home defense

[alkemyst]

Fox Labs 5.3 spray in your choice of size, cone / fog pattern.

The Kimber Lifeact is decent too, but 2 shots only and $40.

Keep in mind you will have to flee the scene usually and get help...a BB gun will definitely not be effective. I had high powered ones as a kid and even if 'one pump' that is a hell of a long time.

The guns we had were capable of going straight through my hand at about 30-50yards away.

If you are reasonably fit, a good bat/baton/etc is decent. Most probably will not be packing a firearm for a B&E as the prison sentence goes way up...that said some will and bringing a bat to a gun fight is a losing move 9 times out of 10.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Mutilator
Probably not but it would really piss them off. And absolutely - even the biggest crackhead will go down if you taze them. How you keep them down until police arrive is the question.

stance of dominance?

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Mutilator
Probably not but it would really piss them off. And absolutely - even the biggest crackhead will go down if you taze them. How you keep them down until police arrive is the question.

stance of dominance?

Stance of Dominance + BB gun = real gun?

 

[spidey07]

I'd go with taser or knife. Or move to a free state.

The taser is to knock him down, the knife to make sure he's dead. Basically if they are in your home you are free to kill them. Check with your state laws though which points more to the "move to a free state" option.

-edit-
And second getting a shotgun.

 

[rudder]

I doubt someone who has been smoking meth for the last 4 or 5 days would even feel a BB shot.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
go with the large can of bear spray
http://www.rei.com/product/722...sJSLzpwCFVRM5Qod_WnkKw

:shocked:

 

[Mermaidman]

Has anyone used a fake dog alarm, and what do you think?

Like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Electron...f=cm_cr_pr_product_top

It might work well if I also buy a doghouse and dog dish to simulate a real dog!

 

[Spoooon]

Mace peppergel? I think it would suck to get blasted in the face with that. I think you'd be better off with mace or pepper spray over a BB gun.

 

[jtvang125]

Originally posted by: rudder
I doubt someone who has been smoking meth for the last 4 or 5 days would even feel a BB shot.

I don't think the OP intends to shoot the person with it but to create fear in the person because they think it's a real gun. Problem is if that person has a real gun and pulls on you you're fvcked.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Has anyone used a fake dog alarm, and what do you think?

Like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Electron...f=cm_cr_pr_product_top

It might work well if I also buy a doghouse and dog dish to simulate a real dog!

that's a pretty cool idea... also maybe a sign announcing that there are firearms inside (even though there aren't) might be a good deterrent as well

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: oogabooga

Originally posted by: FoBoT
go with the large can of bear spray
http://www.rei.com/product/722...sJSLzpwCFVRM5Qod_WnkKw

:shocked:

I have bear spray. For the bears.

 

[Alex C]

You can buy a shotgun in New York without a permit. You just fill out the background check form (10 minutes tops), give the guy your money, and then take your gun and leave. You can even skip the background check part if you buy it from a private seller. Unless you live in NYC, then you've got to jump through the hoops and get a permit.

If I were you, I'd invest in better locks for the doors and windows and pick up a machete. They're more intuitive to use than swords, they're shorter and better suited to inside work, they've got better reach than a knife, and even a single hit can be pretty debilitating.

 

[SP33Demon]

Oh btw, regarding Taser guns:

Taser devices are not considered firearms by the U.S. government.[39] They can be legally carried (concealed or open) without a permit in 43 states. They are prohibited for citizen use in the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin, as well as certain cities and counties. Their use in Connecticut and Illinois is legal with restrictions.[40]

Basically you can carry them anywhere.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Taser? Dog?

Dogs are pretty good but not for me anymore. Way too much work with 3 kids too.

A large dog is, bar none, the best home invasion deterrent; and the purpose of children is to take care of them.

But for your question, excluding dogs, I'd say taser, bear spray and/or baseball bat.

 

[slightlyhuman]

i have a 12-gauge behind my door(loaded) and a 40 under my bed.

of course i live in arkansas though

get a small gun. BB guns would just piss someone off.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Has anyone used a fake dog alarm, and what do you think?

Like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Electron...f=cm_cr_pr_product_top

It might work well if I also buy a doghouse and dog dish to simulate a real dog!

that's a pretty cool idea... also maybe a sign announcing that there are firearms inside (even though there aren't) might be a good deterrent as well

NRA sticker.

 

[Mide]

Shotgun

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: jtvang125

Originally posted by: rudder
I doubt someone who has been smoking meth for the last 4 or 5 days would even feel a BB shot.

I don't think the OP intends to shoot the person with it but to create fear in the person because they think it's a real gun. Problem is if that person has a real gun and pulls on you you're fvcked.

Sawed off shotgun for effect. Load it with rock salt shells so as to not kill anyone. The boomstick will probably even scare away meth heads.

 

[lxskllr]

A BB gun will only work as a distraction, and you'd better have a decent weapon to follow through with; perhaps a good sword...

 

[Auggie]

Just the sight of a gun won't be enough to discourage all criminals who break and enter when they know someone is home. Gang members and most hardened criminals have survived stabbings and being shot. Interviews with inmates suggests that brandishing a weapon sometimes doesn't act as a deterrence. The odds of dying from a pistol shot are about 20% depending on who you talk to - the criminals know this, and they also know that the 20% number is much higher than reality because it assumes you'll even land a shot on them in the first place.... so don't think that the mere sight of a gun is terrific defense.

