Exactly, 100% what I was getting at. Other things kill us more, do more harm to society, and no one cares. But then guns are held to a different standard. The anti-gun left isn't about saving lives, its about getting votes and stirring the pot.
... not really, no.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
32k deaths from falls
33k deaths from motor vehicle traffic accidents
42k from unintentional poisonings
Hell, let's just go for broke.
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics
Anyone who complains about gun ownership, yet has no issue with drinking, smoking (even 'responsibly'), or not maintaining health via diet/exercise is being entirely hypocritical. I state this as both a gun owner, and someone who enjoys alcohol.
... not really, no.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
32k deaths from falls
33k deaths from motor vehicle traffic accidents
42k from unintentional poisonings
Hell, let's just go for broke.
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics
Anyone who complains about gun ownership, yet has no issue with drinking, smoking (even 'responsibly'), or not maintaining health via diet/exercise is being entirely hypocritical. I state this as both a gun owner, and someone who enjoys alcohol.
To be fair about this, there's some after votes/stirring the pot, but there's probably just as many democrats 'scared up' about the vile gun ownership 'issue' as there are republicans 'scared up' about the vile rapist immigration 'issue'. Most people who oppose $thing do not have much experience with that $thing, and so they're afraid due to ignorance and what they've been told.Exactly, 100% what I was getting at. Other things kill us more, do more harm to society, and no one cares. But then guns are held to a different standard. The anti-gun left isn't about saving lives, its about getting votes and stirring the pot.
To be fair about this, there's some after votes/stirring the pot, but there's probably just as many democrats 'scared up' about the vile gun ownership 'issue' as there are republicans 'scared up' about the vile rapist immigration 'issue'. Most people who oppose $thing do not have much experience with that $thing, and so they're afraid due to ignorance and what they've been told.
I don't disagree, but how do you enforce this kind of thing without impinging on a constitutional right? We can dictate how people utilize their vehicles via licensing, inspections, etc. Any such requirements on gun ownership instantly become an exclusion for those who cannot maintain it, thus the govt preventing them from owning a gun, which is constitutionally guaranteed. Hell, by the letter of the constitution, even the felony restriction from gun ownership is probably unconstitutional, but who wants to defend a felon I guess.And I would like to put a dent in those numbers as well. Again, I am not saying you should not own guns. But seriously, limit the wanton damage.
Like operating a home care and having loaded gun reachable by toddlers and not locked away.
Like pills and chemicals, if you are going to have toddlers around, lock those things away!
I don't disagree, but how do you enforce this kind of thing without impinging on a constitutional right? We can dictate how people utilize their vehicles via licensing, inspections, etc. Any such requirements on gun ownership instantly become an exclusion for those who cannot maintain it, thus the govt preventing them from owning a gun, which is constitutionally guaranteed. Hell, by the letter of the constitution, even the felony restriction from gun ownership is probably unconstitutional, but who wants to defend a felon I guess.
I did state earlier in this thread that I wish we had mandatory training, drills, and physical fitness requirements for local militias in order to fulfill the requirement by the constitution, to get around the issue (gun ownership requires militia membership, which has xyz requirements).
During the presidential election cycle I received numerous calls from the GOP warning me about the perils of dangerous immigrants shooting me in the face if I elected Hillary. Their scare tactics are a real turn off to me and all I could do is block each and every number they called me from. On a side note Ivanka has a very sexy phone voice.To be fair about this, there's some after votes/stirring the pot, but there's probably just as many democrats 'scared up' about the vile gun ownership 'issue' as there are republicans 'scared up' about the vile rapist immigration 'issue'. Most people who oppose $thing do not have much experience with that $thing, and so they're afraid due to ignorance and what they've been told.
I thought fingerprint gun lock integration exists now? Anything is better than what is happening now.
But how do you enforce that? There are already laws today on the books making it mandatory that loaded guns cannot get into the hands of children. In this case neither the law nor common sense was followed. More laws, more restriction won't help here.
lol, how about 250,000 deaths per year from hospital errors?73k accidental gun injury and 33k death due to injury by firearms is not a big enough dent on General Wellness?
I am not talking about taking away guns, rather limit their wanton damage.
Ah the old literacy test to vote. Tell you what if you can get a 100% in 10 minutes with me grading and we'll consider your voting idea.
lol, how about 250,000 deaths per year from hospital errors?
