Home winemaking -- anybody else?

Cerpin Taxt

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In the Pacific Northwest, wild blackberries grow in extraordinary abundance. They're actually sort of a nuisance. The Himalayan blackberry is in fact an invasive species, and they grow at astounding rates. Consequently, I have access to an abundance of blackberries that fruit in the late summers here, and after years of making jams and sauces, I finally got around to making some wine out of them.

My first go-round was mediocre, to be sure. It was two winters ago. I bought a home winemaking kit billed as "Everything But The Fruit" -- which was perfect for me, because fruit was all I had. And wine was made. And drunkenness was achieved. And there was muted self-satisfaction. In truth, while drinkable, it was hooch. Period. Slightly on the funky side, but after back-sweetening it heartily you could drink enough of it to get yourself fairly toasty.

In any case, now I had the equipment. More wine would surely follow.

It turns out, with a modest investment in some hardware, a modicum of easily attainable know-how, and bit of patience (more on that later), quality wines can be made at home out of just about any fruit or vegetable. I'm not exaggerating. People make wine out of some weird things sometimes. They're not all winners, to be sure, even if technically wine. Some people make certain wines (i.e. onion wine, beet wine) just to cook with. If it grows out of the ground or can otherwise be plucked off a plant, you can make wine out of it.

In any case, I kept things simple. Since then I've made two more blackberry batches, two strawberry batches, a blueberry batch, two berry blend batches, a plum batch, and one batch of concord grape wine, all from fresh fruit. I've also made concord grape wine, mango wine, strawberry watermelon wine, and white grape wine all from bottled juices -- and let me say that bottled juices make truly drinkable wines, even if they may not be the absolute best. Most of the wines were made from buying frozen fruit in bulk from a local grocer wholesaler, and my average cost per bottle is about $2. In a couple instances I came into free fruit like the blackberries and then the cost goes down even more significantly.

The *only* hard part is the waiting. Aging the wine is a important component of final quality, and your patience is greatly rewarded. Wine can be drinkable and will get ya drunk after only a few weeks time. A quality wine, however, should be aged a year or more to achieve its best balance and character.

Anyway, this past President's Day weekend, I bottled up 4 batches I had started last spring and summer: the lemon, the plum, the blackberry 2.0 and the strawberry 2.0. And these wines are *good*. The oldest had been aged nearly 9 months, the youngest only 6, but I'm proud of them. As soon as it gets a bit warmer around here and I can maintain fermentation temps in my basement, I'm getting back at it.

Attached are before and after bottling pics of my little wine room, and a pic of the lemon, plum and strawberry bottles.
 

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Red Squirrel

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Sounds fun and I kinda like the idea of having a wine cellar.

My grandparents make their own wine but it's through a winery, it's crossed my mind to do that. Though actually doing it myself at home would be cool too.
 

MrBailey

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I used to be into wine making. Started off with a kit wine...worked my way to buckets of juice from Cali...then went to grapes. I had all the equipment: destemmer/crusher, press, corker, stainless steel vats.

It was fun but time consuming...and a mess. I had some good wines and some not so good.
 

KB

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I've made this recipe before and it's quite good. Not the Pruno they taught you how make in prison.

The Easiest Wine Recipe Ever


I can't believe I have reached this level of wine snobbery, but I have. Concord grape wine is just terrible. Not even in North East, Pennsylvania, where Welch's gets most of their grapes, can they make a good concord wine.

IMHO, the easiest wine to make and one that I can actually enjoy is dandelion wine, but its an acquired taste and best served chilled.


I am jealous you have access to so much fruit. My attempts at blackberry wine haven't been successful because you need something like 11 pounds of perfectly ripe berries to make 1 gallon of wine. One pound of black berries is like 5 bucks on the East coast.

My greatest wine-making achievements have been with bulk Italian and Chilean grape juices from the homebrew store. Its amazing what you can do with the right grape. You don't need any of the fancy kits juices either, just the bulk (we made way too many grapes this year) will do.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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I can't believe I have reached this level of wine snobbery, but I have. Concord grape wine is just terrible. Not even in North East, Pennsylvania, where Welch's gets most of their grapes, can they make a good concord wine.
To each his own. I quite like it. It tastes like grape jelly wine. 😊

IMHO, the easiest wine to make and one that I can actually enjoy is dandelion wine, but its an acquired taste and best served chilled.
I started harvesting dandelions to make wine once, but I gave up before I could collect enough. It's just so much bending over! I still have the harvest stored deep in a chest freezer so maybe I'll try again this summer with that as a head start.


I am jealous you have access to so much fruit. My attempts at blackberry wine haven't been successful because you need something like 11 pounds of perfectly ripe berries to make 1 gallon of wine. One pound of black berries is like 5 bucks on the East coast.
Hmm, my recipe for blackberry wine only requires 5lbs per gallon, and then supplementing with sugar and water to achieve your target specific gravity. Trying to do all fruit with blackberry tends to result in acids too high, from what I've seen others report.

