Homeowner executes two burglars

[chucky2]

I'm not sure I've ever experience an adrenaline high where I want to put a gun under the chin of a dying girl and execute her with a shot to her brain, but then again, I'm mentally stable, what's your excuse?

That's ok, freaks like you are a good personal reminder that there are a lot of creepy sociopaths lurking out there, especially in online tech forums.

No the high would have occurred when he realized he was being invaded and during the initial shootings. Once it's in the system, it's going to affect judgement from there on out.

I can't help it I hold people accountable for invading peoples homes, it's just this personal responsibility thing ingrained into me. Had they not wanted to subject themselves to this type of situation, they simply could have elected to not invade and not be scum towards this lone man. They decided their lives were worth nothing, and in the end, they are now nothing because of their decisions.

Who are you to tell them what they wanted wasn't what they wanted?

Chuck

 

[Svnla]

Plus one for your logic........ NO ONE TAKES BLAME....

I heard a great (Sarcasm) news report the other day... Red Light cameras make drivers unsafe....


ARE YOU EFFIN KIDDING ME?????

Again. No breaking into people house = no getting shot at by home owners.

Can you send me a link or two about people getting shot by law abiding citizens just by walking on the street and minding their business?

 

[halik]

Again. No breaking into people house = no getting shot at by home owners.

Can you send me a link or two about people getting shot just by walking on the street and minding their business?

You're essentially making an argument for capital punishment for B&E; retarded.

 

[Darwin333]

Exactly. Unless he's a stone cold psycho, his system would still be jacked with adreneline, and it's not like he had to wait hours for the other to come down the stairs...so it's not like he had time to come down from that high. If these scum wanted to not have a risk of getting shot, they could have taken the shocking action of not invading someones home. No big crocodile tears found...



Maybe he just didn't want to be bothered ruining the rest of his day, or someone elses? Sounds like he was just being considerate. () Prove otherwise...

Chuck

You do realize that he has already made incriminating statements to the police, right?

He be going to the pokey.

 

[halik]

Here is my states law:



Legally you don't even have to wait for them to actually get inside the house and they don't have to be visibly "threatening". This was actually tested not long ago when a homeowner shot someone trying to break in through his second story window. Guy shot him with a shotgun before the window was even open (think it was unlocked and he was trying to open the window) and no charges were brought.

In this case, the "reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the premises or motor vehicle." is far more relevant: After the initial justifiable shooting, you cannot claim that executing the disabled burglars was either preventing entry or compelling them to leave.

Again, the fact they were intruders/trespassing/B&Eing doesn't give you a carte blanche on doing whatever you want. Hypothetically jumping on the burglars, tying them up and then stabbing to death wouldn't make it a justifiable homicide per the above either.

 

[Darwin333]

That got me to scratching my head as well, but not as much as the fact that the guy's first words to his neighbor were "know a good lawyer?" and he then proceeds to sing like a canary to the police. Like most criminals he definately is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I thought the same thing too. I cringed when I read the first few sentences of what he told the police and then found out that he was batshit crazy in the first place and actually did murder them.

 

[Svnla]

You're essentially making an argument for capital punishment for B&E; retarded.

Wrong!!!

Read my very first post in this thread again = http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34300199&postcount=79

 

[chucky2]

You do realize that he has already made incriminating statements to the police, right?

He be going to the pokey.

Ok? Good? I already said he should serve time. I just don't think he should serve massive time. It's not like he drove to a public place and executed two nice Girl Scouts. He was invaded in his house spur of the moment be two potential threats and reacted. If people don't like the reaction from homeowners in these circumstances, then really the solution is simply to not invade those homeowners dwellings and put themselves in such situations.

What am I not getting here?

Chuck

 

[halik]

Wrong!!!

Read my very first post in this thread again = http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34300199&postcount=79

If the burglars are the only party to blame here, meaning only they did something wrong and deserve punishment, you're making an argument for capital punishment for B&E. Simple deductive logic.

 

[blankslate]

If he gets no more than 5 years, then nope as I already said, no problem with that. If he gets more than 5 years, then yeah I'd say that's BS. I would of course expect people feeling sorry for these two scum jizzing in their pants at this guy getting time, I'd absolutely expect that.

