Homeland security report says no threat from 7 banned nations in travel ban

[Grooveriding]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-24-18-36-57

Analysts at the Homeland Security Department's intelligence arm found insufficient evidence that citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries included in President Donald Trump's travel ban pose a terror threat to the United States.

A draft document obtained by The Associated Press concludes that citizenship is an "unlikely indicator" of terrorism threats to the United States and that few people from the countries Trump listed in his travel ban have carried out attacks or been involved in terrorism-related activities in the U.S. since Syria's civil war started in 2011.

Trump cited terrorism concerns as the primary reason he signed the sweeping temporary travel ban in late January, which also halted the U.S. refugee program. A federal judge in Washington state blocked the government from carrying out the order earlier this month. Trump said Friday a new edict would be announced soon. The administration has been working on a new version that could withstand legal challenges.

Homeland Security spokeswoman Gillian Christensen on Friday did not dispute the report's authenticity, but said it was not a final comprehensive review of the government's intelligence.

"While DHS was asked to draft a comprehensive report on this issue, the document you're referencing was commentary from a single intelligence source versus an official, robust document with thorough interagency sourcing," Christensen said. "The ... report does not include data from other intelligence community sources. It is incomplete."

The Homeland Security report is based on unclassified information from Justice Department press releases on terrorism-related convictions and attackers killed in the act, State Department visa statistics, the 2016 Worldwide Threat Assessment from the U.S. intelligence community and the State Department Country Reports on Terrorism 2015.

The three-page report challenges Trump's core claims. It said that of 82 people the government determined were inspired by a foreign terrorist group to carry out or try to carry out an attack in the United States, just over half were U.S. citizens born in the United States. The others were from 26 countries, led by Pakistan, Somalia, Bangladesh, Cuba, Ethiopia, Iraq and Uzbekistan. Of these, only Somalia and Iraq were among the seven nations included in the ban.

Of the other five nations, one person each from Iran, Sudan and Yemen was also involved in those terrorism cases, but none from Syria. It did not say if any were Libyan.

This probably explains the earlier reports that the Trump regime asked for reports from intelligence to support the travel ban : http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/polit...ses-growing-concern-for-some-intel-officials/

Standard Trump propaganda method. Start with the conclusion and try to make a narrative to support it. The reality of the situation doesn't matter, just the belief. I expect his next travel EO is going to get taken to court immediately and he'll probably get struck down again. They can use this sort of information against him once more with the same premise that his claim of a risk from these nations is simply not true.

 

[JSt0rm]

but brown skinned babies.

 

[Grooveriding]

All the other garbage of the day; marijuana efforts, blocking news outlets etc.. probably to produce some noise to hide this under. They asked for this report to support their ban, non politicized information says there is no threat. Trump stamps his feet and makes a poopeyin his diaper.

 

[BoomerD]

OMG! Fake news...FAKE. Sad.

 

[Staples]

Excuse my ignorance but we keep talking about this travel ban as if it is a thing. Is my understanding incorect that a court struck it down days later and ended the ban?

 

[sdifox]

Excuse my ignorance but we keep talking about this travel ban as if it is a thing. Is my understanding incorect that a court struck it down days later and ended the ban?

Orangutan in Chief vowed to EO a new one.

 

[mrjminer]

So, an organization that cannot vet people from these countries now comes out and says they pose no threat? Certainly.

 

[Thump553]

Excuse my ignorance but we keep talking about this travel ban as if it is a thing. Is my understanding incorect that a court struck it down days later and ended the ban?

Technically speaking what happened is the courts issued a temporary stay. The government is entitled to a full trial, if after trial the government is able to persuade the court that the ban is constitutional the stay is dissolved. Here (apparently) the government is conceding that the ban as originally drafted will never pass constitutional muster so they have indicated they will vacate the original EO and replace it.

Until the government actually does what they say they will (vacate the original EO) the temporary stay and current litigation remain in full force and effect.

 

[Thump553]

So, an organization that cannot vet people from these countries now comes out and says they pose no threat? Certainly.

Who (besides The Donald) says they are not being vetted now? That is a flat out lie-they are being vetted, all of them. And refugees from those countries are going through a vetting process that takes roughly two years and is extremely through.

When dealing with Trump it is best to get independent verification from a reliable truthful source for any of his claims. The guy has proven over and over again that he is a liar. A very common jury instruction is that if a jury concludes a witness has lied, they are entitled to totally disregard all of that witness' testimony. It's a good rule and one I apply to life in general. Makes dealing with the salesmen type much easier.

 

[sandorski]

Fake news!
Find the Leaker!!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The title of your post doesn't agree with what the story you posted says.


"The White House did not offer an on-the-record comment for this story despite numerous requests. The Department of Homeland Security, however, issued a statement Friday afternoon saying the seven countries were identified by the Obama administration as being of "great concern for terrorism."

and

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DHS spokeswoman Gillian M. Christensen said the report was "commentary from open source reporting versus an official, robust document with thorough interagency sourcing. The (Office of Intelligence and Analysis) report does not include data from other intelligence community sources. It is clear on its face that it is an incomplete product that fails to find evidence of terrorism by simply refusing to look at all the available evidence."
"Any suggestion by opponents of the President's policies that senior DHS intelligence officials would politicize this process or a report's final conclusions is absurd and not factually accurate. The dispute with this product was over sources and quality, not politics," Christensen added."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/polit...ses-growing-concern-for-some-intel-officials/

 

[Orignal Earl]

ah ya
Homeland security should check alt right sources before coming to any conclusions. Like Fox New's Swedish defence advisor

 

[Grooveriding]

Excuse my ignorance but we keep talking about this travel ban as if it is a thing. Is my understanding incorect that a court struck it down days later and ended the ban?