My greatest wine-making achievements have been with bulk Italian and Chilean grape juices from the homebrew store. Its amazing what you can do with the right grape. You don't need any of the fancy kits juices either, just the bulk (we made way too many grapes this year) will do.
I've yet to go down this route, but I know many do, and it is greatly appealing for its simplicity. So far though, I've enjoyee the satisfaction of actually taking whole raw fruit and seeing it through to its final state.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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I used to be into wine making. Started off with a kit wine...worked my way to buckets of juice from Cali...then went to grapes. I had all the equipment: destemmer/crusher, press, corker, stainless steel vats.

It was fun but time consuming...and a mess. I had some good wines and some not so good.
Cool! I moved into a new house a few months ago that gave me that wine room in the pictures as well as a downstairs bathroom that let's me contain my mess when it comes to juicing and cleaning. Now I have my sights set on scaling up my batch size to maximize my time investment. I don't think I'll bother doing a batch less than 15 gallons going forward, with maybe exceptions if I come into looked l limited amounts of free fruit.

I'm also considering purchasing wine grapes directly out of the Yakima and/or the Willamette valleys to actually try making WINE wine for once.
 

zinfamous

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I can't believe I have reached this level of wine snobbery, but I have. Concord grape wine is just terrible. Not even in North East, Pennsylvania, where Welch's gets most of their grapes, can they make a good concord wine.

IMHO, the easiest wine to make and one that I can actually enjoy is dandelion wine, but its an acquired taste and best served chilled.


I am jealous you have access to so much fruit. My attempts at blackberry wine haven't been successful because you need something like 11 pounds of perfectly ripe berries to make 1 gallon of wine. One pound of black berries is like 5 bucks on the East coast.

My greatest wine-making achievements have been with bulk Italian and Chilean grape juices from the homebrew store. Its amazing what you can do with the right grape. You don't need any of the fancy kits juices either, just the bulk (we made way too many grapes this year) will do.

Oh man, have you ever tried wine from scuppernong grapes?

D:
 

lxskllr

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Not a big fan of wine. If I got into winemaking, I'd most likely turn it into brandy.

Good to see you Taxt!
 

Scarpozzi

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I made beer and was extremely successful in all but 2 batches out of may 35. I decided to try my hand at meade and did a bad job balancing sugar.

Wine, I would imagine needs the right yeast strains and allowing ample time for it to ferment. My mother made some blackberry wine that turned sparkling in the bottle. Despite being decent, the pH was still off a little.
 

skyking

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I don't know if we ever discussed it but my dad was an amateur winemaker while I was growing up.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Not a big fan of wine. If I got into winemaking, I'd most likely turn it into brandy.

Good to see you Taxt!
Hey thanks man. I've certainly given distillation a thought but yields are so low. It just goes farther as wine, and makes great gifts!
 

Cerpin Taxt

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I made beer and was extremely successful in all but 2 batches out of may 35. I decided to try my hand at meade and did a bad job balancing sugar.

Wine, I would imagine needs the right yeast strains and allowing ample time for it to ferment. My mother made some blackberry wine that turned sparkling in the bottle. Despite being decent, the pH was still off a little.
I've made beer a few times with a brew buddy of mine, and his batches have always been pretty good. Beer seems like way more work though, apart from the absence of prolonged aging. There's all the boiling, for one, plus God help you if you're brewing all-grain. Then you either have to bottle condition a hundred bottles, or invest in a kegging and refrigeration setup. With wine you just gotta mash the fruit and add some additives all at the beginning, and then just basically wait. Rack it off the sediment a few times over the course of 6 to 12 months, add sulfites while you're at it, and soon enough you get wine ready to bottle.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Interesting. What resources would you recommend for learning the know how
I joined a pretty active and helpful Facebook group for homemade winemaking, and there's tons of docs/files with explainers and recipes.

The process is simple enough if you started just following a few recipes, you'd probably get the hang of it.

Many people like this book, though I don't have it myself.

Wild Winemaking: Easy & Adventurous Recipes Going Beyond Grapes, Including Apple Champagne, Ginger-Green Tea Sake, Key Lime-Cayenne Wine, and 142 More https://www.amazon.com/dp/1612127894/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_i_KvXtEb0EPDF4P

The general idea is to make sure you start with enough sugar in the juice, the pH is in the right range, the temperature is steady in the right range, and you keep your equipment clean so you don't get foreign organisms growing with your yeast.

A winemaking hardware kit is pretty good too get started, although I would forego bundles that include corks and a "knuckle-buster" corker. So far I've bought screw top 750ml bottles and high quality, reusable polyseal caps. If you really want to cork, then it's almost universally agreed that the more expensive floor corker is worth it.
 

Scarpozzi

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I've made beer a few times with a brew buddy of mine, and his batches have always been pretty good. Beer seems like way more work though, apart from the absence of prolonged aging. There's all the boiling, for one, plus God help you if you're brewing all-grain. Then you either have to bottle condition a hundred bottles, or invest in a kegging and refrigeration setup. With wine you just gotta mash the fruit and add some additives all at the beginning, and then just basically wait. Rack it off the sediment a few times over the course of 6 to 12 months, add sulfites while you're at it, and soon enough you get wine ready to bottle.
Beer isn't bad at all once you do it a time or two. I prefer extract brewing because it's just easier, but have done all grain. I have a Igloo cube cooler I use for mashing and a 15 gallon half barrel Heineken keg I bought from a brewery that shipped their product in them before phasing them out (because no one uses those type D connectors anymore). If you want to use a keg for that, make sure you buy it from a company that paid for it and not someone who simply kept one for the deposit...that's basically stealing. Anyhoo...I had a guy I know cut the top off with a plasma cutter and I put a valve on the side of it. That keeps me from having to pick it up off my turkey fryer when doing a 10gallon double batch.

