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master_shake_

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Fiberglass is some nasty shit. I never understood why it doesn't seem to have any popular reputation for being hazardous.

A couple of decades ago, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), a medical wing of the Department of Labor, made an alarming discovery regarding man made mineral fibers (fiberglass). They determined that the fibers created DNA damage, which leads to chronic illness and is carcinogenic.

An anti-regulatory Congress that encouraged the rapid rise of biotech industries, such as Monsanto, threatened to abolish NIOSH around that time. Meanwhile, the large suppliers of fiberglass insulation claim they've done their own research.

They publicly assert all is well and reports to the contrary are based on faulty research. The foxes are in the hen house.
oh congress
 

fstime

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Jan 18, 2004
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What if it's all a scam. They make up all these new health regulations to give people an excuse to tear stuff down and rebuild. It's all about keeping money circulating. In a few years, PVC will be found to cause cancer and we will all need to replace all our plumbing.

New regulations mean more general construction and rebuilding and new building codes for cities to collect permit fees on.

All I know is, take a look at a house with asbestos siding. It could have been painted 40 years ago and it still looks like new.
 

Red Squirrel

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What if it's all a scam. They make up all these new health regulations to give people an excuse to tear stuff down and rebuild. It's all about keeping money circulating. In a few years, PVC will be found to cause cancer and we will all need to replace all our plumbing.

New regulations mean more general construction and rebuilding and new building codes for cities to collect permit fees on.

All I know is, take a look at a house with asbestos siding. It could have been painted 40 years ago and it still looks like new.

TBH it would not surprise me. there is probably some truth but they purposely overexagerate it and make sure to also not allow the home owner to do it. It's all about capitalism. Most regulations are all about money and about making the rich get richer.
 

Greenman

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This isn't true. In my city, you take it to the dump and specify that it is asbestos. They charge a dollar more and tell you to put it in the special asbestos area. No laws against it at all.

Asbestos is way overworried about. It has almost zero chance of harming you. At the very worst, there is a slight uptick in rare cancers from people who breathe it in daily during work (mining, manufacturing, etc) and only then if they are also a heavy smoker. Anyone else is fine with occasional exposure. Just wear a dust mask, wet it down, and report it as asbestos when you dump it. You'll be just fine.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp61.pdf
"Asbestos-related lung diseases (malignant and nonmalignant) or signs of these diseases have been reported in groups of occupationally exposed humans with cumulative exposures ranging from about 5 to 1,200 f-yr/mL. Such cumulative exposures would result from 40 years of occupational exposure to concentrations ranging from 0.125 to 30 f/mL. Currently, U.S. OSHA regulations require that workplace air concentrations of asbestos not exceed 0.1 f/mL. Exposures of this magnitude are usually not encountered by the general public...  
Although there is considerable uncertainty in the estimates, EPA calculated, using a linear, no-threshold model, that lifetime exposure to asbestos dust containing 0.0001 fibers >5 μm in length per mL of air could result in about 2–4 excess cancer deaths (lung cancer plus mesothelioma) per 100,000 people."

In other words, you'd need 40+ years of exposure above the OSHA asbestos regulations to begin to have a chance of possibly having a higher incidence of an already rare disease. In numbers: after 40+ years of heavy exposure you have up to a 0.004% additional chance of death.

It looks as though you're right about dumping asbestos. I assumed the restrictions were the same as they are for lead paint, and that appears to not be the case.
 

Imp

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What if it's all a scam. They make up all these new health regulations to give people an excuse to tear stuff down and rebuild. It's all about keeping money circulating. In a few years, PVC will be found to cause cancer and we will all need to replace all our plumbing.

New regulations mean more general construction and rebuilding and new building codes for cities to collect permit fees on.

All I know is, take a look at a house with asbestos siding. It could have been painted 40 years ago and it still looks like new.

Flip side is, what if everything is a lot more toxic than you could imagine and they're keeping everything hidden so businesses can keep selling shit?

PVC may contain lead used as a stabilizer. That means you may be exposed to lead when handling electric cords.

Did you also know that brass (e.g. door knobs) may have lead to make the metal softer and easier to machine? I've heard that the concentration on the surface is higher because of various mechanisms. Yep, every time you touch it.
 

DrPizza

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Those precautions are excessive, more or less because those doing the asbestos abatement are doing that 5 days a week; it's long term exposure to them. At home, make sure you get a good respirator to prevent inhaling the dust. Other than that, misting it to keep it damp while removing it, double bagging it, and very very thoroughly vacuuming the house - use a shop vac that's located outdoors with a long hose to the indoors. That way if any dust gets past the filter, it's outside.


Asbestos isn't absorbed through the skin. It doesn't dissolve in water. I cannot contaminate the groundwater, the ONLY way it's hazardous is if very find dust particles of it are in the air and are inhaled. If it's in the form of insulation in the wall, someone said "fix it." Why? It's not broken. It's harmless in the wall, though during remodeling, some dust might get into the air. I'd stick a fan in the window, to exhaust the air, and open another window, and call it a day while replacing the drywall. The fear of asbestos is greatly blown out of proportion.

Oh, the other way it's harmful is if a huge chunk of asbestos is dropped on your head. (In the rock form)
 
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