home defense

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


The spread of 1 round of '00 buck at 15 yard will only be about 10 inches. Not exactly "hallway clearing" IMO.

I've never done it, but I imaging a barrel mod wouldn't be difficult on a shotgun. Saw it off a little shorter, and then hammer it a little flat(a side by ellipses).

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Mutilator
Probably not but it would really piss them off. And absolutely - even the biggest crackhead will go down if you taze them. How you keep them down until police arrive is the question.

stance of dominance?

Stance of Dominance + BB gun = real gun?

Only in the OP's mind...


When I was a kid, we used to have bb-gun wars. I had to have a few dug out over the years, but most just leave welts...not much worse than a bee-sting...especially if you're wearing "heavy" clothing like jeans or almost any jacket.

From some of his other posts, I doubt the OP is aggressive enough to get away with a baton or baseball bat...he'd just get those taken away and "put where the sun doesn't shine," and I don't mean the closet...

Then again, does he have what it takes to actually SHOOT an intruder? Many people don't. They THINK they can...but when it gets down to it...they just can't pull the trigger. It's a pretty final decision.
That being said, IMO, for home defense, a good 12 gauge shotgun fills the bill very nicely.
Even if the person is scared, it's pretty much a "point and shoot" weapon, and even if the aim is off by just a bit, you're sending a large cloud of lead shot at the intruder instead of a single bullet. Great for clearing hallways.

The spread of 1 round of '00 buck at 15 yard will only be about 10 inches. Not exactly "hallway clearing" IMO.

BUT, a 10" spread of 00 down a hallway is far more "efficient" than a single 9mm...or even a magazine full. Especially if you also empty the magazine of the shotgun...You CAN clear a hallway... It's not about a single round encompassing the entire hallway...but the spread and pattern ability. You don't have to aim quite as well...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


The spread of 1 round of '00 buck at 15 yard will only be about 10 inches. Not exactly "hallway clearing" IMO.

I've never done it, but I imaging a barrel mod wouldn't be difficult on a shotgun. Saw it off a little shorter, and then hammer it a little flat(a side by ellipses).

That's defeating the purpose of shotgun defense rounds however. You want a pretty small spread so that the shot totally incapacitates anybody.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Mutilator
Probably not but it would really piss them off. And absolutely - even the biggest crackhead will go down if you taze them. How you keep them down until police arrive is the question.

stance of dominance?

Stance of Dominance + BB gun = real gun?

Only in the OP's mind...


When I was a kid, we used to have bb-gun wars. I had to have a few dug out over the years, but most just leave welts...not much worse than a bee-sting...especially if you're wearing "heavy" clothing like jeans or almost any jacket.

From some of his other posts, I doubt the OP is aggressive enough to get away with a baton or baseball bat...he'd just get those taken away and "put where the sun doesn't shine," and I don't mean the closet...

Then again, does he have what it takes to actually SHOOT an intruder? Many people don't. They THINK they can...but when it gets down to it...they just can't pull the trigger. It's a pretty final decision.
That being said, IMO, for home defense, a good 12 gauge shotgun fills the bill very nicely.
Even if the person is scared, it's pretty much a "point and shoot" weapon, and even if the aim is off by just a bit, you're sending a large cloud of lead shot at the intruder instead of a single bullet. Great for clearing hallways.

The spread of 1 round of '00 buck at 15 yard will only be about 10 inches. Not exactly "hallway clearing" IMO.

BUT, a 10" spread of 00 down a hallway is far more "efficient" than a single 9mm...or even a magazine full. Especially if you also empty the magazine of the shotgun...You CAN clear a hallway... It's not about a single round encompassing the entire hallway...but the spread and pattern ability. You don't have to aim quite as well...

I'm not in the habit of leaving loaded shotguns around my house (and I own 3 shotguns). I keep a ParaOrdnance .45 hidden away on a top shelf in my closet with a loaded magazine in it. It is much easier to grab if needed, just rack the slide and it is ready to go. Followup shots are also easier. A shotgun is just a bit too unwieldy IMO.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Oh btw, regarding Taser guns:

Taser devices are not considered firearms by the U.S. government.[39] They can be legally carried (concealed or open) without a permit in 43 states. They are prohibited for citizen use in the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin, as well as certain cities and counties. Their use in Connecticut and Illinois is legal with restrictions.[40]

Basically you can carry them anywhere.

