Holy ****. Xeon E5-2670s from decommissioned Facebook servers selling for $70 on EBay

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Yuriman

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With a big GPU and DX11 that might be true.

But with a more modest GPU and DX12/Vulkan things should be a lot better.



According to passmark, E2670 has around the same (actually slightly higher) single thread as a FX-9370:

E5 2670: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-2670+@+2.60GHz (12517 MT, 1625 ST)

FX-9370: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-9370+Eight-Core (9537 MT, 1609 ST)

I expect that's when you're only loading a single thread, and turbo is taking that one core up to 3.3ghz. 3.3ghz is ~27% higher than the 2.6ghz you're likely to get when you have a couple of threads lightly loaded.
 

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MrTeal

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With a big GPU and DX11 that might be true.

But with a more modest GPU and DX12/Vulkan things should be a lot better.

Who would spend $200+ on a motherboard and $70 on a CPU to pair it with a modest GPU and hope DX12 improves scaling? For the same kind of money you could pick up a B150M motherboard and i5-6500, which would certainly be a better gaming computer in that price range.
 

Yuriman

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Indeed. I can see these chips being used for productivity, but gaming? Not worth it.
 

Justinbaileyman

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Well I snagged 2 off ebay for $120 total, but now I need a single socket motherboard.I plan to keep one of the cpu's for a spare/backup incase one of them takes a dirt nap.
What motherboard would you guys suggest?
 

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Who would spend $200+ on a motherboard and $70 on a CPU to pair it with a modest GPU and hope DX12 improves scaling? For the same kind of money you could pick up a B150M motherboard and i5-6500, which would certainly be a better gaming computer in that price range.

$200 is too much for a new X79 motherboard when new X99 can be found for less.

What we need to happen is for Intel to re-release X79 (silently) so new LGA 2011 boards would be much less than $200.

This would allow Intel to fill the slow "more core" niche without killing AMD (re: AMD would still have OEM and Boutique builder sales at the very minumum plus any DIYers who are not interested in used processors) in the way that releasing a consumer (ie, higher clocked) version of Xeon-D would not.

Also by not releasing a consumer Xeon-D chip for the "more core" consumer niche, Intel would have more capacity to fulfill 14nm server needs.
 
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ElFenix

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You forgot the fact that if ou run a datacenter with thousands of these cpus you need to cool it. And the cost saved on cooling adds up quickly.

AFAIK there are plans (or already built by now, don't really know) for datacenters which use the generated heat for heating houses in winter.

moving 30 watts of heat from inside to outside doesn't cost anywhere near 30 watts. no where near 10 watts for a major industrial cooling facility, i would expect. so less than $200 in energy expense over 5 years additional. even if you're buying carbon offsets that still doesn't make much price difference to justify new parts if you're not getting additional performance.

density is likely the major cost. add in the US tax policy's strong preference for capital investment on top to reduce the cost.


$200 is too much for a new X79 motherboard when new X99 can be found for less.

What we need to happen is for Intel to re-release X79 (silently) so new LGA 2011 boards would be much less than $200.

This allow Intel to fill the slow "more core" niche without killing AMD (re: AMD would still have OEM and Boutique builder sales at the very minumum plus any DIYers who are not interested in used processors) in the way that releasing a consumer version of Xeon-D would not.

Also by not releasing a consumer Xeon-D chip for the "more core" consumer niche, Intel would have more capacity to fulfill 14nm server needs.
you have the most pie in the sky ideas of anyone here. i gotta hand it to you for your persistence. not gonna happen though, intel likely doesn't sell chipsets for much above cost, and probably moved that fab onto something else (x79 was 65 nm, that equipment has probably been sold or scrapped). a re-release isn't economically feasible.
 
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MrTeal

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$200 is too much for a new X79 motherboard when new X99 can be found for less.

What we need to happen is for Intel to re-release X79 (silently) so new LGA 2011 boards would be much less than $200.

This would allow Intel to fill the slow "more core" niche without killing AMD (re: AMD would still have OEM and Boutique builder sales at the very minumum plus any DIYers who are not interested in used processors) in the way that releasing a consumer (ie, higher clocked) version of Xeon-D would not.

Also by not releasing a consumer Xeon-D chip for the "more core" consumer niche, Intel would have more capacity to fulfill 14nm server needs.

Why would Intel want to ramp up production on X79 chipsets to sell them at close to cost in hopes that MB manufacturers start making budget versions of X79 motherboards, all so that people can buy cheap data centre CPUs off eBay? The alternative is that budget gamers buy a new chipset and Skylake processor, which moves units for Intel as opposed to second hand eBay sellers.
 

