Homeowner executes two burglars

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Londo_Jowo

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A fool of myself on what? If you actually read the thread, I'm talking about the idiots who are cheering on the fact that he executed two people. It's been established from the very beginning of the discussion on page one that there are two separate shootings going on. One was justified because he was defending himself, the second execution style was not. I guess you lack the mental capacity to comprehend anything beyond 5 minutes.

I'm quite aware of what's going on in this thread but it didn't stop you from lumping me in with those who supported the execution of these two people. Had you really been paying attention in this thread you would have seen what my stances were on the subject and not posted at the bottom of your reply to me "fucking idiots...".
 

sigurros81

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I'm quite aware of what's going on in this thread but it didn't stop you from lumping me in with those who supported the execution of these two people. Had you really been paying attention in this thread you would have seen what my stances were on the subject and not posted at the bottom of your reply to me "fucking idiots...".

And thanks for posting a wikipedia article that has zero value to the fact that two people were murdered in cold-blood. So you're also saying besides lacking the proper attention span, you also lack the basic logic to contribute anything tangible to the discussion.
 

Londo_Jowo

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And thanks for posting a wikipedia article that has zero value to the fact that two people were murdered in cold-blood. So you're also saying besides lacking the proper attention span, you also lack the basic logic to contribute anything tangible to the discussion.

I can see you don't remember half of what is posted in here.

They can make up whatever story they want if they're still alive to tell a tale. You'll be liable for their injury and get the !@#$ sued out of you, your life ruined.

Surely you hear of such problems.

My posting of the castle doctrine shows in fact that this has happened enough that lawmakers wrote the laws to protect someone who has shot or killed someone in self defense.
 

Darwin333

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The real bottom line lesson to be learned here is that if you deadly force to defend your property, best know your state's gun laws backward and forwards. Maybe what our Mr. Smith did might pass muster in Florida, but not in Minnesota.

As Minnesota law is nearer the national norm than places like Florida.

Umm no, its murder in all 50 states.
 

Retro Rob

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The broke into HIS HOUSE. If someone breaks into your house you should be able to shoot them and use force, you have no idea how dangerous they could be

Let me put this simpler: two people break into YOUR home. You shoot and disable them both.

You THEN walk to both persons (whom are DOWN ON THE GROUND, no longer threatening you, and are UNARMED) and shoot several more kills shots and don't call the cops.

You see NOTHING wrong with that?
 
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Let me put this simpler: two people break into YOUR home. You shoot and disable them both.

You THEN walk to both persons (whom are DOWN ON THE GROUND) and shoot several more kills shots and don't call the cops.

You see NOTHING wrong with that?

Do you know what that person is capable of, even with 1 bullet in them? Do you know what you hit and what organs they are still able to use?

Do you know if they have their own firearm hidden?

Do you realize how much court/cases/money you are going to have to pay when they attempt to sue you afterwards?

Do you realize how much money you are going to pay as a tax payer for that person to rot in jail for 5 years?


When you think about these questions, you will start to understand why the killing does make some sense.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Texas had an extension added to our Castle Doctrine back in 2007 that allowed for lethal force to stop any felony. I'm still looking for a link to an official website but you can use Google to see it being mentioned in various articles.

As for this case, the homeowner went too far. I understand that he probably wasn't thinking clearly but it's still no excuse for executing someone.


It is correct that here in Texas you can use deadly force to prevent a theft or robbery. But once the criminal activity has been stopped it is certainly not justified to "finish off" the wounded criminals. Even the lenient courts in Texas would rule that as murder.
 

Darwin333

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When you shoot there is only one option, shoot to kill.[/I]

Actually, you shoot to stop the threat. PERIOD. Go tell a cop you "shot to kill" after you shoot someone in self defense and you could very well end up like this guy.

With that said, shooting to stop a threat and shooting to kill involve shooting in the same area, center mass. So even though the result will likely be the same its the intent that matters.