Thanks for saving me the time. OP is in NY. Tasers are *illegal.* And, NY isn't Texas - taser a burglar and you're just as likely to end up down at the police station, depending on your local authorities & particular officers arresting you. Plus, you open yourself up to a lawsuit from the criminal, since you used an illegal weapon against him.

OP, unless you're in NYC, you can stroll on down to your local wal-mart & pick up a shotgun. Take your driver's license with you. $200 and you can be in and out the door in 10 minutes. You'll have to purchase the ammo on a 2nd visit. (You can lock the shotgun in the trunk, then go back in to the store.) I'd recommend getting shot shells, not slugs. A load for turkeys would probably be sufficient. In the incredibly unlikely case that you actually had to use it, it'll be less lethal (but with stopping power); however, you also don't have to worry about a slug going through your wall & a neighbor's wall. Don't get magnum loads - the kick from the gun would make it harder to control for a follow-up shot.

And, get a big box of shells. Go out to the woods with a big piece of cardboard & practice shooting the gun, loading the gun, unloading the gun, etc.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: rh71
I'm thinking most home invaders in suburbia are small timers just looking for cash and would run if threatened. Would something non-lethal be a bad idea? It's not like they could tell right away.

Or, if a small timer/drug user/whatever gets shot in the face with a BB gun, you might just piss them off to the point of wanting revenge.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Oh btw, regarding Taser guns:

Taser devices are not considered firearms by the U.S. government.[39] They can be legally carried (concealed or open) without a permit in 43 states. They are prohibited for citizen use in the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin, as well as certain cities and counties. Their use in Connecticut and Illinois is legal with restrictions.[40]

Basically you can carry them anywhere.

Thanks for saving me the time. OP is in NY. Tasers are *illegal.* And, NY isn't Texas - taser a burglar and you're just as likely to end up down at the police station, depending on your local authorities & particular officers arresting you. Plus, you open yourself up to a lawsuit from the criminal, since you used an illegal weapon against him.

OP, unless you're in NYC, you can stroll on down to your local wal-mart & pick up a shotgun. Take your driver's license with you. $200 and you can be in and out the door in 10 minutes. You'll have to purchase the ammo on a 2nd visit. (You can lock the shotgun in the trunk, then go back in to the store.) I'd recommend getting shot shells, not slugs. A load for turkeys would probably be sufficient. In the incredibly unlikely case that you actually had to use it, it'll be less lethal (but with stopping power); however, you also don't have to worry about a slug going through your wall & a neighbor's wall. Don't get magnum loads - the kick from the gun would make it harder to control for a follow-up shot.

And, get a big box of shells. Go out to the woods with a big piece of cardboard & practice shooting the gun, loading the gun, unloading the gun, etc.

What he said, but buckshot instead of turkey shot. Guns are meant to kill, don't bother if you're not prepared to do that.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Oh btw, regarding Taser guns:

Taser devices are not considered firearms by the U.S. government.[39] They can be legally carried (concealed or open) without a permit in 43 states. They are prohibited for citizen use in the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin, as well as certain cities and counties. Their use in Connecticut and Illinois is legal with restrictions.[40]

Basically you can carry them anywhere.

Thanks for saving me the time. OP is in NY. Tasers are *illegal.* And, NY isn't Texas - taser a burglar and you're just as likely to end up down at the police station, depending on your local authorities & particular officers arresting you. Plus, you open yourself up to a lawsuit from the criminal, since you used an illegal weapon against him.

OP, unless you're in NYC, you can stroll on down to your local wal-mart & pick up a shotgun. Take your driver's license with you. $200 and you can be in and out the door in 10 minutes. You'll have to purchase the ammo on a 2nd visit. (You can lock the shotgun in the trunk, then go back in to the store.) I'd recommend getting shot shells, not slugs. A load for turkeys would probably be sufficient. In the incredibly unlikely case that you actually had to use it, it'll be less lethal (but with stopping power); however, you also don't have to worry about a slug going through your wall & a neighbor's wall. Don't get magnum loads - the kick from the gun would make it harder to control for a follow-up shot.

And, get a big box of shells. Go out to the woods with a big piece of cardboard & practice shooting the gun, loading the gun, unloading the gun, etc.