The whole idea of using firearms for home and self-defense revolves (ha!) around the idea of sudden and overwhelming force. You pull your weapon only after you've identified a threat, and before the danger can hurt you, you end the threat. Raising the stakes of a self-defense scenario as high as they can possibly go by brandishing what the other person thinks is a lethal weapon is just a very, very bad idea unless you're actually going to be able to deliver on your threat immediately.

The only exception to this is if you are in another room that you can secure and are out of sight from the attacker, in which case an audible sound of a gun's action, an announcement that you are aware of their presence, are armed and are calling the police and that they should take what they want and leave often does have the desired effect, at least in Texas.

 

[Raduque]

I have a Crossman .177 caliber hunting pellet gun that does somewhere on the order of 900fps using CO2 cartridges - that's very close to typical 9mm velocities. It's modeled after a Colt Anaconda .357 and looks very menacing, especially with the scope I mounted on it (it has no orange or clear parts to alert people it's not a real firearm at first glance). It's far from being a toy and I wouldn't want to be shot with it. I used to use it to kill opossums that would get into the outdoor cat's food.

That being said, I seriously doubt it would be any good in a home defense situation, unless maybe I had it right up against skin. I'd rather have a simple pump 12ga. That distinctive noise they make is probably enough on it's own to deter somebody.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Mutilator
Probably not but it would really piss them off. And absolutely - even the biggest crackhead will go down if you taze them. How you keep them down until police arrive is the question.

stance of dominance?

Stance of Dominance + BB gun = real gun?

Only in the OP's mind...


When I was a kid, we used to have bb-gun wars. I had to have a few dug out over the years, but most just leave welts...not much worse than a bee-sting...especially if you're wearing "heavy" clothing like jeans or almost any jacket.

From some of his other posts, I doubt the OP is aggressive enough to get away with a baton or baseball bat...he'd just get those taken away and "put where the sun doesn't shine," and I don't mean the closet...

Then again, does he have what it takes to actually SHOOT an intruder? Many people don't. They THINK they can...but when it gets down to it...they just can't pull the trigger. It's a pretty final decision.
That being said, IMO, for home defense, a good 12 gauge shotgun fills the bill very nicely.
Even if the person is scared, it's pretty much a "point and shoot" weapon, and even if the aim is off by just a bit, you're sending a large cloud of lead shot at the intruder instead of a single bullet. Great for clearing hallways.

 

[MrDudeMan]

I know this isn't really on topic, but dogs are not a lot of work even with kids. They are essentially one of your best home defense options next to a shotgun. Using a BB gun would be beyond stupid. Sorry but it's true.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Raduque
I have a Crossman .177 caliber hunting pellet gun that does somewhere on the order of 900fps using CO2 cartridges - that's very close to typical 9mm velocities. It's modeled after a Colt Anaconda .357 and looks very menacing, especially with the scope I mounted on it (it has no orange or clear parts to alert people it's not a real firearm at first glance). It's far from being a toy and I wouldn't want to be shot with it. I used to use it to kill opossums that would get into the outdoor cat's food.

That being said, I seriously doubt it would be any good in a home defense situation, unless maybe I had it right up against skin. I'd rather have a simple pump 12ga. That distinctive noise they make is probably enough on it's own to deter somebody.

The problem with that .177 caliber is that you're pushing a pellet with a weight of 8-15 grains (7,000 grains=1 lb). By comparison, a 9mm bullet is between 115-147 grains and travelling at over 1,000fps. The .177 pellet just isn't going to do much damage. It would be more of an annoyance than anything.

You would have to be EXTREMELY lucky to kill someone with a pellet gun and most of the CO2 handguns you'd find at sporting goods stores are probably only pushing that tiny projectile between 250-400fps.

I sure as hell wouldn't use one for home defense.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Mutilator
Probably not but it would really piss them off. And absolutely - even the biggest crackhead will go down if you taze them. How you keep them down until police arrive is the question.

stance of dominance?

Stance of Dominance + BB gun = real gun?

Only in the OP's mind...


When I was a kid, we used to have bb-gun wars. I had to have a few dug out over the years, but most just leave welts...not much worse than a bee-sting...especially if you're wearing "heavy" clothing like jeans or almost any jacket.

From some of his other posts, I doubt the OP is aggressive enough to get away with a baton or baseball bat...he'd just get those taken away and "put where the sun doesn't shine," and I don't mean the closet...

Then again, does he have what it takes to actually SHOOT an intruder? Many people don't. They THINK they can...but when it gets down to it...they just can't pull the trigger. It's a pretty final decision.
That being said, IMO, for home defense, a good 12 gauge shotgun fills the bill very nicely.
Even if the person is scared, it's pretty much a "point and shoot" weapon, and even if the aim is off by just a bit, you're sending a large cloud of lead shot at the intruder instead of a single bullet. Great for clearing hallways.

The spread of 1 round of '00 buck at 15 yard will only be about 10 inches. Not exactly "hallway clearing" IMO.