27, 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego also filed for Chapter 11 protection, hours before the first of about 150 lawsuits was due to be heard. San Diego became the largest diocese to postpone its legal problems in this way.[50]
Not as common? ROFLMAO!! That's the tip of the iceberg considering that most victims of sexual abuse never come forward. There have been nearly 5,000 priests accused of molesting children in the last 40 years. That doesn't count the ones that were molested in the previous 1960 years. Keep telling yourself that the problem is a media creation of that's what help you sleep nights. The rest of us know the truth.
God loves pedophiles and he hires them by the thousands.
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
God loves pedophiles, that's why he hires so many of them to work for him.
Not as common as media makes it out to be.
From Wiki:
* In December 2006 the Archdiocese of Los Angeles (Roger Cardinal Mahony) agreed to a payout of $60 million to settle 45 of the over 500 pending cases concerning abuse by priests.[38] In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay a $660 million settlement to hundreds of people who claimed to have been abused by clergy. [39]
* In September of 2003 the Archdiocese of Boston agreed to pay out $85 million to 552 victims.[40]
* In 1997 the Diocese of Dallas negotiated a $31 million settlement with victims.[41]
* In June of 2003 the Archdiocese of Louisville made a $25.7 million settlement involving 240 victims of sexual abuse.[42]
* On January 3, 2005 Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange apologized to 87 alleged victims of sexual abuse and announced a settlement of $100 million following two years of mediation.[43]
* In December of 2006 the Diocese of Phoenix agreed to pay $100,000 to William Cesolini who claimed he was sexually assaulted as a teenager by a priest.[44]
* In Canada the Christian Brothers have paid out approximately $35 million (Canadian) in compensation.[45]
* Citing monetary concerns arising from impending trials on sex abuse claims, the Archdiocese of Portland (Oregon) filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on July 6, 2004, hours before two abuse trials were set to begin, becoming the first Catholic diocese to file for bankruptcy. If granted, bankruptcy would mean pending and future lawsuits would be settled in federal bankruptcy court. The archdiocese had settled more than one hundred previous claims for a sum of over $53 million. The filing seeks to protect parish assets, school money and trust funds from abuse victims: the archdiocese's contention is that parish assets are not the archdiocese's assets. Plaintiffs in the cases against the archdiocese have argued that the Catholic church is a single entity, and that the Vatican should be liable for any damages awarded in judgment of pending sexual abuse cases.
* The Diocese of Spokane in December of 2004. The diocese of Spokane in Washington as part of its bankruptcy has agreed to pay at least 48 million dollars as compensation to people abused by priests. This payout has to be agreed with by the victims and another Judge before it will be made.[46]
* The Diocese of Tucson filed for bankruptcy in September, 2004. The Diocese of Tucson reached an agreement with its victims, which the bankruptcy judge approved June 11, 2005, specifying terms that included allowing the diocese reorganization to continue in return for a $22.2 million settlement.[47]
* On October 10, 2006, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Davenport also filed for Chapter 11 protection. [48] The decision to file for bankruptcy was being driven by many claims which focus on Bishop Lawrence Soens, who has been accused of fondling as many as 15 students during his tenure as priest and principal at Regina Catholic High School in Iowa City during the 1960s. Soens denies the allegations. A judge discharged one suit in October 2006.[49]
* On February 27, 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego also filed for Chapter 11 protection, hours before the first of about 150 lawsuits was due to be heard. San Diego became the largest diocese to postpone its legal problems in this way.[50]
Not as common? ROFLMAO!! That's the tip of the iceberg considering that most victims of sexual abuse never come forward. There have been nearly 5,000 priests accused of molesting children in the last 40 years. That doesn't count the ones that were molested in the previous 1960 years. Keep telling yourself that the problem is a media creation of that's what help you sleep nights. The rest of us know the truth.
God loves pedophiles and he hires them by the thousands.
5,000 in 40 years... do you know how many Catholic priests there are in the world? 5000/40 = 125 a year, or roughly 1 every 3 days out of a population of 400K+ Catholic priests.
Obviously this is bad and I have much to disagree with Catholics about, but at a incidence rate of about 1% of priests being accused of sexual abuse, even assuming all are guilty you get about as many bad apples as the rest of the general population...
Originally posted by: moshquerade
I didn't bust on him for his grammar.Originally posted by: biggestmuff
Originally posted by: moshquerade
#1 - Learn to spell
There're isn't even a word
It most certainly is a word.
No, it is not!
Originally posted by: moshquerade
#2 - I won't mock your godlessness, and you shouldn't mock others beliefs in God.
Bwahahah! If you're going to bust people out for grammatical errors, don't fuck up when you write.
Oh, and you didn't use that comma properly so bite me.