Holy ****. Xeon E5-2670s from decommissioned Facebook servers selling for $70 on EBay

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Burpo

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Looks like the biggest complaint is old bios, but AsRock seems to provide excellent support..
 
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Justinbaileyman

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Seems the biggest complaint is old bios, but AsRock seems to provide excellent support..

Do they?? Cause I know nothing about ASRock at all. I have only owned Abit,Asus,Gigabyte and MSI motherboards, well and now my one and only Intel motherboard which seems to be the last Motherboard they plan to ever make so if something happens to this motherboard I am so screwed.but for now its a kick ass mobo "Knock On Wood".I wonder if I would be able to tell the difference going from a single cpu to dual cpu's.My whole reason in the first place for getting this cpu was for media encoding which the performance gains were out of this world.So doubling up CPU's would I feel another huge increase like I did before going to from 760K@4.6 to a E5-2670? Or would I just be wasting more money?I mean I guess I am more then happy with what I now have.:thumbsup:
 

Burpo

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You should be happy for what you've invested, but I can't see going dual procs for some part time editing. I was like you and invested in X58 & Xeon Hexcore. That dropped my render times to a much more acceptable time (1hr vs 14hrs) and I was happy there.. Never even entered my mind to go dual procs. Not for part time dabbling. I'd rather tweak single cpu for max performance.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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Yeah that make sense to me. I suppose I should just cool it on buying stuff. I already blew $600 on upgrades this week for this new build.Still going to need to blow another $50 or so on cooling though cause my water cooler isn't going to cut it.Would it be better to go extreme air? Like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cm_re=phantek_heatsink-_-35-709-011-_-Product
or do you guys have some thoughts for cooling?
 

Denithor

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Is the chip throttling or why exactly do you not think water is going to cut it? Just because it gets hot while running doesn't mean it isn't functioning perfectly and keeping the chip cool enough.
 

ClockHound

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Yeah that make sense to me. I suppose I should just cool it on buying stuff. I already blew $600 on upgrades this week for this new build.Still going to need to blow another $50 or so on cooling though cause my water cooler isn't going to cut it.Would it be better to go extreme air? Like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cm_re=phantek_heatsink-_-35-709-011-_-Product
or do you guys have some thoughts for cooling?

Phanteks PH-TC14. Extreme air? Where I live, that's just normal air. ;-)

The TC14 is a great choice, as is the Noctua D15 and Cryorig R1. On the more extreme side is the TR Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme - and only extreme since its 2500rpm fans are fairly extreme acoustically. Not CLC loud, but getting close.

The top tier air coolers are within a few degrees (or better) of the popular CLC units with five times less noise at much less cost.



Running CLCs at sub 40dB noise levels results in 6-10 degrees hotter temps than a premium air cooler. Those shitty little high fpi aluminum rads require leaf blower force fans to achieve good temps. CLCs, while enjoying fantastic marketing, are not good values for temps vs noise.



The Swiftech 220/240 AIO series and EK Predators are a step up in the temp vs noise ratio, but aren't great values. And reliability issues, as with the Astek-clone CLCs, remain a concern for me.

The key to great cooling with an air cooler is great case air flow. My 5675 at 4.4Ghz peaks at 60c in IBT with a D15 in a modified-for-airflow haf xb. The temp at the cooler intake is 1-2 degrees above ambient (20c) at load. In many cases the intake temp can be 10 degrees above ambient due to restricted intake and convoluted air paths.

A custom water loop can realize great temps with low noise, but the cost/benefit ratio isn't too good. Want to spend another $500+?

If you want to stay under $50, the $47.95 Scythe Ninja 4 and $39.95 Thermalright TS 140a are the best value choices. Ninja 4 review here.
 

Justinbaileyman

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Is the chip throttling or why exactly do you not think water is going to cut it? Just because it gets hot while running doesn't mean it isn't functioning perfectly and keeping the chip cool enough.

Because I am sure a 120MM rad like the Kraken x31 has isnt going to be enough to cool this 8c/16t cpu down enough. Running handbrake with all the cores maxed out makes my radiator very very warm to the touch, almost hot.
If its that hot when touching the radiator then its that hot cooling the cpu and that is just not going to work for me.Pretty sure that kind of heat is going to kill my pump pretty darn fast. So I was thinking of up grading to the Kraken x61 which has a 280mm rad and 2 140mm fans or the phanteks ph-tc14pe. Thats should keep this hellion cool enough to my liking.
 