He didn't get it right the first time.

The hell he didn't, he stopped the threat. He got it exactly right.


He got there eventually apparently.

Thats called murder, just like he is being charged with.....

If a burglar is in your house are you going to shoot to "render helpless" or shoot to kill?

Shoot to stop the threat, if they die in the process which is extremely likely considering what I will be shooting and where I will be aiming so be it. However, my intent is to stop the threat not kill. Full stop, end of story.

Intent matters.
 

sigurros81

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I can see you don't remember half of what is posted in here.



My posting of the castle doctrine shows in fact that this has happened enough that lawmakers wrote the laws to protect someone who has shot or killed someone in self defense.

Yeah, I'm still waiting for examples of the Castle Doctrine in practise where it is acceptable to execute your incapacitated victims.

Might as well post a wikipedia link to the Constitution and just cover your bases. Fucking idiot...
 
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Actually, you shoot to stop the threat. PERIOD. Go tell a cop you "shot to kill" after you shoot someone in self defense and you could very well end up like this guy.

Actually, once again - you are incredibly wrong. I can't even read your entire post after something as fuckin stupid as this :hmm:

There is a reason it's called "Use of Deadly Force" and not "Use of POSSIBLY DISABLING THE INDIVIDUAL IN ORDER TO HAVE OFFICERS OF THE LAW ARREST THEM".

It's a gun. Not a tazer. Shut the fuck up and read up on laws before you act as if you know anything.
 

Svnla

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If the burglars are the only party to blame here, meaning only they did something wrong and deserve punishment, you're making an argument for capital punishment for B&E. Simple deductive logic.

The burglars initiated the action (break into people houses) which triggered the consequences (including death).

If the home owner was a good shooter and shot them dead right away, we would not have this discussion. I never said this home owner was a hero but I don't feel sorry for the burglars as "victims".

I am not jumping up and down with joy and happiness about their deaths but I will not lose any sleep about it. Again, don't want to suffer the consequences (including death), don't break into people house. Very simple concept to understand.
 
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Let me put this simpler: two people break into YOUR home. You shoot and disable them both.

You THEN walk to both persons (whom are DOWN ON THE GROUND, no longer threatening you, and are UNARMED) and shoot several more kills shots and don't call the cops.

You see NOTHING wrong with that?

Let me make myself clear I dont necessarily support him but if people break into your home then any force is alright because you have no idea how dangerous they are

They were disabled and he shouldn't have executed them BUT I believe if someone breaks into your house and if you kill them then there should be no charges. They shouldn't be breaking into someones house and this never would have happened. As well what if he shot them and disabled them but they were able to get back up and kill or injure him, then what?

As well what if they were disabled but later were to come back for revenge?

I believe if someone breaks into your house then the homeowner should be able to shoot or kill, people work hard for their homes and shouldn't lose their property.
 

blankslate

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He got there eventually apparently. If a burglar is in your house are you going to shoot to "render helpless" or shoot to kill?

Wow the idiocy is enormous yes you are well within your rights to "shoot to kill" but once they are down and you discover they are alive you call authorities.

Hell you call authorities even if they are shot dead.

You don't walk up to them after they are no longer a threat and deliver the killing blow.

Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm, and Smith told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon. However, Smith's actions weren't justified, Morrison County Sheriff Michel Wetzel said.
"The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody once a threat is gone," he said.


Or maybe you think that the Sheriff just doesn't know what he's talking about.


considering how it happened according to Mr. Smith
Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that "he didn't want to trouble us on a holiday."


In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Brady came into view from the waist down.


After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the face as he lay on the floor.


"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.


Smith said he dragged Brady's body into his basement workshop, then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.


After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver, he dragged her next to Brady. With her still gasping for air, he fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says.


"Smith described it as 'a good clean finishing shot,'" according to the complaint.


Yes you have a right to self defense especially in your home but these actions described by the shooter himself go beyond the pale. Even if only by legal standards.