Sorry to hear that you live in one of the seven communist states listed. For all other states the X3 Taser is probably the best defense you can buy ($1800 though). Rechargable cartridges > bullets

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

The problem with that .177 caliber is that you're pushing a pellet with a weight of 8-15 grains (7,000 grains=1 lb). By comparison, a 9mm bullet is between 115-147 grains and travelling at over 1,000fps. The .177 pellet just isn't going to do much damage. It would be more of an annoyance than anything.

You would have to be EXTREMELY lucky to kill someone with a pellet gun and most of the CO2 handguns you'd find at sporting goods stores are probably only pushing that tiny projectile between 250-400fps.

I sure as hell wouldn't use one for home defense.

That's why I said I doubt it'd be any good for home defense. It does a number on opossums and raccoons with hollowpoint hunting pellets, though.

 

[Baked]

Vicious children work best. Train them to maul the face of strangers.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: TallBill
What he said, but buckshot instead of turkey shot. Guns are meant to kill, don't bother if you're not prepared to do that.

We were talking about picking it up at Wal-mart though. Much harder to purchase buckshot around here; at least I haven't noticed it in stores. There's simply no market for it - it's not used for hunting here, so it's more of a specialty item. Turkey shot is plenty deadly - check out the statistics for the number of turkey hunters killed when mistakenly identified as a turkey. It definitely would stop someone in their tracks.


Also, someone above suggested cutting off the barrel on the shotgun or modifying the choke into an elliptical shape. The former is a felony (if you shorten it beyond 18"; and I'm not sure that in NY, any modification of shortening the barrel is illegal). The latter is a good way to seriously hurt yourself. There's a hell of a lot of pressure in those barrels. You don't want to screw it up & end up with a barrel bursting.

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Mutilator
Probably not but it would really piss them off. And absolutely - even the biggest crackhead will go down if you taze them. How you keep them down until police arrive is the question.

stance of dominance?

Stance of Dominance + BB gun = real gun?

Only in the OP's mind...


When I was a kid, we used to have bb-gun wars. I had to have a few dug out over the years, but most just leave welts...not much worse than a bee-sting...especially if you're wearing "heavy" clothing like jeans or almost any jacket.

From some of his other posts, I doubt the OP is aggressive enough to get away with a baton or baseball bat...he'd just get those taken away and "put where the sun doesn't shine," and I don't mean the closet...

Then again, does he have what it takes to actually SHOOT an intruder? Many people don't. They THINK they can...but when it gets down to it...they just can't pull the trigger. It's a pretty final decision.
That being said, IMO, for home defense, a good 12 gauge shotgun fills the bill very nicely.
Even if the person is scared, it's pretty much a "point and shoot" weapon, and even if the aim is off by just a bit, you're sending a large cloud of lead shot at the intruder instead of a single bullet. Great for clearing hallways.

I thought me and my friends were the only ones stupid enough to do BB gun wars


GD that shit was fun.... and painful at the same time

We used to ride our bikes around and do it from the bikes too, nothing worse than getting nailed in the knuckle or face with a BB gun while trying to steer your bike down a dirt path

 

[Modelworks]

My brother still has a pellet gun we had as kids. It is a pistol that would be extremely easy to mistake for a real handgun, all black and made of metal. Not sure they even still sell them.


Appears they do still sell them. $23
http://www.acehardwaresupersto...on-p-70090.html?ref=42

 

[thecrecarc]

I don't know about you, but if I saw this, I am going to get the hell away, airsoft gun or not.

You can get some pretty freaking realistic airsoft guns.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
I don't know about you, but if I saw this, I am going to get the hell away, airsoft gun or not.

You can get some pretty freaking realistic airsoft guns.

reminds me of this:

"So. You're obviously the big dick, and layin' either side of ya are your balls. There are two types of balls. Big brave balls, and little mincey lovely human balls." (Masked Man 2) - "These are your last words, so make 'em a prayer" (Bullet Tooth Tony) - "Now dicks have drive and clarity of vision, but they're not clever. They smell pussy, and they want a piece of the action. And you thought you smelled some good old pussy. And have brought your two little mincey lovely human balls along for a good old time. But you got your parties muddled up. No pussy here. Just a dose that'll make you wish you were born a woman. Like a prick, your havin second thoughts. You're shrinkin', and your two little balls are shrinkin' with ya. And the fact that you've got REPLICA written down the side of your gun, and the fact that I've got DESERT EAGLE POINT FIVE OH written on the side of mine, should precipitate your balls into shrinkin' along with your presence. Now...Fuck off.