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ertificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors
"Based on an analysis of prior research, the Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors. " Let's ban hospitals and doctors now.
Pointing your finger to something generally being ignored *is* doing something about it, it's raising awareness so those with the means can affect change. It's literally how every major change in history has started, with someone pointing it out.So do something about it. Just pointing your finger at it to avoid any change to status quo is insanity.
I'm just trying to limit wanton damage from Doctors, nurses and hospital workers.So do something about it. Just pointing your finger at it to avoid any change to status quo is insanity.
Pointing your finger to something generally being ignored *is* doing something about it, it's raising awareness so those with the means can affect change. It's literally how every major change in history has started, with someone pointing it out.
Yes, smoking has been taxed into oblivion since real information has come out regarding the health effects of their usage, and mandatory labeling was introduced to the packaging.What has been done about all these issues affecting general wellness of the population? Has there been measurable imprpvements?
Take healthcare, Americans are outspending everyone else yet have lower life expectancy.
Biggest problem you guys have is precisely the notion of the state shall not tell me what to do with anything.
Yes, smoking has been taxed into oblivion since real information has come out regarding the health effects of their usage, and mandatory labeling was introduced to the packaging.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/tables/trends/cig_smoking/index.htm
In 1965, as much as 42.4% of HS -> adult aged Americans smoked at least one cigarette within 30 days of the survey. In 2014, that number is under 17%.
Yes, we spend WAY more on healthcare than other nations, you can thank American drug and medical supply companies for that. We also have lousy life expectancy, you can blame poor eating habits (reinforced by poor health guidance, thanks to a) food supply companies, b) lack of govt oversight, and c) lobbyists infesting DC) and a mostly sedentary existence.
We can be free to do as we please with our bodies, without govt intervention, HOWEVER that needs to be tempered with knowledge. Most people won't destroy themselves if they understand what it's going to do, hence the reduction in smoking as information came out. When you have organizations and people actively attempting to draw money out for themselves, sacrificing the health of Americans in the process, that's where you cross into guillotine territory for me.
Anti-vaxxers are a tiny, tiny part of the herd that can easily be segregated. Estimated 30% of the US population owns a gun, that's a damn big part of the 'herd'.Take the anti vaxxers. I don't think they should be allowed to intermingle with general population. You choose to not be part of the herd, get away from the herd.
Again, most people didn't 'agree' to this. There's so much shit that happens behind closed doors in the US govt, or gets twisted by the time it gets out. How about the fact we put HFCS in *everything* to include goddamn catfood and fruit juice, because of corn subsidies? You have to make sure you understand that saying 'americans voted this in' does us shit-all good when it comes in as riders on govt funding bills that cannot be rejected because you end up with a complete govt stoppage otherwise. *I* didn't vote on food policies in the US, none of us did, we voted in someone that was trusted to be competent (or possibly completely unknown aside from R or D), and they got bought, that's all there is to it. Also bear in mind most of these decisions were made decades ago. The food pyramid was developed in 1972 and has probably done more damaged to American health than all the guns, alcohol, co2, and nicotine combined.Diabetes crisis is entirely preventable, but US chose to let legislators cover food industry instead of regulating them properly. That is a choice you guys made, maybe you should work on regulating that?
Yep, ounce prevention is worth a pound of correction, but we're already in the shit. There's no 'preventing' the catastrophe of gun violence, toddler shootings, obesity, drunk driving, smoking, or global warming. We're in the thick of it, and the best we can do is roll back as much as we can, where we can. Heavy taxation (and thus financial 'encouragement') of certain vices is a solid starting point, maybe after education.It's not like people haven't beem drawing attention to that, but prevention works a lot better than preaching and information campaigns.
This is not unique to USA, but you guys just have it worse than most other places.
Well you're right. It doesn't have to be a literacy test. Just as long as someone reliable gets to choose who can vote. Right?When did I request a literacy test to vote? Link please.
A cost, not the cost. There's more costs, and more benefits as well.The literal cost of a strict reading of the second amendment is dead children. So far America thinks that cost is acceptable. Until that changes there is not much that can be done.
The literal cost of a strict reading of the second amendment is dead children. So far America thinks that cost is acceptable. Until that changes there is not much that can be done.
A cost, not the cost. There's more costs, and more benefits as well.
The same can be said about the freedom to own skateboards and bicycles. Should we outlaw anything that can harm children?