The only right here was when he shot these two scum. It's when he deliberately killed them after he first shot them that there is a - medium - problem. So to be more accurate, this would be like 2 wrongs overriding 1 right. Someone needs to account for that outstanding wrong, and it's this guy. The weighting though of the wrongs is not the same. There is 2 scum, both invading a home. That's far worse than ridding society of the scum.

Which is why I say, he should serve 3-5 total for going overboard.

Chuck

Bullshit this guy showed such a disregard for human life (yeah, they were thieves and I don't care about the first shots as people have a right to defend their homes). However, shooting them dead after they were incapacitated by gunshot was overboard.

Waiting a day to call the police considering the fact that people expect there to be a police shift working even on holidays is even further beyond the pale and you may be right and the guy only gets 5 years.

It would be way too few.

 

[nehalem256]

Well I have trouble having much sympathy for burglars...

After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver, he dragged her next to Brady. With her still gasping for air, he fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says.

This really stands out to me as not being right. If you are dragging around an intruder they clearly are not a threat to you anymore.

 

[chucky2]

Bullshit this guy showed such a disregard for human life (yeah, they were thieves and I don't care about the first shots as people have a right to defend their homes). However, shooting them dead after they were incapacitated by gunshot was overboard.

Waiting a day to call the police considering the fact that people expect there to be a police shift working even on holidays is even further beyond the pale and you may be right and the guy only gets 5 years.

It would be way too few.

No he showed a disregard for scum. The scum showed a disregard for their own lives, and what they wanted was granted. You don't go invading peoples dwellings without accepting that the risk you're accepting includes being maimed and/or killed. These scum decided to accept that risk and invade anyways. And they got what they accepted.

I'm not willing to punish this guy for going overboard what society thinks is proper, in his own house, after the protection mechanisms society provides failed (schooling, police), and then question his decision to grant what these two scum already accepted.

Don't invade peoples homes. Don't get dead. Seems pretty simple to me....

Chuck

 

[sigurros81]

No he showed a disregard for scum. The scum showed a disregard for their own lives, and what they wanted was granted. You don't go invading peoples dwellings without accepting that the risk you're accepting includes being maimed and/or killed. These scum decided to accept that risk and invade anyways. And they got what they accepted.

Maybe it's just me but I find this to be rather creepy.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Maybe it's just me but I find this to be rather creepy.

You have probably never had your home broken into or had items stolen from you.
That feeling of violation sticks with you for a very long time, Chucky is right, the perpetrators were nothing but scum that needed to be cleaned.

 

[chucky2]

Maybe it's just me but I find this to be rather creepy.

Why? I don't value home invaders lives. That's a crime that is far too close to home (no pun intended) and crosses the criminal line into the criminal who wishes death line. I'm not getting all bent out of shape over people getting killed when that's what they accepted might very well happen, but, went ahead anyways. The didn't value their life, and guess what? Neither did the threatened homeowner.

Too bad for them...

Chuck

 

[corwin]

Bullshit this guy showed such a disregard for human life (yeah, they were thieves and I don't care about the first shots as people have a right to defend their homes). However, shooting them dead after they were incapacitated by gunshot was overboard.

Waiting a day to call the police considering the fact that people expect there to be a police shift working even on holidays is even further beyond the pale and you may be right and the guy only gets 5 years.

It would be way too few.

Gonna have to agree with you on this one, first shots were good, methodically executing them after crosses the line, scum or not. Dude is frickin' nuts and needs to be locked up for a while, maybe in an institution.

 

[Retro Rob]

No he showed a disregard for scum. The scum showed a disregard for their own lives, and what they wanted was granted. You don't go invading peoples dwellings without accepting that the risk you're accepting includes being maimed and/or killed. These scum decided to accept that risk and invade anyways. And they got what they accepted.

I'm not willing to punish this guy for going overboard what society thinks is proper, in his own house, after the protection mechanisms society provides failed (schooling, police), and then question his decision to grant what these two scum already accepted.

Don't invade peoples homes. Don't get dead. Seems pretty simple to me....

Chuck

While I don't generally disagree with you, you just can't excecute someone after they're down and unable to continue their "attack" or invasion.

It's clear murder and I would be more than satisfied with proper justice being served for this equally of a scumbag person.

This why I hate guns... to many people find too many ways to "justifiably" murder or kill people.