If you can't see you're either trolling or just dumb.
 
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Retro Rob

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Do you know what that person is capable of, even with 1 bullet in them? Do you know what you hit and what organs they are still able to use?

Doesn't matter, they were down.

Do you know if they have their own firearm hidden?

They didn't pull one out. Next...

Do you realize how much court/cases/money you are going to have to pay when they attempt to sue you afterwards?

Show me proof

Do you realize how much money you are going to pay as a tax payer for that person to rot in jail for 5 years?

Proof and dollar amount.

When you think about these questions, you will start to understand why the killing does make some sense.

When you grow half a brain you will start to understand that you can't just execute people.
 

sigurros81

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You realize that a person can instigate a lawsuit about anything in this country right? It's up to the DA or the Judge to decide whether or not the suit is frivolous or strong enough to be moved forward to trial.

Hell, I can start a lawsuit on Incorruptible for being an idiot, whether or not I'll win the lawsuit is another story.

Again, please tell me how does this article you link about a frivolous lawsuit defend the fact that this guy executed two incapacitated teenagers who broke into his home, in cold blood.

Hell, if I take your argument and run with it, I should start killing people who pisses me off indiscriminately just because they might throw a frivolous lawsuit at me.


For the record the perp was found guilty and his "defense" was rejected immediately by the jury. Nobody believed this guy for one second out here.

Failed google search, try again with a better search that yield a story that better support your claim.
 
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Doesn't matter, they were down.



They didn't pull one out. Next...



Show me proof



Proof and dollar amount.



When you grow half a brain you will start to understand that you can't just execute people.

You need proof for all of those obvious statements? You're not worth the time if you actually have any disagreement with those VERY simple statements


fake edit: And you need them to PULL the gun out for you to shoot them? LULZ. Thats a VERY smart liberal concept, in order to determine if an unauthorized theif breaks into your house, shattering glass - in order to determine if they are going to harm you - you have to actually see him pull out a gun. Otherwise he DEFINITELY doesn't have one :lol: You have great logic - liberal logic - which is having none.
 
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NTMBK

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There is a reason it's called "Use of Deadly Force" and not "Use of POSSIBLY DISABLING THE INDIVIDUAL IN ORDER TO HAVE OFFICERS OF THE LAW ARREST THEM".

Let's focus on the phrase "Use of Deadly Force", shall we? When a law enforcement officer is authorized to use deadly force, they will shoot centre mass, potentially lethal shots at someone who is a threat to them. However, if they shot their target, and their target is lying bleeding on the floor, clearly not a threat, the police do not then drag them through to another room, put a gun under their chin and blow their brains out.
 

CitizenKain

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Actually, once again - you are incredibly wrong. I can't even read your entire post after something as fuckin stupid as this :hmm:

That's what its like for people like me reading your posts, another ignorant rightwing idiot. Go read the article, I don't think there are that many big words in there that you'll stumble over.
 
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Let's focus on the phrase "Use of Deadly Force", shall we? When a law enforcement officer is authorized to use deadly force, they will shoot centre mass, potentially lethal shots at someone who is a threat to them. However, if they shot their target, and their target is lying bleeding on the floor, clearly not a threat, the police do not then drag them through to another room, put a gun under their chin and blow their brains out.


You... just said it... their INTENTIONS, were to KILL. hence "shoot centre mass, potentially lethal shots". My argument was against the dumbass that said you don't shoot to kill.

Not necessarily talking about this particular case, though no one was present at this scene.
 
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That's what its like for people like me reading your posts, another ignorant rightwing idiot. Go read the article, I don't think there are that many big words in there that you'll stumble over.

We're 8 pages into the thread broceritops, I quoted a post that was general use of guns for sense defense - not about this particular case.

So why don't you sit down, get off your false sense of legitimate argument and go have a popsicle, okay brochacho?
 
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