Homeowner executes two burglars

[CLite]

NO ONE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY for themselves anymore.
The 2 dead people.....
They broke into the house...
SHEET HAPPENS. Bet they NEVER thought that was gonna happen!!!
You know... getting Dead...

So let's say the executioner waited about 10 minutes or so in this story while they were incapacitated. You are clearly OK with that.

Would you mind someone keeping a robber alive for 1 hour in their home before executing?
2 hours?
1 day?
2 days?

What is your time period limit for when someone could execute another person in their home after they've already disabled that person.

 

[airdata]

Anyone that breaks into someone elses house should get the death penalty. We see a lot of old people killed this way in the city.

Sounds like a dumb blanket statement.

Perhaps if you changed it to *with intent to cause bodily harm and or kill occupents.

Most B&E's are simple property crime. Addicts trying to steal shit to get their next fix. People like that shouldn't get the death penalty for being victims of the war on drugs.

 

[corwin]

Sounds like a dumb blanket statement.

Perhaps if you changed it to *with intent to cause bodily harm and or kill occupents.

Most B&E's are simple property crime. Addicts trying to steal shit to get their next fix. People like that shouldn't get the death penalty for being victims of the war on drugs.

Now that's a dumb blanket statement.

Addicts can be dangerous when they are fiending for their fix and might just kill someone if they happen to be home...you may want to try and assess why someone just broke into your house before shooting their worthless ass but I'm not taking any chances and I'll shoot first and ask questions later.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Sounds like a dumb blanket statement.

Perhaps if you changed it to *with intent to cause bodily harm and or kill occupents.

Most B&E's are simple property crime. Addicts trying to steal shit to get their next fix. People like that shouldn't get the death penalty for being victims of the war on drugs.

Rule #1 Don't break into my house or attempt to carjack my vehicle
Rule #2 If you fail to follow Rule #1 you will receive two shots ( I always double tap) to your center mass (most likely you heart) from a .40cal or 9mm respectively.

 

[sigurros81]

Rule #1 Don't break into my house or attempt to carjack my vehicle
Rule #2 If you fail to follow Rule #1 you will receive two shots ( I always double tap) to your center mass (most likely you heart) from a .40cal or 9mm respectively.

You must have a really impresive KDR IRL.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You must have a really impresive KDR IRL.

I don't play games on the internet, I did however, receive a purple heart in Beirut 1982 and served in the Navy for 12 years.

 

[sigurros81]

I don't play games on the internet, I did however, receive a purple heart in Beirut 1982 and served in the Navy for 12 years.

DAMN! Impressive!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

DAMN! Impressive!

I could care less if your impressed or not. You sure do like making a fool out of yourself.

 

[Arglebargle]

Rule #1 Don't break into my house or attempt to carjack my vehicle
Rule #2 If you fail to follow Rule #1 you will receive two shots ( I always double tap) to your center mass (most likely you heart) from a .40cal or 9mm respectively.

And if this guy had done that, there would be no issue here.

 

[Arglebargle]

This, if your charged with breaking into someones house then the death penalty is in order, too many times we have seen criminals who have no respect for property rights

You guys are loons! No wonder so few take your opinions seriously.

Do you realize that by doing this, you encourage the killing of anyone in the house? If the burglers are going to get the death penalty anyway, it just makes sense to kill anyone who sees you there.

And it's not like this is a characteristic that hasn't been recognized in the legal system for many years.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

And if this guy had done that, there would be no issue here.

Agree and he should be held accountable for what he did after he incapacitated the intruders in his house.

 

[Darwin333]

Pssst... I sometimes come off as trite... BUT I was agreeing with you.
ROOT CAUSE IS THEIR INITIAL ACTION. BREAKING IN.
PERIOD.

I was just trying to add to your position about these townships (YEAH, there are several) that are trying to say Red Light Cameras make drivers unsafe.

NO ONE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY for themselves anymore.
The 2 dead people.....
They broke into the house...
SHEET HAPPENS. Bet they NEVER thought that was gonna happen!!!
You know... getting Dead...

LMFAO! You aren't one that is big on "evidence" or that bullshit "proof" stuff are you?

And no shit, they sure weren't expecting to get shot or they never would have went in there. That still doesn't give the homeowner the right to execute them when they were no longer a threat to his life or property. Hell, I gotta assume the mess he created with his final shot actually caused more damage to his property.

 

[Darwin333]

Rule #1 Don't break into my house or attempt to carjack my vehicle
Rule #2 If you fail to follow Rule #1 you will receive two shots ( I always double tap) to your center mass (most likely you heart) from a .40cal or 9mm respectively.

Which is absolutely acceptable. Hell, in my state you just have to be in the process of breaking into my house to give me the legal right to shoot you.

What you said is perfectly legal and most rational people wouldn't argue with you. However, if they survive said double tap you do not have the right to wait a bit and then decide to execute them even though they are no longer a threat.

 

[chucky2]

While I don't generally disagree with you, you just can't excecute someone after they're down and unable to continue their "attack" or invasion.

It's clear murder and I would be more than satisfied with proper justice being served for this equally of a scumbag person. snip

I don't know if I'd call him a scumbag, but clearly he needs to serve time, as I've said repeatedly, he went overboard when he executed the girl; although, I can see someone saying they put her out of her misery. Why he didn't call the cops though in all seriousness, I'm not sure. There are strange people out there for sure, will be interesting to see how this is explained in court.

The fact that he drug one of the incapacitated bodies, while she was gasping for air and obviously laying on the ground, put a revolver under her chin and pulled the trigger?