He wasn't protecting himself -- he wanted to kill someone and basically admitted that.

You're either blind or a stupid jackass to not see that.

 

[sigurros81]

You have probably never had your home broken into or had items stolen from you.
That feeling of violation sticks with you for a very long time, Chucky is right, the perpetrators were nothing but scum that needed to be cleaned.

Good to know you're another one of those moronic sociopaths that will find any excuse to murder people. There are two separate shootings that happened. First was justifiable, second was cold blooded murder.

 

[Darwin333]

In this case, the "reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the premises or motor vehicle." is far more relevant: After the initial justifiable shooting, you cannot claim that executing the disabled burglars was either preventing entry or compelling them to leave.

Again, the fact they were intruders/trespassing/B&Eing doesn't give you a carte blanche on doing whatever you want. Hypothetically jumping on the burglars, tying them up and then stabbing to death wouldn't make it a justifiable homicide per the above either.

I never said any of the above, in fact I have stated quite the opposite by not only saying that he is going to jail but I agree with him going to jail.

You said that you can only shoot people when your life is at risk and when told otherwise you asked for specific law, which I provided for you.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Good to know you're another one of those moronic sociopaths that will find any excuse to murder people. There are two separate shootings that happened. First was justifiable, second was cold blooded murder.

I don't disagree, him executing the perps (the second shooting as it were) is murder.
It doesn't make the two perps not be scum that I don't feel the least bit of sorrow for, though.

 

[Darwin333]

While I don't generally disagree with you, you just can't excecute someone after they're down and unable to continue their "attack" or invasion.

It's clear murder and I would be more than satisfied with proper justice being served for this equally of a scumbag person.

This why I hate guns... to many people find too many ways to "justifiably" murder or kill people.

He wasn't protecting himself -- he wanted to kill someone and basically admitted that.

You're either blind or a stupid jackass to not see that.

Uh oh, we are going to go at it again LOL.

Actually, citizens with concealed carry permits very rarely commit felonies and very rarely use it as an excuse to "justifiably kill someone" that wasn't indeed a grave threat to their life.

Sure you get cases like this, where someone who is batshit crazy does batshit crazy stuff but that is in no way indicative of all gun owners, especially those that have permits to carry (which we can actually get really good data on).

 

[Darwin333]

Ok? Good? I already said he should serve time. I just don't think he should serve massive time. It's not like he drove to a public place and executed two nice Girl Scouts. He was invaded in his house spur of the moment be two potential threats and reacted. If people don't like the reaction from homeowners in these circumstances, then really the solution is simply to not invade those homeowners dwellings and put themselves in such situations.

What am I not getting here?

Chuck

The fact that he drug one of the incapacitated bodies, while she was gasping for air and obviously laying on the ground, put a revolver under her chin and pulled the trigger?

I don't care how much scum a person is, we have a legal system that punishes people for being scum. That was a calculated and cold blooded murder regardless of the "scummyness" of the person he shot. If shooting scum was OK or even simply as trivial as you make it half of ATOT would be dead.

BTW, I almost always side with homeowners in B&E shootings. This however turned into cold blooded murder, you just can't slice it any other way and frankly you don't want to. If the gun community, or even a majority of them, stood up and supported this guy you would see a reversal of the looser gun/self defense laws we enjoy in a lot of states real quick.

 

[NTMBK]

No he showed a disregard for scum. The scum showed a disregard for their own lives, and what they wanted was granted. You don't go invading peoples dwellings without accepting that the risk you're accepting includes being maimed and/or killed. These scum decided to accept that risk and invade anyways. And they got what they accepted.

I'm not willing to punish this guy for going overboard what society thinks is proper, in his own house, after the protection mechanisms society provides failed (schooling, police), and then question his decision to grant what these two scum already accepted.

Don't invade peoples homes. Don't get dead. Seems pretty simple to me....

Chuck

You have probably never had your home broken into or had items stolen from you.
That feeling of violation sticks with you for a very long time, Chucky is right, the perpetrators were nothing but scum that needed to be cleaned.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. What is wrong with you people.

 

[Darwin333]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. What is wrong with you people.

My first guess would be "a lot".....

 

[CrackRabbit]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. What is wrong with you people.

You didn't read my reply to sigurros.