Socio

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Phanteks PH-TC14. Extreme air? Where I live, that's just normal air. ;-)

The TC14 is a great choice, as is the Noctua D15 and Cryorig R1. On the more extreme side is the TR Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme - and only extreme since its 2500rpm fans are fairly extreme acoustically. Not CLC loud, but getting close.

The top tier air coolers are within a few degrees (or better) of the popular CLC units with five times less noise at much less cost.



Running CLCs at sub 40dB noise levels results in 6-10 degrees hotter temps than a premium air cooler. Those shitty little high fpi aluminum rads require leaf blower force fans to achieve good temps. CLCs, while enjoying fantastic marketing, are not good values for temps vs noise.



The Swiftech 220/240 AIO series and EK Predators are a step up in the temp vs noise ratio, but aren't great values. And reliability issues, as with the Astek-clone CLCs, remain a concern for me.

The key to great cooling with an air cooler is great case air flow. My 5675 at 4.4Ghz peaks at 60c in IBT with a D15 in a modified-for-airflow haf xb. The temp at the cooler intake is 1-2 degrees above ambient (20c) at load. In many cases the intake temp can be 10 degrees above ambient due to restricted intake and convoluted air paths.

A custom water loop can realize great temps with low noise, but the cost/benefit ratio isn't too good. Want to spend another $500+?

If you want to stay under $50, the $47.95 Scythe Ninja 4 and $39.95 Thermalright TS 140a are the best value choices. Ninja 4 review here.

I was all set to go to a CLC setup for a dual E5 2011 processor motherboard until I read this.

I was thinking they would be much quieter and provide better cooling than air cooling.

I like the idea of the Phanteks PH-TC14PE but they are huge no way I could fit two of those on a Asus Z9PE-D8 and in a tower case with a vertically mounted motherboard they must be heavy thus a pair of them would cause a great deal of stress.

I guess I better start researching top air cpu air cooling setups.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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I was all set to go to a CLC setup for a dual E5 2011 processor motherboard until I read this.

I was thinking they would be much quieter and provide better cooling than air cooling.

I like the idea of the Phanteks PH-TC14PE but they are huge no way I could fit two of those on a Asus Z9PE-D8 and in a tower case with a vertically mounted motherboard they must be heavy thus a pair of them would cause a great deal of stress.

I guess I better start researching top air cpu air cooling setups.

I know it!! I am all freaked out to even mount one of those on my cpu. I am afraid its going to crush something and I will end up with a cracked cpu or bent socket pins.I gotta do something though.
 

ClockHound

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I know it!! I am all freaked out to even mount one of those on my cpu. I am afraid its going to crush something and I will end up with a cracked cpu or bent socket pins.I gotta do something though.

Crush? You do know the mounting force of any cooler, not using pushpins, including CLC blocks exceeds the gravitational force on a large air cooler?

You will only get bent pins from improper installation of the chip in the socket. Won't crack the pcb with proper installation - yes, even the thinner Skylake pcbs.

The backplate design of the top tier coolers like Noctua, Phanteks, TR distributes the load across the motherboard such that damage would only occur from kicking the system down a flight of stairs. Multi-layer PCB construction is very strong and can withstand substantial sheer forces.

Proper installation of a big cooler and reasonable handling of the system will result in years of service. I've been using big air coolers for years on dozens of systems, many that were transported with moderate care and never experienced a single board or chip failure.

My first two weeks with a H100 when it leaked, however, was a different, sadder story.
 
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ClockHound

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I was all set to go to a CLC setup for a dual E5 2011 processor motherboard until I read this.

I was thinking they would be much quieter and provide better cooling than air cooling.

I like the idea of the Phanteks PH-TC14PE but they are huge no way I could fit two of those on a Asus Z9PE-D8 and in a tower case with a vertically mounted motherboard they must be heavy thus a pair of them would cause a great deal of stress.

I guess I better start researching top air cpu air cooling setups.

Not much stress actually. The main mass of a big air cooler is in the base. The fins are light weight aluminum. Plus the backplate design of the better coolers distributes the load very effectively.

If you don't have space for twin twin towers, then consider the Ninja 4 or the TS 140a. They are within a few degrees of the TC14 and are less bulky. Especially the TS 140a - at 610 grams, it's a light weight, but with very good performance. TR TS 140A review.

Since you won't be overclocking these octa-core beasts, the Phanteks TC12 would work well, although more $$ than the TS140.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709018

For looks and performance the Cryorig H5 is a great choice too:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4UF30R0134

Another under $50, excellent compact cooler is the Scythe Kotetsu:
http://www.amazon.com/Scythe-SCKTT-1000-Cooling-Motherboard/dp/B00JZCHSOK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457166260&sr=8-1&keywords=scythe+kotetsu - it's the smallest of the top tier compact air coolers.