 

[BurnItDwn]

If you can't have Smith and Wesson, then I think you should look at Fiskars.
This little 23.5 inch splitting axeis light enough that you could use it like a hatchet, but gives you a bit more reach, and LOTS of great control if you use 2 hands. Also, scissors are dangerous! Fiskars makes them too.

Also, even though they suck for defense, I would argue that a chainsaw is even more scary sounding then a pump action shotgun. So, maybe get yourself a nice meaty chainsaw ....

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
If you can't have Smith and Wesson, then I think you should look at Fiskars.
This little 23.5 inch splitting axeis light enough that you could use it like a hatchet, but gives you a bit more reach, and LOTS of great control if you use 2 hands. Also, scissors are dangerous! Fiskars makes them too.

Also, even though they suck for defense, I would argue that a chainsaw is even more scary sounding then a pump action shotgun. So, maybe get yourself a nice meaty chainsaw ....

Ever try to start a chainsaw in the heat of battle? Or when you hear someone kick in your front door? And what happens when it stalls? Maybe the intruder will wait while you try to restart it.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
If you can't have Smith and Wesson, then I think you should look at Fiskars.
This little 23.5 inch splitting axeis light enough that you could use it like a hatchet, but gives you a bit more reach, and LOTS of great control if you use 2 hands. Also, scissors are dangerous! Fiskars makes them too.

Also, even though they suck for defense, I would argue that a chainsaw is even more scary sounding then a pump action shotgun. So, maybe get yourself a nice meaty chainsaw ....

Ever try to start a chainsaw in the heat of battle? Or when you hear someone kick in your front door? And what happens when it stalls? Maybe the intruder will wait while you try to restart it.

The chainsaw was mostly in jest, I even said outright "even though they suck for defense" .... Now, a hatchet or axe on the other hand, would be my non-firearm weapon of choice. But, I'll stick to my S&W 357 mag

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Crossbow or GTFO.

This is what I was thinking. Those can cause serious damage and reload somewhat quickly while your target is still screaming obscenities, provided that you aren't in arms reach when you fire it. Melee weapons work too whether they be the bludgeoning type (baseball bat/cast iron skillet) or the slicing/stabby kind (knife/sword/mase).

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Taser? Dog?

Or a dog that shoots taser darts when he barks?

Get genes from a porcupine, electric eel, and a spitting cobra. You'll be in pretty good shape then.

 

[lyssword]

a rocket launcher

 

[BabaBooey]

Paint ball gun with pepper balls and a big knife.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
If you can't have Smith and Wesson, then I think you should look at Fiskars.
This little 23.5 inch splitting axeis light enough that you could use it like a hatchet, but gives you a bit more reach, and LOTS of great control if you use 2 hands. Also, scissors are dangerous! Fiskars makes them too.

Also, even though they suck for defense, I would argue that a chainsaw is even more scary sounding then a pump action shotgun. So, maybe get yourself a nice meaty chainsaw ....

Ever try to start a chainsaw in the heat of battle? Or when you hear someone kick in your front door? And what happens when it stalls? Maybe the intruder will wait while you try to restart it.

The chainsaw was mostly in jest, I even said outright "even though they suck for defense" .... Now, a hatchet or axe on the other hand, would be my non-firearm weapon of choice. But, I'll stick to my S&W 357 mag

Did you miss the smiley at the end of my post?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
If you can't have Smith and Wesson, then I think you should look at Fiskars.
This little 23.5 inch splitting axeis light enough that you could use it like a hatchet, but gives you a bit more reach, and LOTS of great control if you use 2 hands. Also, scissors are dangerous! Fiskars makes them too.

Also, even though they suck for defense, I would argue that a chainsaw is even more scary sounding then a pump action shotgun. So, maybe get yourself a nice meaty chainsaw ....

Ever try to start a chainsaw in the heat of battle? Or when you hear someone kick in your front door? And what happens when it stalls? Maybe the intruder will wait while you try to restart it.

The chainsaw was mostly in jest, I even said outright "even though they suck for defense" .... Now, a hatchet or axe on the other hand, would be my non-firearm weapon of choice. But, I'll stick to my S&W 357 mag

Did you miss the smiley at the end of my post?

GAH! I Am sailing on the failboat again! ABORT ABORT!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[l0cke]

If you just want to scare them away get a blank firing gun.

But seriously, just get a real gun.