Yes, and that's why I've repeatedly said, he should serve time.

I don't care how much scum a person is, we have a legal system that punishes people for being scum. That was a calculated and cold blooded murder regardless of the "scummyness" of the person he shot. If shooting scum was OK or even simply as trivial as you make it half of ATOT would be dead.

Our "justice system" did a massively good job of failing this guy, especially when he needed it most. Using that as a pro in your argument, no matter how technically right, isn't very strong. When you're in a situation that's not legal, legality is really not something you should always be going by.

BTW, I almost always side with homeowners in B&E shootings. This however turned into cold blooded murder, you just can't slice it any other way and frankly you don't want to. If the gun community, or even a majority of them, stood up and supported this guy you would see a reversal of the looser gun/self defense laws we enjoy in a lot of states real quick.

It turned into murder, I don't know if I'd call it cold blooded without this guy explaining in context why he killed her. Even dragging her next to the guy can be easily explained, I don't know why such a big deal is being made of that. For sure he should serve time. Lots of time? Not sure I'd go that far...

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

Guess what, society makes the goddamn rules, not you and whatever fucked up revenge fantasies you have. I know it irks people like you, but even criminals are afforded the same rights as anyone else on the country, and their rights don't just disappear because you think they are scum.

That's nice and all, but really meaningless in the heat of a life or death situation. Tell you what: Go into lovely Ford Heights, IL on a hot summer night, and start walking past the local hangouts yelling the common racial slur against Blacks. It is your god given right to practice free speech in this country, and society made that goddamn rule. Be sure to explain that as the mob is literally kicking the shit out of you.

Don't want bad shit like that to happen to you? Don't go looking for trouble on other peoples turf, and most especially, invading their home. You invade someones home, most especially in a many vs 1 situation, and shit is going to get messy real quick if they're prepared. Don't like that? Don't invade. I've already said repeatedly this guy should serve time, but there is no way I'd throw the book at him because he went overboard some. I'd send him away for 5, in the ward where they keep protected prisoners. Done.

Chuck

 

[sigurros81]

That's nice and all, but really meaningless in the heat of a life or death situation. Tell you what: Go into lovely Ford Heights, IL on a hot summer night, and start walking past the local hangouts yelling the common racial slur against Blacks. It is your god given right to practice free speech in this country, and society made that goddamn rule. Be sure to explain that as the mob is literally kicking the shit out of you.

Don't want bad shit like that to happen to you? Don't go looking for trouble on other peoples turf, and most especially, invading their home. You invade someones home, most especially in a many vs 1 situation, and shit is going to get messy real quick if they're prepared. Don't like that? Don't invade. I've already said repeatedly this guy should serve time, but there is no way I'd throw the book at him because he went overboard some. I'd send him away for 5, in the ward where they keep protected prisoners. Done.

Chuck

Wow you are fucking stupid.

 

[CitizenKain]

I don't know if I'd call him a scumbag

Chuck

Well of course you wouldn't. Sociopaths rarely see anything wrong with what they do. Its why they are broken fucked up individuals.

 

[chucky2]

Wow you are fucking stupid.

You bolded that for what reason? He can absolutely do that, society has goddamn said he can without having to expect any reprisal happening to him. That means what society has decided is a.) right and b.) will happen, right?

Talk about being F'ing stupid...

 

[chucky2]

Well of course you wouldn't. Sociopaths rarely see anything wrong with what they do. Its why they are broken fucked up individuals.

Two people decided to go get themselves killed...talk about sociopaths...

 

[jpeyton]

Anyone can empty a magazine in less than 5 seconds, the question is will they actually hit anything--this average person with minimal training you're speaking of.

Better yet, I'd like to see you unload a 17 round magazine in 5 seconds and actually keep your precision in check.

Home defense shooting distance is about 10-15 feet or less. Hitting a man sized target during rapid fire at that distance isn't difficult with a little practice, and most of your shots will score hits.

Stick a B-27 silhouette target at 10 feet and practice rapid fire a few times a month. Most of those 17 rounds will score hits at that range.

 

[jpeyton]

There's something wrong with you then.

You should brush up on your legal definitions. The homeowner was charged with 2nd degree murder.

Second degree murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance. An example would be a bar fight that resulted in death. It wasn't necessarily planned or intentional, oftentimes considered a mistake.

 

[jpeyton]

Rule #2 If you fail to follow Rule #1 you will receive two shots ( I always double tap) to your center mass (most likely you heart) from a .40cal or 9mm respectively.

For the average person who doesn't have the trigger time/military training like you do, I would recommend more than two shots before they stop and re-assess the situation.

 

[Linux23]

this reads like that movie, "The People Under the Stairs".

 

[JockoJohnson]

Sounds like a dumb blanket statement.

Perhaps if you changed it to *with intent to cause bodily harm and or kill occupents.

Most B&E's are simple property crime. Addicts trying to steal shit to get their next fix. People like that shouldn't get the death penalty for being victims of the war on drugs.

That is quite pathetic of you. You are what stereotypes are made from. I don't think they should have been killed by the homeowner but please don't be such a pathetic tool and make the criminals out to be victims of any sort.

Edit: Before the retards reply that they are now victims of the homeowner's potential criminal actions, I will give you that but not victims of any war on drugs.

 

[sigurros81]

That is quite pathetic of you. You are what stereotypes are made from. I don't think they should have been killed by the homeowner but please don't be such a pathetic tool and make the criminals out to be victims of any sort.

Edit: Before the retards reply that they are now victims of the homeowner's potential criminal actions, I will give you that but not victims of any war on drugs.

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