So you measure and heat some water, pump to the Igloo and mash in (make your grain/barley tea), drain the mash to the keg......start the boil, throw your bittering hops and boil for 60 minutes, throw in your aroma hops in the last 15 minutes. Let it cool down and filter it out into a steralized bucket and pitch yeast when it's under 90 degrees....siphon off to a carboy for a second fermentation if you want to remove some sediment...then prime and siphon into bottles or kegs....or force carb if you want to drink it faster. The processes are all pretty easy.

Bottling takes some work because you have to siphon/fill all the bottles, but it's done in batch....then you just park your bottles in a climate controlled room. The worst part of it is washing and steralizing that many bottles....but you do that as you go. 5 gallons is 2 cases and a 6 pack....but they make 22oz bottles...which makes it go way quicker.

I switched over to kegging and bought a johnson controls digital temp controller for a chest freezer setup that allowed me to cold-lager beer at 55 degrees in carboys...then drop the temp after kegging. For kegging, you can force carb in cold storage or let them naturally carbonate (quicker at room temp) by adding priming sugar to the kegs.

If I were to grow my own grapes, how many grape vine/plants would I need to get enough fruit for a batch? I'm just curious. I have land and my wife may be on board with starting a vineyard at our lake property on the hillside. I'm tempted to build some planters and plant hops around our pavillion out there next year. It's a cool effect.
 
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BurnItDwn

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That is an awesome setup you have there!

I made a couple batches of semidecent mead back in the day .. but never really got into it too much
 

Scarpozzi

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I've got to clean all of these kegs, get new hoses, and start brewing again. It's just tough because all of our local brew suppliers have gone out of business. Doing extract, you can buy online....but shipping gets pricey when you're doing all grain. I assume it's the same for buying grape juice from a supplier....you can probably assume you'll be adding $10-20 onto your orders by the time you ship a few gallons of juice unless you're getting concentrate. (just guessing)
 

Cerpin Taxt

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I've had a couple of shoulder reconstructions, and off work for a couple of months. My schedule is wide open
Hope you're finally on the mend. I've moved even farther north to Lynnwood, hence the spiffy new wine cellar. 🙂 Haven't been up to camano much since the winter has been so soggy, but spring is just around the corner!
 

Cerpin Taxt

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If I were to grow my own grapes, how many grape vine/plants would I need to get enough fruit for a batch? I'm just curious. I have land and my wife may be on board with starting a vineyard at our lake property on the hillside. I'm tempted to build some planters and plant hops around our pavillion out there next year. It's a cool effect.
That's a question I don't know how to answer precisely. What I can say is that I came into about 150lbs of grapes and yielded about 7 gallons after the primary fermentation was complete and I strained out the bulk of the fruit solids. These vines were sorta grown all over a small gazebo so I'm not sure how to relate it to a typical agriculture linear vine arrangement.

I have some land myself though, and I've considered planting grapes and other fruit also, besides of course the oceans of blackberries in around the area.
 

Scarpozzi

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That's a question I don't know how to answer precisely. What I can say is that I came into about 150lbs of grapes and yielded about 7 gallons after the primary fermentation was complete and I strained out the bulk of the fruit solids. These vines were sorta grown all over a small gazebo so I'm not sure how to relate it to a typical agriculture linear vine arrangement.

I have some land myself though, and I've considered planting grapes and other fruit also, besides of course the oceans of blackberries in around the area.
Don't forget the strawberry wine.

 
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herm0016

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our wines from this year: according the the usda cider is up to 8% the pear is 10.5% and the apple is 15%.

we have several large apple trees, a large pear and a crab apple tree on our property. 2018 we produced about 250 lbs of apples and figure that was about half of the actual, as it was our first year and we did not know what we were doing.

this past season we hade like 25 lbs of apples due to a late frost and about 75 lb of perfect ripe pears. out of that we got about 8 gallons of bottled wine.
we grind the fruit using a 1hp garbage disposer, and press in a converted Harbor Freight hydraulic press in cloth bags with racks between. collect and pasteurize the cider, add what we want, and then mass ferment in brewers buckets. we used dry white wine yeast and cider yeast combo. transferred to carboys. cold crashed and racked once after about a month, and then aged for another couple months. bottled just after new years. a case of bottles like in the picture and the rest in growlers with polyseal caps with some carb tabs.

the pear is like a fruitier champagne with a little more body when carbed. we need to open up a apple and see how its doing. it was a full bodied and a little bitter ( like the apple skin) when bottled. but very easy to drink even at 15%. labels were illustrated /designed by my wife, with the help of 2 or 3 of our dogos.




 
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