Kotetsu Review at SPCR - at the time of the review it was in their top 5.
 

Torn Mind

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Not in for one because I don't need one, but I am definitely going HEDT next time I build.
 

Justinbaileyman

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I think either at the end of this month or early next month I am going to pick up a couple X99 motherboards and shelve them for next years Xeon Server Cpu dumps. I just want to be ready ahead of time and not wanting to go through trying to find a good board and getting Price gouged like I did with this x79 motherboard.I see several boards I'de like to choose from at killer prices right now.Any major changes in the x99 vs the x79 platform beside needing ddr4 memory? Do they have 32x Pcie lanes yet or is that still something coming in the future?
 

Raduque

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Alright, so I just got my board. Haven't picked a HSF yet. Had been considering the Arctic Freezer i30 for $36. However, the Cryorig H5 Ultimate for $10 more reviews very well.

Should I just go ahead and drop the $10 extra for the H5? Or is the i30 "good enough" for the price?

Edit: Picked the Freezer i30.
 
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MongGrel

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I know it!! I am all freaked out to even mount one of those on my cpu. I am afraid its going to crush something and I will end up with a cracked cpu or bent socket pins.I gotta do something though.

I rigged up a guy wire system after I glued a copper boss I made for it with music wire and a couple retainers I also made on the HTPC I put together awhile back, I guess just because I still wanted to use the TRUE Copper, with the P6T Deluxe V2 and a X5650. That and added moved a few fans. It used to be in the main.

That old ah heck weighs about 6lbs I think, you can always find ways to stabilize things a bit if you're not just moving them around.

I just wasn't in the mood to retire the thing I guess Used a few things laying around. I still use a D14 on the main.

I guess I have still been leery of even trying a AIO water cooler when you can get similar results off of air, short of a dedicated loop.

 
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ClockHound

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I rigged up a guy wire system after I glued a copper boss I made for it with music wire and a couple retainers I also made on the HTPC I put together awhile back, I guess just because I still wanted to use the TRUE Copper, with the P6T7 V2 ans a X5650. That and added moved a few fans. It used to be in the main.

That old ah heck weighs about 6lbs I think, you can always find ways to stabilize things a bit if you're not just moving them around.

I just wasn't in the mood to retire the thing I guess Used a few things laying around. I still use a D14 on the main.

I guess I have still been leery of even trying a AIO water cooler when you can get similar results off of air, short of a dedicated loop.


That is 6 pounds of awesome!!!

Can I make an aesthetic suggestion?

Yes, ok then. Lose the black plastic TR fan brackets and use svelte ziptie screws to hold the fans. Hiding that much glorious copper behind plastic isn't technically a crime, but why take the chance? ;-)

Might want to migrate that rig into a proper horizontal MB mounting case, like the HAF XB.

And since I'm way past being helpful, maybe consider a pair (or just one) all black Darkside GT PWM fans instead of the Nocs. Attached with ziptie screws, of course.



Ok, I'll stop being helpful now.
 

Socio

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Multi core enhancement just doesn't work. You can't force it to run 3.1g on 8 cores

I believe the V3's can turbo boost all cores, just not at maximum speed, the level drops per number of cores.

For example, if the max turbo boost speed is 3.6ghz you could achieve it with 1-2 cores, but at 8 cores it would be something like 3.3ghz.
 

Justinbaileyman

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Are there any comparisons between say a Skylake 6700K vs a E5-2670? Which would be better in handbrake cause i know 6700K has a much much higher max turbo clock then the E5 specially when overclocking? Starting to second guess this E5 and starting to think maybe I should sell them off and go Skylake.. What do you guys think? I mean there is nothing wrong with my E5's just thinking about the newer instruction sets in the skylake.
 

Burpo

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16 threads vs 8, what do you think? Clock speed's not gonna make that up..
 

Justinbaileyman

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Ok then,I guess I wont be going Skylake then.I just thought maybe that with the newer instruction sets in the skylake it may be faster at encoding and transcoding then the Xeon E5 series.Anyhow Raduque did you try out your new motherboard? Did it end up working or haven't you got to it yet? Also dont know if this is a thing or not but it seems the E5-2670's dont like memory over 1600?? I have a set of G.skill 1866 and 2400 and both auto set to 1600?I tried to manually set them higher and even tried XMP but its the same every time. I even tried updating bios to the newest but no luck. I tried them out in my AMD rig and they test out in perfect working order no errors with the above speeds.Totally Odd!!
 

Raduque

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I don't have my HSF yet. Everything else is installed and ready to go though.
 
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