The original one was stayed by the courts. One of the reasons they gave is that there is no evidence that there are any threats posed by the seven countries. Countries where their nationals have in somewhat recent history committed terrorism against the US are not on the list.

Trump's regime in preparing for their next attempt to bring a travel ban in has asked intelligence agencies to provide reports, in an attempt to support their case that there is a legitimate threat from the countries on the banned list. This is one of those reports, and it says there is no legitimate threat. It's good that it leaked, because once he does bring his next attempt forward and it gets taken to court, this can be used against him. It will also help to provide some evidence of him trying to politicize and skew intelligence and facts to his own political ends, if when he comes with another order - there is suddenly intelligence showing a threat where there was somehow no intelligence before.

Trump has put himself in a jackpot by promising his fanatics a Muslim ban. He can't legally do it, and all his attempts to do it under another name going forward, are tainted by the lack of legitimate threat and his earlier promise to do so.

 

[HomerJS]

The original one was stayed by the courts. One of the reasons they gave is that there is no evidence that there are any threats posed by the seven countries. Countries where their nationals have in somewhat recent history committed terrorism against the US are not on the list.

Trump's regime in preparing for their next attempt to bring a travel ban in has asked intelligence agencies to provide reports, in an attempt to support their case that there is a legitimate threat from the countries on the banned list. This is one of those reports, and it says there is no legitimate threat. It's good that it leaked, because once he does bring his next attempt forward and it gets taken to court, this can be used against him. It will also help to provide some evidence of him trying to politicize and skew intelligence and facts to his own political ends, if when he comes with another order - there is suddenly intelligence showing a threat where there was somehow no intelligence before.

Trump has put himself in a jackpot by promising his fanatics a Muslim ban. He can't legally do it, and all his attempts to do it under another name going forward, are tainted by the lack of legitimate threat and his earlier promise to do so.

What?? How dare you inject logic into debate white Trump supporters remain on their knees to Orange Julius Caesar

 

[UglyCasanova]

I wonder how they reached their conclusions. There is no threat from Syria or Yemen, really?

 

[justoh]

Standard Trump propaganda method. Start with the conclusion and try to make a narrative to support it. The reality of the situation doesn't matter, just the belief. .

Bit ironic. You still haven't supported the conclusion in your thread title. Insufficient isn't usually the same thing as none.

"Analysts at the Homeland Security Department's intelligence arm found insufficient evidence that citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries included in President Donald Trump's travel ban pose a terror threat to the United States."

 

[Jhhnn]

Bit ironic. You still haven't supported the conclusion in your thread title. Insufficient isn't usually the same thing as none.

"Analysts at the Homeland Security Department's intelligence arm found insufficient evidence that citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries included in President Donald Trump's travel ban pose a terror threat to the United States."

With the Trump admin, "insufficient evidence" is just a polite way of saying "pure unadulterated bullshit".

The EO issued by Obama wasn't done because citizens from those countries were regarded as exceptionally dangerous but because the govts weren't providing the cooperation or the paperwork for us to apply proper vetting. They do now, apparently.

The Trump admin crafted that into a lie that dovetailed with the FUD of anti-Islamic ravers.

 

[FelixDeCat]

We need to stop terrorism before it starts. Extreme vetting will help accomplish this task. "Analysts" at the Homeland Security Department's intelligence arm were not elected, Trump was, to help keep us safe.

 

[1sikbITCH]

We need to stop terrorism before it starts. Extreme vetting will help accomplish this task. "Analysts" at the Homeland Security Department's intelligence arm were not elected, Trump was, to help keep us safe.

Haha run from the boogeyman! What ever happened to balls in this country.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Haha run from the boogeyman! What ever happened to balls in this country.

What ever happened to question marks?

 

[Jhhnn]

We need to stop terrorism before it starts. Extreme vetting will help accomplish this task. "Analysts" at the Homeland Security Department's intelligence arm were not elected, Trump was, to help keep us safe.

When have vetting procedures put in place since 9/11 failed us? Well, other than the shoe bomber (UK citizen) and the underwear bomber, a Nigerian?

Donald's travel ban wouldn't have stopped them, either.

 

[greatnoob]

We need to stop terrorism before it starts. Extreme vetting will help accomplish this task. "Analysts" at the Homeland Security Department's intelligence arm were not elected, Trump was, to help keep us safe.

So you expect your illiterate emperor to conduct research with his own small hands because these learned analysts proved the opposite of what Trump wanted them to look into? Tell us more about this "extreme" vetting please.

I feel sorry for your wife and kids knowing that their cuck of a dad has his head so far up Trump's ass that they won't be able to pull you out and smack you back to your senses.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So you expect your illiterate emperor to conduct research with his own small hands because these learned analysts proved the opposite of what Trump wanted them to look into? Tell us more about this "extreme" vetting please.

I feel sorry for your wife and kids knowing that their brilliant gentleman of a dad has his head so far up Trump's ass that they won't be able to pull you out and smack you back to your senses.

ROFL. I feel sorry for you because you cant make a point without some sort of personal attack. Your name suits you.

 

[Grooveriding]

I think this is the issue that may send Trump off the deep end. When he tries this order again, and if it again gets blocked by the courts, I think he's going to go right off his rocker.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think this is the issue that may send Trump off the deep end. When he tries this order again, and if it again gets blocked by the courts, I think he's going to go right off his rocker.

Shee-it, Sherlock. The Trump Admin knew it couldn't stand when the order was issued. It was pure base pandering & attention getting.

Tough on Terrrar! Muricuh! Be afraid! Gitmo was the same sort of deal, except Dubya managed to get away with it.