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Here is the letter about the transition of Dalian from 65nm to non-volatile memory:

http://www.intel.com/newsroom/archive/non-volatile_memory_expansion_blog.pdf

We expect initial production of the 3D NAND technology in Dalian in the second half of 2016.
We have a long term plan for this facility and may invest up to $5.5 billion over the coming years
to transition this site
to support leading edge non volatile memory production. The Intel Dalian facility
has been in operation since 2010, producing 65 nanometer products for Intel.

From the way that reads, I would think 65nm will still be active...but at reduced capacity until they complete the transition.
 
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The alternative is that budget gamers buy a new chipset and Skylake processor, which moves units for Intel as opposed to second hand eBay sellers.

Some people are very price sensitive and Console is a much more likely purchase.

So in these low budget cases Intel doesn't actually lose a desktop processor sale.

What happens is Intel gains a sale on a chipset they wouldn't have sold otherwise.

P.S. Core i3 does not serve all low budget needs. In fact, AtenRA found this out comparing Core i3 6300 vs. FX-8150 (using HD7950 @ 1000 Mhz) in Battlefield 4 64 player.





As we can see above even with Mantle the i3 isn't nearly as smooth as the FX-8150.
 

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No new X79 coming anymore than new X58 chipsets. Intel wants it that way. Anybody can't see that? .. keep dreaming..

I doubt everyone at Intel would agree with your statement.

ARM is maturing, Linux is getting more games, SteamOS has an ARM port, and System base system architecture will allow mix and match of ARM processors and OSes like we see with x86.

Furthermore, Intel has done far more desperate things (in other product categories) for "race to the bottom" than what I am proposing. So silently releasing X79 (which can even use FinFet E5 v2 Xeons) is a very cheap and easy way of keeping guard on their enthusiast desktop market.
 

Burpo

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What does intel do? hmmmm, oh wait.. sells CHIPS! Hmmm, if i were intel I'd go back into production on antique chips to help the little guy, so he can use up industry waste, & prevent him from buying our new products. Or, I could just ignore & proceed, full production, making new chips that are selling like hotcakes. Gee, what should I do?
You don't need a business degree to answer that..

Keep dreaming... Click your heels, It'll all come true..

As far as AMD, I hope they've got game with their new chips.. Intel does..
 
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What does intel do? hmmmm, oh wait.. sells CHIPS! Hmmm, if i were intel I'd go back into production on antique chips to help the little guy, so he can use up industry waste, or prevent him from buying our new products.. Makes perfect sense! You don't need a business degree to see that!

Intel has a very lucrative pool of high margin desktop enthusiast chips in the unlocked Core i5, Core i7 and various HEDT processors.

They want to protect this right?

But does Core i3 protect this when games can divide up work to 16 threads or more? Or when even a FX-8150 can beat Core i3 with a humble OC HD7950 for smoothness in Battlefield 4 64 player?

I don't think so.

Therefore they need a low cost way to block the ingress into their high margin area.

ARM eats from the bottom up. And by assisting the recycling of the massive quantities of E5 2600 and E5 2600 v2 they potentially prolong the sales of the enthusiast processors they make the most money on.

P.S. As mentioned in the post I linked, not everyone buys desktops. Most are content with phone and laptop. For gaming the low budget buyer would likely choose a console. So shifting some of those console sales to X79 desktop doesn't even impact new Intel desktop sales (Office workers and other types will use Core i3 despite available of X79 for DIY gamers in US and other countries).
 
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Burpo

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Ok, I give up..

Click your heels.. It'll all come true.. Order me up some X58 chipsets if you can..
 
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Click your heels.. It'll all come true..

It takes more than clicking heels. It takes community support.

Even if you don't like the idea of using E5 2670 (or some other locked Xeon) yourself just think of all the untapped (laptop/phone only) people that could by brought into the PC gaming/enthusiast desktop area that Intel wouldn't have got by ignoring E5 2600 and E5 2600 v2.
 

Burpo

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It takes more than clicking heels. It takes community support.

Even if you don't like the idea of using E5 2670 (or some other locked Xeon) yourself just think of all the untapped (laptop/phone only) people that could by brought into the PC gaming/enthusiast desktop area that Intel wouldn't have got by ignoring E5 2600 and E5 2600 v2.

Why do you think intel wouldn't have gotten the sales? Are you delusional? Intel wants those chips destroyed.. That's how you get to be giant. They want to be in everything! Your car, your phone, your tablet, desktop, w/e..
 
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